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[optimal pain]

Samuikaze, on 01 August 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Your thoughts people?

Thoughts:

1) You've spent too much time in EvE.

2) You're giving griefers too much credit. EvE was brought to its knees buy incompetent management and lacking game design.

[The East is Burning Red]

optimal pain, on 03 August 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

2) You're giving griefers too much credit. EvE was brought to its knees buy incompetent management and lacking game design.

Uh EVE actually has more subscribers than ever? Is "critically successful money-printing machine" your definition of brought to its knees?

[Halfinax]

OMCTonto, on 03 August 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

All I have to say is: I have been piloting a mech for the better part of 15 years, longer if you count tabletop. So come on over Goons and greifers. I will stomp a mud hole in you, and walk it dry, as will many, MANY other well skilled mech pilots.

A mere 15 years?! You are a newb aren't you? As to the whole "exploitation of game mechanics:" We are guilty, but in the long run it improves the game. The challenge we bring to devs and the playerbase inexhaustibly raises the level of both coding and the skill of most players. We work within the games rules, as opposed to outside of them, regardless of what others would suggest. We don't care what a given community thinks of us, and as The Mittani said in "No Guts, No Galaxy" podcast #36 we do in-fact feed off of our infamy in the gaming community as a whole.

We take great pride in being despised. Just look at the chaos we sowed because one of our members DARED to make a well thought out and comprehensive thread regarding his thoughts on how Community Warfare should work after the Devs announced they would delay CW till after launch. Mind you it was the community as a whole and not us Goons that wrought this drama. We simply responded, and the tears you have brought have been delicious indeed.

Long live Goonswarm, Long live his Majesty The Mittani, and all that he stands for.

[optimal pain]

The East is Burning Red, on 03 August 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Uh EVE actually has more subscribers than ever? Is "critically successful money-printing machine" your definition of brought to its knees?

A goon fanboi? Now that's something new. More than ever as in "it was 41,000 concurrent users online, now it's 42,000"? I left it 3 years ago online was around 38,000. And it still can't break 50k consistently since that time.

Are you sure you weren't referring to WoT or something?

Edited by optimal pain, 03 August 2012 - 05:42 PM.

[The East is Burning Red]

optimal pain, on 03 August 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

A goon fanboi? Now that's something new. More than ever as in "it was 41,000 concurrent users online, now it's 42,000"? I left it 3 years ago online was around 38,000. And it still can't break 50k consistently since that time.

Are you sure you weren't referring to WoT or something?

450,000 active accounts. Up 50% from when you quit. Correlation???

Edited by The East is Burning Red, 03 August 2012 - 05:51 PM.

[Shad0wsFury]

EVE is doing just fine really. Goons aren't exclusive to EVE either. I'm quite sure there are already goons running around in MWO (The Mittani apparently has checked out the beta from what I hear v0v). Will they grief in MWO? Sure, probably. Will it matter? I doubt it.

MWO has one very important thing going for it, and that is the fans of the old school tabletop and mechwarrior (both the pen and paper and video game versions). EVE, as awesome as it is, has no such devoted following because it was a new IP, and could not have the history behind it like MWO does.

PS. CCP is giving mining barges tanks like battleships instead of like cruisers or frigates. It sounds like you might be happy about this change.

[optimal pain]

The East is Burning Red, on 03 August 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

450,000 active accounts. Up 50% from when you quit. Correlation???

So let us see what we got here:

- "active" subscriber amount doubled;
- average concurrent online stayed roughly the same.


Yeah, EvE is doing just great...

...making it's average "active subscriber" spend 2 times less time *in the game* than 3 years ago. Nice trend for sure.


Let me reiterate once again for clarity, this has nothing to do with griefing. It's because that game is *boring as hell* in most (not all) of its aspects because of incredibly incompetent and low-quality gameplay design.

[The East is Burning Red]

optimal pain, on 03 August 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Let me reiterate once again for clarity, this has nothing to do with griefing. It's because that game is *boring as hell* in most (not all) of its aspects because of incredibly incompetent and low-quality gameplay design.

Fair enough.

[Hooperinius]

Shad0wsFury, on 03 August 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

EVE is doing just fine really.  Goons aren't exclusive to EVE either.  I'm quite sure there are already goons running around in MWO (The Mittani apparently has checked out the beta from what I hear v0v).  Will they grief in MWO?  Sure, probably.  Will it matter?  I doubt it.

MWO has one very important thing going for it, and that is the fans of the old school tabletop and mechwarrior (both the pen and paper and video game versions).  EVE, as awesome as it is, has no such devoted following because it was a new IP, and could not have the history behind it like MWO does.

