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#321 dal10

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:53 AM

is my second one better? it is in the realm of possiblity. and i can downgrade to standard myomers if necessary. i just thought it would be fun. and i would point out that surgical TSM is canon though jihad era. it is entirely possible it exists today.

View PostRogueSpear, on 02 August 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:



EDIT: Also, what's with the spiders and handing them off to Kazzen? You've gone back in time, left the first bar, gone to a location where he's already said he's left in a 'masterful escape' and then handed a bunch of macguffins to him. You gotta pay attention to other's posts and check what's going on before you post. Also, why would you give him a bunch of rare toys? Why do you have the rare toys? What are the rare toys? Why do you need to have a small armoury with you at all times? Dirk's a mad scientist, but even he leaves his toys at home.
Also, can you work on your grammar? Use capitals, break up walls of text into paragraphs, all that kind of stuff. I'm a bit of a grammar nazi and that stuff causes me pain. So when I saw your edited down WoT was still a godmode fight, I pretty much ignored that entire post because it was hard to read and I already knew the outcome.


not really. my character was a kendo champ in his bio. and he didn't exactly win the whole fight. i kinda was losing that last fight though i never said it. i will rectify.

edit: i broke up the textwall into paragraphs at what i thought of as logical points. i pointed out that i was losing to the last guy. and the first guy was not really god-mode. the dude was in more low to the ground stance while running. it is not god mode if i jump 4 feet in the air with my knees tucked when my character is over 6 feet tall...

Edited by dal10, 02 August 2012 - 07:59 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:01 AM

Well I saw 5 guys were after you including one you didn't see, knew you would survive, read the somersault with stab in back maneuver and knew it was going to be a bit ridiculous, skipped to the bit where you were getting cyborged and just ignored the rest.
Also, TSM does not exist. At all, at this point. Prototypes were developed by the Davies during the fourth succession war - and they didn't work properly. They were 'leaked' to the CC to allow the Davies to butcher a regiment because the strands were reactant to a few gases - violently reactive. The 1st Kathil Uhlans fogged the battlefield with one of the gases, and the Capellan mechs exploded.
Also, this is pre clan invasion, cybernetics in the Inner Sphere is very low tech. And for rich, very rich people only. Not random guys who got mugged on the street. The average doctor doesn't decide to prototype a Manei Domini at extreme cost to himself with materials that don't exist.
I also note you did not address any other part of my post.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:03 AM

and that was 16 years ago. these easily could combust in the presence of that gas. and i did point out it was an experiment. and i did point out that if you guys wanted i would down them to standard myomer.

this might be a bit out of the ordinary but is not really that over the top. it is not anymore unlikely than dirk finding a mech that has not been in production since the star league fell after the third succession war.

Edited by dal10, 02 August 2012 - 08:07 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:07 AM

Standard Myomer is still not at the stage that it can be implanted in humans - If I recall correctly, the clans brought that technology to the Sphere. But yeah, you know what? Sure. Go with the 'I explode when around green gas' stuff. I guarantee Dirk will be using a lot of it. I don't know why yet, but he will :lol:

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:11 AM

What the hell is green Gas ?
*Weed comes to my mind* Dafak ? :lol:

#326 RogueSpear

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:14 AM

The gas that the Davies used to cause a regiment of prototype TSM Capellan mechs to explode was green.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:16 AM

View Postdal10, on 02 August 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

this might be a bit out of the ordinary but is not really that over the top. it is not anymore unlikely than dirk finding a mech that has not been in production since the star league fell after the third succession war.


The difference is that how Dirk found the mech is explained in a relatively plausible and logical manner and his character in general has significant flaws to balance some above average talents.

I.e. he is a good mechanic, but socially awkward and he is not an amazing fighter(hell in the first 3 pages he has been saved twice from being beaten by completely random NPCS).

Dal at least from an outside perspective just comes off as over the top.

He is an anemic master kung-fu fighter, hacker and mech pilot. Who somehow defeats hordes of enemies and manages to remain undetected despite dressing in a manner that screams "suspicious person." He also survives ridiculous amounts of damage and is some sort of half cyborg when the technology should barely exist. Then he also manages to carry a duffel filled to the brim with "special" things.

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What I am trying to say is that occasionally yes, one can in an RP to do things that are not 100% realistic or possible, but it requires that you do so in a manner that seems believable. (i.e. that I as the reader think, sure, this could happen even if in real life it probably would not). It is one of the most important principles in fiction, suspension of disbelief.

