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[Supremacist]

Ok, this thread has gone on long enough that it now prompts an official response from The Word, or as some call us, The Goons.

*Official Statement From The Words Offices Of Propaganda*

On The Matter Of Goon/WOL Domination In Mechwarrior Online

You won't give The Word a chance to use its strongest strategy? That's silly

You people haven't even begun to grasp the depths of The Mittans power.
Combination attacks, suprise attacks, distractions, decoys; You will need to combine every strategy you can think of if you are to have any hope at all of even striking at the Word.

Do you think you can bury the word under superior numbers, brute strength or advanced tactics? That's naive

Indeed, The Mittani isnt just scary because he commands The Word.
Sure, having the unquestioned loyalty of hundreds of Mechwarrior pilots is terrifying, but there are plenty of guys that would rather die than follow him if that's all he had.
There are those among The Word who couldnt even agree on the weather; theres only one reason why he managed to unite them into a single group.

It's because The Mittani is just that strong. And in our case, the physical strength of someone is not translated well into online games.
But Intellectual strength? Absolutely
It's because there is not a person alive who can beat him at his own game.

You think you're prepared to face The Words greatest attacks? No, you really aren't.

You think you are prepared for everything else he can do? Not even close

You can be prepared for the sky to fall or the earth to tear open; you can gather all the data and prepare for every misfortune possible under the sun and you STILL wont be ready for The Mittani.
You still wont be ready for The Word.

I'm not asking you to surrender, I'm not asking you to be afraid.
In fact, I want you all to try your best, use every possible method you know of to try to defeat us.
Call on all your allies, use your best tricks, your best tactics.
I want you to use up all your hope and strength while fighting us, try your best.
I want you to tell your children how you tried to stop The Word, how you tried to stop The Mittani and his puppets like The Supremacist and yet despite your best efforts, you failed.

You tried your best and you failed.

Edited by Supremacist, 03 August 2012 - 03:27 PM.

[wargames]

Samuikaze, on 03 August 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

you lot have proven time and time again in the past that you'll go down "any" road to get the advantage, so yep, you stink the place out all right.

Show us an example outside of eve.

Edited by wargames, 03 August 2012 - 03:32 PM.

[Daevaflaev]

I guess goons should start making threads about people who whine about goons playing the same games as them.


Would the powers that be close this travesty of a thread?

[Nekki Basara]

Samuikaze, on 03 August 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

That's really quite funny,

I mean you guys have a rep that stinks to high heaven and yet you expect people to roll over and say; " Aaaaah they are just misunderstood." It's interesting that you are now looking to see yourselves as part of the MWO community here when your little leader Mittani there said you lot don't care about the place. That this is a place that is going to have to learn to accept your forms of griefing, that the crowd here are in for a wake up call. What a joker. Oh and the meta-gaming, you lot have proven time and time again in the past that you'll go down "any" road to get the advantage, so yep, you stink the place out all right.

As for drowning the place out, well many here haven't had the unpleasant experiences of having to game with you, they see you as just another pebble in the road, but there are others here the know exactly what you are about and thus are making everyone aware of it. You don't like this of course but guess what? Tough. The alternative is to have you run riot through the place wrecking it whilst smiling from ear to ear and slapping yourselves on the back about what a great job you've done..

Anyway, the powers that be are on to you so all of this doesn't matter par keeping the community here informed for what kind of group you are. Time will tell if they get the gaming mechanic right and if they don't well I'm sure you'll find ways of trying to wreck it or abuse it. Its what you do.

Dear god you are a terrible poster. You really have no idea what you're talking about and ignore so many basic facts that are a matter of public record while still managing to smugly inform us that PGI have it all under control.

In ultra-simple dumbass speak so you might get it:

1: we don't care what the community thinks of us.
2: we don't care what PGI thinks of us.
3: we DO care that PGI makes a good game.
4: SQUAAAAAAAWK!

[Samuikaze]

wargames, on 03 August 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Show us an example outside of eve.

http://wow.joystiq.c...ring/#continued

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Perennial pariahs Goon Squad, Horde-side on Mal'Ganis-US, have really carved out a niche for themselves in the World of Warcraft. Well, two niches. The first is a rock-solid reputation of being the foremost trolls and griefers in the MMO market, period -- a reputation perpetuated by a community that operates mostly on word-of-mouth and lovingly crafted by the guild itself. The second is providing some of the best and most hilarious WoW videos on the internet. This one is no exception -- they managed to score a victory for the Lich King by defeating the dread paladin Fordring.

It's a rare ability, possessed by Goon Squad and a few other community figures, to be able to take the building blocks of the game experience provided by Blizzard -- strictly compartmentalized and defined by sets of incontrovertible rules -- and then cobble together something wholly new and, frankly, ridiculous out of them. You're not supposed to be able to bring together two often-'shipped faction leaders for an impromptu date. You're not supposed to be able to blow the Wintergrasp fortress wall to smithereens in a minute's time. You're certainly not supposed to be able to kill the head of the Argent Crusade who, by the way, should learn to cast Consecrate.