PS.  CCP is giving mining barges tanks like battleships instead of like cruisers or frigates.  It sounds like you might be happy about this change.

Yeah Goons are all over the internet. I used to dig being a Goon.And yes the pre-made fanbase who geek out on their unique mechs and have been playing battletech related games for years and years will be setting the tone of gameplay imo.Kinda disappointed that it's just hop in a mech and go deathmatch I was hoping for something a bit more involved. Like battles for planets etc.

[Fabe]

Hooperinius, on 03 August 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Yeah Goons are all over the internet. I used to dig being a Goon.And yes the pre-made fanbase who geek out on their unique mechs and have been playing battletech related games for years and years will be setting the tone of gameplay imo.Kinda disappointed that it's just hop in a mech and go deathmatch I was hoping for something a bit more involved. Like battles for planets etc.

Well there will be battles for planets but its going to be Hop in Mech, go to deathmatch, win DM to score points for your faction to win control of planet for said faction.

[George Ledoux]

Samuikaze, you really need to chill out, dude. You started out with some mild concerns about a game becoming something you don't like before the game has even come out. I'm glad you listened to the NGNG Podcast where The Mittani was a guest on the show and have given the NGNG show some free publicity at the same time. I can't speak for my co-hosts on the show but I, for one, don't feel like you can compare EVE online and MWO any more than you can compare what you feel goons did on Eve to what ANY group can do on MWO.

I've been proudly associated with the Mechwarrior universe for over 10 years now. I am grateful that so many people that I have met in person and online have such fond memories of me as Duncan Fisher and it has been the most consistently rewarding experience to know so many really cool and awesome folks. But in any large game forum or group, there are always going to be some who display a more vocal, opinionated, ill-informed, and occasionally ignorant and obnoxious behavior than the majority of players. These people are the ones who often make me feel just a teensy bit embarrassed for me to be associated with them or the game. For me, the BT / MW Goons do not meet these criteria. They may be vocal and squawk a lot, but they don't take things too seriously most of the time and they are never ill-informed, ignorant or obnoxious.

OK, that last part is wrong. Goons CAN be obnoxious, but it's usually toward someone who IS taking things too seriously and starts to get all frothy about something that doesn't really matter. Sort of like the debates you overhear at a comic con.

Perhaps before you start in on your next big MMO gaming experience you should take a spin in the Total Perspective Vortex machine. Maybe then, your gaming worries won't seem so important.

[Hooperinius]

Fabe, on 03 August 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

Well there will be battles for planets but its going to be  Hop in Mech, go to deathmatch, win DM to score points for your faction to win control of planet for said faction.

Makes sense. There'll have to be a limit on the numbers of planets up for grabs if they want to keep the universe somewhat consistent with Battletech lore though. Otherwise I could see 1-2 factions steamrolling the map which wouldn't be good. Also what rewards for winning a planet? More mechs, weapons, unique items...?

[Fabe]

Hooperinius, on 03 August 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

Makes sense. There'll have to be a limit on the numbers of planets up for grabs if they want to keep the universe somewhat consistent with Battletech lore though. Otherwise I could see 1-2 factions steamrolling the map which wouldn't be good. Also what rewards for winning a planet? More mechs, weapons, unique items...?

Here,this will explain how it'll work better then I can

http://mwomercs.com/...munity-warfare/

[Ninjawolf]

the only way goons (or griefers in general) could ruin this game is if they knowingly exploit bugs and/or use hacks to gain an unfair advantage.

[Supremacist]

George Ledoux, on 03 August 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

I am grateful that so many people that I have met in person and online have such fond memories of me as Duncan Fisher

omygod omygod omygod!!

[Illegal Username]

George Ledoux, on 03 August 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

words

Reasonable posts? In our five minutes of hatred?

Edited by Illegal Username, 03 August 2012 - 11:29 PM.

[TG Xarbala]

George Ledoux, on 03 August 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Samuikaze, you really need to chill out, dude. You started out with some mild concerns about a game becoming something you don't like before the game has even come out. I'm glad you listened to the NGNG Podcast where The Mittani was a guest on the show and have given the NGNG show some free publicity at the same time. I can't speak for my co-hosts on the show but I, for one, don't feel like you can compare EVE online and MWO any more than you can compare what you feel goons did on Eve to what ANY group can do on MWO.

I've been proudly associated with the Mechwarrior universe for over 10 years now. I am grateful that so many people that I have met in person and online have such fond memories of me as Duncan Fisher and it has been the most consistently rewarding experience to know so many really cool and awesome folks. But in any large game forum or group, there are always going to be some who display a more vocal, opinionated, ill-informed, and occasionally ignorant and obnoxious behavior than the majority of players. These people are the ones who often make me feel just a teensy bit embarrassed for me to be associated with them or the game. For me, the BT / MW Goons do not meet these criteria. They may be vocal and squawk a lot, but they don't take things too seriously most of the time and they are never ill-informed, ignorant or obnoxious.

