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[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

As long as you're in it and seeing what I and others in game see, more or less.

I don't know who said it could be considered prep for comp season or whatever but after a scrim it is not that to be certain, this is way more all over the place and frankly EASIER, but so much more disorganized. The one thing I notice is that in 12v12 it seemed you could get ENOUGH people on board with a basic idea of "we are doing this" that "this" happened occasionally. That is much rarer in 8v8 and it moves fast enough that once lead starts flying all bets are off.

I do think people should take a stab at comp for rewards though BECAUSE it is different and it is a good learning experience just from the Discord.

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 09 August 2025 - 11:00 PM.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

No more.

I'm done with this. You can have the queue, my experience has been profoundly terrible.

I slogged through it way past the "not enjoyable" mark for SP and CBills and hit my limit. Not worth it. Sure hope they got some kind of valuable metric from this because my God.

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 10 August 2025 - 01:01 AM.

[Nikushimi]

CallMeCombine, on 09 August 2025 - 01:14 PM, said:

3000 hour top 100 light mech pilot

You do realize Jarls exists and we can all see it right?

[Ballistic Panicmode]

AnUndeadMonkey, on 09 August 2025 - 03:24 PM, said:

8v8 is trash.... just open up the pointless ranking system. delete skirmish and bring back escort. game is dead. why make a change to make it worse. keep groups with groups and solo with solo.

I'm sure I'll get some hate for bringing this up, but The Queues weren't merged because QP was having problems. They were merged because group Queue was taking too long to generate matches. I have a long memory.

[1453 R]

They don't care. All the nasty grouchy sorts that demand anyone with friends be cordoned off into Punishment Queue forever could not care less that it'd take over an hour for grouped players to find a game - if they ever actually do. They just want groups gone forever, so they can then move on to blaming their constant losses on the next thing they falsely accuse of Ruining The Game Forever(C) to avoid having to face down the fact that they suck and are not, in fact, That Guy.

[Arborash666]

Hello Mwo-Team and Community!

I am sorry, but i have to say, i am not happy with this 8 vs 8, none my friends/group or the chat before the matches.

Playing makes less fun. The maps are big enough for 12 players. but with 8 eyes/sensores, it is way more difficult to overwatch the map, making it very hard in random groups/quickplay to play mechs, focussed on teamplay and positioning like lrm-boats or assaults, which cant move/change their position fast enough.

Also it seems therw are more stomps now, than the last weeks 12 vs 12. There is less crossfire or teammates, saving you or giving you time to move out.

If 8 vs 8 should stay, it is only good for light and medium mechs, which can profit from better hide&attack.

So please go bach to 12 vs 12. We tried it out and now are realy disapointed from Mwo. No idea if we play again for the next days or wait until this experiment is over.
Normaly we play Mwo as a group of friends 2-4 evenings a week.

Kind regards

[Void Angel]

Nikushimi, on 10 August 2025 - 12:50 AM, said:

You do realize Jarls exists and we can all see it right?

Nonnono! He explained that away when he said that he just "takes long breaks." So he's really super-good, and he's just out of practice! Whenever you check his stats. Or see him in matches...

[UMPA Viper]

martian, on 01 August 2025 - 09:55 PM, said:

Cauldron and PGI boosting massively the influence of premades in the game ... I am shocked. Actually, I am not.

LOL

By the way, I can tell you one reason why " search times have been trending upwards" .

It is because of that stupid two phase Summer Loot bags event. Since the damage that I might do now would not count towards the Phase 02 damage goal, it is pointless for me to keep playing. Essentially, my efforts would be wasted. The only logical course of action is to ignore MWO for the next three weeks and start playing again AFTER that useless Phase 02 begins. I guess I am not alone who understands this simple principle.

And do you know what really smart players do? They have been ignoring MWO right from the start for the entire July and the most of August, waiting for that useless Phase 02 to begin, so both their Match Score and damage really count.

This entire problem is really a problem of your own making.

We agree with you Martian. Our group , along with a bunch of others we know , will be ignoring MWO due to this ridiculous change until its over. Hope they gain some valuable incite on what not to do. Im guessing they are testing the waters for a permanent change in the future due to the select few who wants 8v8 as a mainstay. Just my guess.

[UMPA Viper]

1453 R, on 04 August 2025 - 07:08 AM, said:

Why is everyone always so utterly freaking ***mad over 8v8?

8v8 is categorically, inarguably, objectively a better game than 12v12, whichever way you split it. There's a reason comps have always played 8v8. Fewer guns means higher time to kill (a thing everybody claims to want) and way more room to make interesting plays or survive and learn from unforced errors. Individual efforts and ability matters far more, Murderballing is noticeably less effective (this is an undeniable positive), and each player contributes more completely to the outcome of the match. And if any of that bothers you then consider trying a little harder, rather than drinking three PBRs and smoking a joint prior to every drop of MWO. This is 'The Thinking Man's Shooter' after all, not the "Get liquored out the wazoo and see if I can tell which of the three blurred Atlases on my screen is real" shooter.

Quit demanding you get carried and start holding yourself to task when you get knocked out at sub-200 damage. Frankly the game should never have made the jump to 12v12, I honestly believe that mistake is a significant silent contributor to MWO's overall decline over the years.

LOL , funny. Thats your opinion , and your entitled to it. But thats all it is , is a opinion. "inarguably" LOL.

[UMPA Viper]

Just got caught up reading this entire post. Anyone else here notice how utterly alone 1453 R is on that tiny little island of his ? He is adamantly defending his opinion on this 8v8 , ranting many, many times on this post about it. Take a look at the majority of his posts. It may take you awhile though , lol. Hardly anyone has liked them. Shouldn't that tell him that he is in the extreme minority here and that his opinion is of the very, very few ?