(I hope no one takes offense at this post, but I felt it necessary to broach the subject.)

Edited by Vodkavaiator, 02 August 2012 - 08:24 AM.


#328 dal10

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:17 AM

View PostRogueSpear, on 02 August 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

Standard Myomer is still not at the stage that it can be implanted in humans - If I recall correctly, the clans brought that technology to the Sphere. But yeah, you know what? Sure. Go with the 'I explode when around green gas' stuff. I guarantee Dirk will be using a lot of it. I don't know why yet, but he will :lol:


i would point out that candace liao had myomer implanted to rebuild her pectoral muscles prior to the clan invasion due to breast cancer, by NAIS medical personnel. surgical myomer must be laced with real muscle to be effective. and it is stated in Lost destiny (i think. i know this is stated in one of the 3 but i can't remember which one), the third book of the legacy of kerensky trilogy, that deidre is aware that surgical myomer has been used to treat battlefield and civilian injuries. this is before clantech has gotten any real hold in the IS. as for the gas as long as the muscle is still inside my body it would not be exposed the gas. as for kazzen. he escaped from the previous bar some unspecified time after we left. and he stated that he was looking for where we went. as i was walking out of the cold shoulder i saw him, told him where we were, then handed him the first thing i grabbed out of the belt of random things i have. which is in my bio.

sorry if i am being a ***** about this, but you guys fluffed yours and are ******** about mine. my character may be a bit better than most but he is well within the realm of possibility. especially since we are all supposed to be better than normal mercs.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:19 AM

Green gas. You don´t know how stupid that sounds :lol:


And implants ... i used one on my other char in the Solaris RP, but those where only Leg prostetics.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:25 AM

vodka, i am just trying to point out that my character may have a couple of unusual advantages, but most of those have significant drawbacks. for example if i run tsm there is a chance one of my bones would break (gms decision if he wants to throw that curveball). my character is also shy by nature and doesn't have any premade friends on this mission. fighting and to a degree hacking is all he is really good at. he is unused to working with others and has been on the run for 4 months that he can remember and even more that he can't. so can you guys please try and cut me some slack. i am not like you guys and am 20-30 or however many rps you guys have done. this is literally my first serious one. we are all supposed to be badasses to some degree or another. my guy can hand to hand or blade to blade extremely well, but he is a poor shot outside a mech. he doesn't know anything about placing explosives and is not that great at repairing things. he knows just enough to keep his battlemech operational. if that isn't enough drawbacks then i don't know what is...

edit: to go with what chaos said about only having partial implants, my guy is running pecs, abdomen and upper arms with extremely limited on his shoulders.

Edited by dal10, 02 August 2012 - 08:29 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:28 AM

View Postdal10, on 02 August 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

sorry if i am being a ***** about this, but you guys fluffed yours and are ******** about mine. my character may be a bit better than most but he is well within the realm of possibility. especially since we are all supposed to be better than normal mercs.


Unfortunately, I think this is where we disagree, that is exactly what I am saying Dal10 is not.

Of course most of the characters here are at the very least above average, but it has up to this point been somewhat believable.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:54 AM

things that are unusual about dal10 considering i am already ignoring his bio for the most part (amnesia): tsm myomers which i offered to down to standard. above average fighting skills (weakened since his injuries}, extreme proficiency with a blade (kendo champion at sun zhuang academy, if i am not at least pretty good what is the point)

other peoples unusual stuff: heleopolis mech (my point still stands about the odds of finding one 300-400 years after almost all of them had been scrapped is still near 0 and parts for it would be ridiculously expensive.) a brother that can throw a 200 pound guy like he is nothing (guardian's character was 200 pounds and his brother bubba threw him) a battlemaster with jump jets...(what are the odds a freelancer could afford to do a custom job like that. would be cheaper to get a new battlemaster than to do all the structural modifications necessary.) kazzen's bodysuit. from the sound of it it would have to be sealed in order for the radio-like voice to be necessary which means it would have to have a power source to cycle air. not practical to wear all the time as life support for a suit small enough to be unnoticed would be conspicuously big.
as for the little spider thing i have a belt full of random stuff that might be useful.

also see 9/11 for people surviving getting a building dropped on top of them. 19 people survived. some with injuries worse than the ones i described. and that building was a hell of a lot bigger than the warehouse that got dropped on my character. unlikely that dal10 survived. but well within the realm of possiblity.