OK, that last part is wrong. Goons CAN be obnoxious, but it's usually toward someone who IS taking things too seriously and starts to get all frothy about something that doesn't really matter. Sort of like the debates you overhear at a comic con.

Perhaps before you start in on your next big MMO gaming experience you should take a spin in the Total Perspective Vortex machine. Maybe then, your gaming worries won't seem so important.

Gentlemen?

You are now reading this in Duncan Fisher's voice.

If you aren't ashamed of your ill-informed rumor-mongering and over-reacting to an internet community who's only really guilty of being pretty darn good at teamwork-based games and poking fun at the most horrible sorts of grognards in the fandom, then you're probably so far deep in that terrible grande grognardisme that you don't have the simple, well-rounded social perspective that allows you to feel shame.

I mean, OP--that is, Samuikaze--actually unironically quoted this post by Metro and didn't have the standards to realize how unprofessional it sounds.

Metro, on 02 August 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

As a member of House Liao for over 2 decades now, I have seen the litehearted come and go with the fads, I have and will always hold Houseliao and her members in high regard with the utmost respect, in my book you are all unmatched. In real life or in gaming, for I know many of you personally.

As for MWO and the game launch.....

As a House Liao member, or leader, whichever you prefer and most of all as a representative of MWOmercs in a moderator postion,

The only thing I can say to the GOON,GOOBER,GEEK fiasco/rumor mill is this.

MWO and Piranha are all over it, on top of it and as I have been told, have no intentions of allowing any group or entity the opportunity to railroad the intended success of MWOmercs.

So......lets all BETA and get our packages and ready up for the upcoming launch of a fantastic game!

>salute<

This post required a lot of willful ignorance regarding the character of the SomethingAwful community, much less the working name we're commonly referred to ("GOOBER" was tossed in without a shred of irony). He also believes--as do some devs, apparently?--that Goons intend to derail the game, much like the poor OP does.

This kind of stubborn refusal to approach anything resembling objective fact regarding what's now the elephant in the room (us Goons, unfortunately) is probably the biggest reason why Duncan Fisher is ashamed of you. As we all are.

Most people who listened to the NGNG podcast were smart enough to get the right message: We Goons are just like any other Merc corp or House unit out there, just one of the more coordinated, clever, and justifiably ruthless groups. We don't normally care about how the public thinks of us because we don't actually have to answer to the public but as a human being I find ignorance itself to be offensive and I wish to combat it, however futile this might be. We're also willing to point at the Emperor's New Clothes and openly deride the more ludicrously inane elements of both BT canon and the fan community, a good litmus test of which happens to be how one reacts to the very deliberate Word of Lowtax trolling campaigns. Spoiler alert: Most of the people who really, really dislike Goons for our quite deliberate forum conduct (well, usually, some of the trolling is just regular people who happen to be Goons getting caught up in things and that's just how it goes on the internet) or our history in other games have ultimately been found wanting. Or however you're supposed to read these damn pH strips.

The fact that even some Mods and Devs continue to over-react and even antagonize a large portion of their potential consumer base over what is essentially a difference in opinion regarding the worst parts of the franchise (and we're not just talking those novels everyone disavows because they're terrible and involves aliens, there's a reason we've co-opted the imagery and terminology from Far Country) continues to worry me, because I want to have faith in the game and the people running it.

Aside from Helmer, Russ Bullock, and Alex Iglesias, it's hard not to think there's a clear case of inmates running the asylum in PGI and the moderation staff--effectively an arm of the game's public relations element. And only one of these three reasonable folks actually has a real say in the real nitty-gritty of the game itself.

For crying out loud, a moderator actually banks on his real-life old boy's club connections to other players and possibly staff members as a form of social capital. How can anyone think this is professional conduct for a company's PR department?

But I digress.

Anyway, even Duncan Fisher thinks you're overreacting.

And if you don't like Duncan Fisher it's only because you were terrible at the Solaris tournaments.

EDIT: Oh, then consider me educated, sir.

Edited by TG Xarbala, 04 August 2012 - 12:56 AM.

[wargames]

I would put Garth and Matt N in the cool PGI people column.

[Halfinax]

Mason Grimm has been nothing but civil and helpful to me on several occasions, and certainly haven't seen him partake in any anti-goon shenanigans (that word isn't used nearly enough).

[Illegal Username]

I swear to God i will pistol whip the next guy who says "Shenanigans"