[Sunnyalex]

I don't know about the other option, but 8 vs 8 is no fun somehow. Please return to 12 vs 12.

[CallMeCombine]

Nikushimi, on 10 August 2025 - 12:50 AM, said:

You do realize Jarls exists and we can all see it right?

My apologies original gangsters, I have steam and I have the in-game leaderboards that I check from time to time. Per usual there are levels to this that I am blind to.

I appreciate the clowning. I had little knowledge that jarls list was the end of the line- neat website!

my points remain, as a layman, with misinformation and miscommunication galore.

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My solo drops yesterday were not good, and my numbers weren't terrible so even though I'm doing ok solo play doesn't feel that fun.

After dropping with 2 of my friends and making the third in our group suck an egg we found the matches extremely unfun, and after 6 drops or so opted to play some megamek instead!

[1453 R]

UMPA Viper, on 10 August 2025 - 09:10 AM, said:

Just got caught up reading this entire post. Anyone else here notice how utterly alone 1453 R is on that tiny little island of his ? He is adamantly defending his opinion on this 8v8 , ranting many, many times on this post about it. Take a look at the majority of his posts. It may take you awhile though , lol. Hardly anyone has liked them. Shouldn't that tell him that he is in the extreme minority here and that his opinion is of the very, very few ?

Says right in my signature I'm a trans woman. Tiny little island of hers, thank you kindly.

And to your whole "(s)he is a tiny bitty minority and should shut up and let us all get back to circle jerking behind our favorite rock in our favorite Bane being bad and useless" business, I respond:

Most of you are brand newbies who've either never posted before in your lives, or only done so a miniscule handful of times before. You are - or were - part of the Silent Majority who simply plays the game and never says a dang word. A small handful of you hate 8v8 enough to break your silence. All the people who like 8v8, or don't care one way or another? They're simply playing the game, not posting. Forum posts are a poor metric of overall player numbers as this place is heavily skewed both Tier 1 players and also the game's biggest complaint monkeys. I'm posting because this weekend has been occupied with other things I can't do while in MWO, though I've gotten a number of matches in regardless.

The actual stats will tell, once the event is finished. But in the interim, pleease. Do continue complaining about how there's not five other pointless terrible LRM Banes to hide your pointless terrible LRM Bane behind while calling your mooching off the allies saddled with your big meme boat anchor of a 'Mech "teamplay." I'm sure the blues on your team love watching one of their big anchor assault 'Mechs be absolutely terrified of any other 'Mech coming within eight hundred meters of your paint job.

See? I can be a nasty jerk, too. Next time, don't poke me.

[CallMeCombine]

If it was fun I'd hop on here and beg to keep it .. I'm hopeful teams of 4 will drastically change the landscape, I'd like to play with my full group again!

[TestBacon]

I just recalled that August last year we had a prior 8v8 "event". IIRC it was as poorly received as this time's event. Did we learn nothing?

[Void Angel]

The reason people hate 8v8 is partly because every 'mech and weapon is tuned for 12v12, and partly just failure to adapt. But if wait times are getting higher, there's two options: bite the bullet and rebalance literally everything for 8v8, or let the game die in 12v12. Which option is best depends on which will better extend the lifetime of the game - 8v8 trial periods are attempts to gain information about that, forum tantrums and all.

If you haven't figured that out yet, well then, no - "we" haven't learned anything at all.

[UMPA Viper]

1453 R, on 10 August 2025 - 10:34 AM, said:

Says right in my signature I'm a trans woman. Tiny little island of hers, thank you kindly.

And to your whole "(s)he is a tiny bitty minority and should shut up and let us all get back to circle jerking behind our favorite rock in our favorite Bane being bad and useless" business, I respond:

Most of you are brand newbies who've either never posted before in your lives, or only done so a miniscule handful of times before. You are - or were - part of the Silent Majority who simply plays the game and never says a dang word. A small handful of you hate 8v8 enough to break your silence. All the people who like 8v8, or don't care one way or another? They're simply playing the game, not posting. Forum posts are a poor metric of overall player numbers as this place is heavily skewed both Tier 1 players and also the game's biggest complaint monkeys. I'm posting because this weekend has been occupied with other things I can't do while in MWO, though I've gotten a number of matches in regardless.

The actual stats will tell, once the event is finished. But in the interim, pleease. Do continue complaining about how there's not five other pointless terrible LRM Banes to hide your pointless terrible LRM Bane behind while calling your mooching off the allies saddled with your big meme boat anchor of a 'Mech "teamplay." I'm sure the blues on your team love watching one of their big anchor assault 'Mechs be absolutely terrified of any other 'Mech coming within eight hundred meters of your paint job.

See? I can be a nasty jerk, too. Next time, don't poke me.

LOL , expected nothing less than that response from someone with your maturity. Just go pout in the corner now please since the majority of people here disagree with you.

[W4R GOD]

8 v 8 sucks on big maps and with groups. Go back please.

[Void Angel]

UMPA Viper, on 10 August 2025 - 01:19 PM, said:

LOL , expected nothing less than that response from someone with your maturity. Just go pout in the corner now please since the majority of people here disagree with you.

"There are half-dozens of us! Half-Dozens!"

[TestBacon]

Void Angel, on 10 August 2025 - 12:58 PM, said:

The reason people hate 8v8 is partly because every 'mech and weapon is tuned for 12v12, and partly just failure to adapt. But if wait times are getting higher, there's two options: bite the bullet and rebalance literally everything for 8v8, or let the game die in 12v12. Which option is best depends on which will better extend the lifetime of the game - 8v8 trial periods are attempts to gain information about that, forum tantrums and all.

If you haven't figured that out yet, well then, no - "we" haven't learned anything at all.

How many different ways of hitting your thumb with a hammer does it take to have a useful sample size?