Edited by dal10, 02 August 2012 - 08:58 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:03 AM

Even with my limited BT-Lore i say that not all of your implants are legid.
Sure, i´m not the righ one when it comes to decide if you´re op or not but i´d say .. well , i won´t say anything :lol:
It´s not my char, but yeah.

It would be better for all of us if noone would overdo it.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:03 AM

I was unaware of myomer being used in humans before the clan invasion, since I know the clans brought a lot of medtech advances with them, I assumed it was one of the ones the brought. My bad!

Dirk found a pre-succession war mech buried under a landslide (which wouldn't do much damage to a tank in modern day nevermind battletech armour types!) but it then took him three years to get it to the point at which he could test it. He didn't find a hugely expensive mech that he received for free over 20 years before it was invented. Additionally, TSM was only fit for use in battlemechs at that point, it was probably a few more years before it was suitable for use in humans. So for no reason, you've received a very extensive surgery for no cost, in a public hospital, where they armoured your body (I don't think many hospitals do that) and gave you special ops level wargear over 20 years before it would be possible to do so.
I don't mean to rag on your character, but I've been worried since your bio went up that you're very quickly going to eclipse everyone else because your bio was full of so many things that for an ordinary man would have taken three or four lifetimes to learn how to do and had very extensive gear. Your first post in the RP was pretty okay apart from terrifying everything that lay eyes on you and being a focus of attention - because anyone undercover would be trying to avoid doing that. But from there it's been escalating to the ridiculous edge of things. I don't mind if everyone has a tremendously OP character, but when everyone else is playing...actually the best way I can see to put this is this:
Average merc: Level 5
The Party: Level 6-10
Dai10: Level 30.

Your character is several power levels ahead of us, with all the gear that entails. Which can to a point work - if you stay in the background and use the advanced abilities and gear as rarely as possible. In the RL RP I'm running, I have my level 9 Techpriest in with my level 4 players. I have just shy of 5x their experience points. But I keep him out of the way, in the background. Nearby or off controlling something. So if they need him, he can show up guns blazing, but otherwise, they're left to their own devices. If you want to play Dai10 as a behind the scenes enabler, it's a lot easier to overlook a lot of his more ridiculous points. But you want to play him as a main character, leading the vanguard with the rest of us, and that's going to get very boring, very fast for the rest of us. Everyone wants to be a badass, but no level 10 can be a badass around a level 30.
The key to good RPing is maintaining a balance. What does the party need? Where are we weak? What advances can I get that suit the party? But the one thing the party rarely needs is one guy who can solo the entire campaign without breaking a sweat, but brought the other players because he enjoys their company. Believe it or not, we're genuinely trying to help you out here. From your posts, it's clear you've got a good imagination and if you can sort out your grammar issues (:lol:) you'd be pretty good at getting it down on paper/screen too. The problem is you don't see the lines between normal/above normal/elite/master/god. Most of the party is in the above normal bracket, with a couple edging into elite. For myself, I'd put Dirk in the above normal bracket. Yeah, he's a mad genius, but he doesn't actually have the resources to indulge it or the focus to be able to fly down a path for too long, and at best is an average fighter - in a mech. In personal combat, he's nearly worse than useless. Plus, he's a bit of a coward.
Dai10 has no major weaknesses. 'Partial Amnesia' is not a weakness. It's carte blanche to remember whatever you want whenever it's convenient. Example: You say Dai10 has no memory of his past, but is aware of it. Initially I read that as 'Dai10 is aware that he did something to **** someone off, and they want him dead. He has no idea who or why.' But after your last post my interpretation became 'Dai10 remembers the exact events of the last time assassins came for him and why they did and what happened to him. However he cannot remember the colour of his underwear that day.' And his partial amnesia is supposed to counter for extreme prowess in martial arts in multiple forms of hand to hand combat and blade combat, marksman skills, battlemech piloting skills, battlemech hacking skills, hacking skills, stealth...hell the list goes on. In your background you managed to infiltrate the palace of the coordinator and hack through the most advanced firewall in the DC to steal a tonne of files off his laptop and remain undetected while doing so, and get out undetected. That would easily put you in the master bracket if all you were was a computer hacker working for DEST/ISF/LOKI/Similar. Adding anything else to that puts you in the god bracket, and you did a lot of adding <_<

As for your points on Dirk finding the Helepolis, the odds are low, but explainable. As for Guardian...well suffice to say if you check threads like the OOC: Solaris RP thread, you'll see we've had plenty of these conversations with him in the past. As for Kazzen's bodysuit, who said it was fully sealed? The stormtroopers in Star Wars have internal mikes and external speakers in their helmets - because an armoured helmet will muffle your voice without augmentation. They have a voice distorter on the speaker to help add to the 'faceless' aspect for intimidation purposes and also stop a trooper's voice being identified.

