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Dihm, on 10 January 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:
It appears to be just a couple Smoke Jaguars who take a skewed view of the source material, don't worry too much. The sourcebooks are canon.
Awwww do not be hating Dihm. I agree the sourcebooks are canon, I just agree that there are things in them that were not storyline true but canon true (yeah wrap your brain around that)
Also I just like to present the other side.
Commraid, on 10 January 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:
Hmm I was hoping for enlightenment but it looks like most people cant agree on the true backstory... not a good start.
I guess I will just have to read and make up my own opinion for myself
I guess I will just have to read and make up my own opinion for myself
Sorry for mucking up your thread but when these guys started posting with a serious IS slant something had to be done...it is up to the Clans to save this thread!
Anyway your comment is really the best, read them all and then form your own opinion, it is the most sage thing to do. Plus then you really feel like the universe is yours.
Starne, on 10 January 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:
To the OP, welcome to Battletech. I hope you brought a flame-retardant suit, because things can get a little heated.
Clans, especially Smoke Jaguar, honorable? Seriously? The Clanners are nothing but a bunch of Neo-Facist Nietzsche Wannabes. The Jaguars are among the worst, their leaders are simply a bunch of blood-thirsty war-mongers. The clan's 'great leader' Leo Showers was directly responsible for orchestrating the Clan invasion of the Inner Sphere and is also directly and indirectly responsible for god knows how many deaths, and for what? The only sad thing about his death was that a far better person had to die to kill him.
Keep raving about how much 'better' and 'more honorable' the Clans are. Go ahead. It's clear nothing I nor anyone else can or will say will change your mind.
The facts are these: The Clans practice eugenics(great big red flag here, folks). In Clan culture, if you are'nt a 'Trueborn' warrior, you are undeserving of having a surname to remember your family and heritage by. The Clans claim moral superiority by not fighting wars, instead they practice a twisted bloodsport that has killed countless numbers of their own. The Clans knowingly disregard tactics and strategies that can and have brought swift and desicive victory.
In short: Clans are the kind of aberation the Nazis would be proud of(oh yeah, I went there.). 'Superior' 'Trueborn' 'Warriors' are worthy of nothing but my contempt. I have pity and sympathy for the people oppressed by Clan society, but unfortunately, like any good facist society, there is stockholm-syndrome on such a massive scale among these people that there is'nt much that can be done for them.
Clans, especially Smoke Jaguar, honorable? Seriously? The Clanners are nothing but a bunch of Neo-Facist Nietzsche Wannabes. The Jaguars are among the worst, their leaders are simply a bunch of blood-thirsty war-mongers. The clan's 'great leader' Leo Showers was directly responsible for orchestrating the Clan invasion of the Inner Sphere and is also directly and indirectly responsible for god knows how many deaths, and for what? The only sad thing about his death was that a far better person had to die to kill him.
Keep raving about how much 'better' and 'more honorable' the Clans are. Go ahead. It's clear nothing I nor anyone else can or will say will change your mind.
The facts are these: The Clans practice eugenics(great big red flag here, folks). In Clan culture, if you are'nt a 'Trueborn' warrior, you are undeserving of having a surname to remember your family and heritage by. The Clans claim moral superiority by not fighting wars, instead they practice a twisted bloodsport that has killed countless numbers of their own. The Clans knowingly disregard tactics and strategies that can and have brought swift and desicive victory.
In short: Clans are the kind of aberation the Nazis would be proud of(oh yeah, I went there.). 'Superior' 'Trueborn' 'Warriors' are worthy of nothing but my contempt. I have pity and sympathy for the people oppressed by Clan society, but unfortunately, like any good facist society, there is stockholm-syndrome on such a massive scale among these people that there is'nt much that can be done for them.
As for YOU!
Clan Smoke Jaguar is one of the more honorable clans, but you measure honor differently, we measure in waste and tradition...you measure in...well I cannot say but I am sure it is different. But believe it or not the reason the clans invaded was not only to fulfill our promise but to liberate the people of the Star League from the sham governments that pretend to work for their benefit.
That is all I will say as I am pretty sure you are a lost cause, just wanted you to know that I saw it and was not trying to subtly dodge it. I am just downright ignoring it. Oh and by the way vehement responses like yours are what we anticipated in our invasion which is why we needed to invade...it is not like we were going to convince you to stop behaving like feudal empires. It needed to be beat out of you and your people.