For custom mechs, anyone with the C-bills scraped together can get anything put together on Solaris or Outreach. And it wouldn't be *that* expensive either. A salvaged commando in decent shape would easily pull together enough funds to get jump jets added to a battlemaster.
The Quartet also has several modifications, because we're a merc unit that's been around five years and have a decent tech crew. Being borderline (and former) pirates, we know where to go for facilities. And, we have a salvage crew to acquire us assets to fund to buy what we need!

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:20 AM

hum, i guess my char may be a bit too rich with all i planned for her :/ Custom Battlesuit for her for her mech :lol:

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:25 AM

Oh, I meant to mention that to you CG, most mechs run very hot, so most pilots wear underwear and a cooling vest, to stop them overheating and getting heat stroke or similar.
Of course, I have a character that goes in with a lightly armoured bodyglove with a cooling vest built into the inside of the torso section. He's a a redundancy guy and does not see the need to sit naked in a cockpit waiting for spalling to shred an artery!

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:27 AM

you do realize that you would have to do a complete overhaul of the structure of mech to add a change like that? that isn't something you do in a repair shop. that is something you do in a factory. that takes more than a commando worth of c-bills. not only would you have to reinforce the mount points for the jump jets, you would have to have a design team decide exactly where to put them to balance the thrust modules, you would have to redesign the knee joints to handle repeated stress from jumping, ditto with the hips and ankle joints. you would to redistribute the weight necessary to reinforce the points from elsewhere. you would have to move stuff around inside the torso to make room. like i said, it would be cheaper to build a new battlemaster than to modify one like that.

i got a small plate on my chest, that was put there to help reinforce my sternum while it was healing. oh no. if you want i will drop to standard myomer, which i will point out i have offered repeatedly and everyone just kept ******** about tsm which i put in cause i thought it would be kinda funny. and the whole story of the last attempt on my life was through a security camera. which i forgot to add to the second time i wrote my the assassination attempt(first time i flat out admit i overdid. my fault). my character is good at hand to hand and great sword to sword. he is practically useless in a gunfight. he is decent in a mech, though more at piloting than gunnery, don't expect me to start sniping. all of these i have iterated more than once. and you guys have just kept going on about how he is godlike.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:27 AM

I'm rather curious which bracket RogueSpear would toss me into! And I agree with him, the textwall of ungrammarized (is that even a word? LOL) RP makes me want to seppuku with a spork.

Also, I did mention Keed is really good at tinkering 'Mechs, so I was thinking he probably did most of the custom job himself? He did make money selling stolen 'Mechs and parts, so he could have easily gotten the pieces he added to the BattleMaster by buying them or not selling those he stole.

Edited by Rasengetsu, 02 August 2012 - 09:33 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:29 AM

View Postdal10, on 02 August 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

i will say that he actually did die a few times on the table.and that metal plate won't stop much more than a light pistol round though it is excessive.

i think i will rewrite it to make it less demigod like.

also did you know that movies containing bruce lee actually had the fight scenes slowed down because he blurred on camera? and only the snipers were assassins. the rest was just hired muscle.

http://answers.yahoo...14170655AAfshHg

http://www.mishalov.com/Sakai.html

the second link a guy took a 50 cal to the face and survived.

you could survive a shot if you were lucky. also note that takashi kurita was in his 80's and took out numerous isf (i think. not sure if they were isf or dest maybe both) agents with a sword that he took from michi kotetsuna. those guys were trained to fight with a blade. this is just the galatea class mercs i am talking about. some might be good but most would be street fight level. if someone has training with his hands and a blade they could take out them easily.

edit: note if i overdo it just tell me. i have a natural tendency to overwrite stuff. i am trying to compensate but i have trouble doing so.

if memory serves they were ISF

Edited by Thom Frankfurt, 02 August 2012 - 09:38 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:33 AM

the question is does ISF commandos mean dest? cause i checked the thing and it said dest was part of the isf.





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