So, you might be asking a valid question here -- what's the point of these exercises, exactly? It's not as if Jaina and Thrall will embrace the fanfiction and shack up, and killing Tirion doesn't provide you with any loot, achievements, or any kind of tangible reward. Why do it?

It's simple. It's an exercise in power over the world, even if fleeting. It's making the rules work for them, not the other way around. We see this kind of behavior in all facets of the game, with varying levels of impact on the game and its players. Antiarc proved that rogues could transcend outdated and clunky mechanics by designing a mod that swapped their weapons for them upon hitting 5 stacks of Deadly Poison on a target, eventually forcing Blizzard to fix it. World-first kills are rife with drama over finding kinks in the armor of the encounter mechanics and tossing Saronite Bombs at them. Goon Squad shut down Theramore by taking its Flight Master on an extended spelunking trip. It's all the same concept. And every time someone performs these actions, it raises a big red flag at Blizzard -- "this is out there and we probably need to fix it." In a way, a public service is being performed even if it might not seem like it at first.

You might call it exploitation, and you wouldn't necessarily be wrong. Scientists, though, call it emergent gameplay -- that is, taking a strict set of rules and using them to produce results unintended by the rulemakers. It's the ultimate in trolling. And Goon Squad knows it. That's why they're so good at it.
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As I say, its what they do and in the meanwhile, the rest of the BT community here will be in the middle of their exploitation antics.

[Allen Wren]

OMCTonto, on 03 August 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

All I have to say is: I have been piloting a mech for the better part of 15 years, longer if you count tabletop. So come on over Goons and greifers. I will stomp a mud hole in you, and walk it dry, as will many, MANY other well skilled mech pilots.

So when you file your taxes, do you put "Mechwarrior" or the more legally-correct "Battlemech Operator" in the bit marked 'occupation'? I've always wondered about that.

[Milkman Luke]

Fugu, on 03 August 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Personally I have not seen any griefing by any goons whatsoever here.
Not taking a videogame with giant robots shooting each other serious isn't griefing to me.

Pretty much. A lot of people on these forums appear to be operating under a very weird definition of griefing that includes coordinated online gameplay and silly forum signatures as innate griefing offenses.

[Hooperinius]

I would like to hear how Goons will be able to grief/ruin this game as from what I'm reading it doesn't look to be really possible on the scale of say, EVE.

[wargames]

I fail to see how this applies to a competitive like Planet side, or WoT.

[Nekki Basara]

Samuikaze, on 03 August 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

In a way, a public service is being performed even if it might not seem like it at first.

Did you even read what you posted? This is basically what you, yes YOU RIGHT THERE WITH YOUR FOUNDERS TAG AND BETA ACCESS should be doing. If you're not then you're wasting your beta slot and are contributing only as a server stress-tester.

[Samuikaze]

Nekki Basara, on 03 August 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Did you even read what you posted? This is basically what you, yes YOU RIGHT THERE WITH YOUR FOUNDERS TAG AND BETA ACCESS should be doing. If you're not then you're wasting your beta slot and are contributing only as a server stress-tester.

Oh yes ... you forget to add the part "you guys" use these exploits found on others until you are caught doing it. Yes, anything to win right?

Edit: and we are talking full game not beta's.

Edited by Samuikaze, 03 August 2012 - 04:04 PM.

[Nekki Basara]

No game has ever been out of beta since the first patch was shipped over the web. Welcome to the 90's bub. But hey, hang onto that oldschool logic if you want to ignore the dev blogs and keep thinking that online games are the same as NES games. Be sure to ignore the posts in the beta forum where we pointed out a security flaw in the client itself. Whatever helps you sleep better after a stomping.

[The East is Burning Red]

Supremacist, on 03 August 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Ok, this thread has gone on long enough that it now prompts an official response from The Word, or as some call us, The Goons.

*Official Statement From The Words Offices Of Propaganda*

Wow that's embarrassing.

[Buttlord]

Samuikaze, on 03 August 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

That's really quite funny,

I mean you guys have a rep that stinks to high heaven and yet you expect people to roll over and say; " Aaaaah they are just misunderstood." It's interesting that you are now looking to see yourselves as part of the MWO community here when your little leader Mittani there said you lot don't care about the place. That this is a place that is going to have to learn to accept your forms of griefing, that the crowd here are in for a wake up call. What a joker. Oh and the meta-gaming, you lot have proven time and time again in the past that you'll go down "any" road to get the advantage, so yep, you stink the place out all right.

As for drowning the place out, well many here haven't had the unpleasant experiences of having to game with you, they see you as just another pebble in the road, but there are others here the know exactly what you are about and thus are making everyone aware of it. You don't like this of course but guess what? Tough. The alternative is to have you run riot through the place wrecking it whilst smiling from ear to ear and slapping yourselves on the back about what a great job you've done..

Anyway, the powers that be are on to you so all of this doesn't matter par keeping the community here informed for what kind of group you are. Time will tell if they get the gaming mechanic right and if they don't well I'm sure you'll find ways of trying to wreck it or abuse it. Its what you do.

Aww. You are so cute. I really mean it. You think you have it all figured out. You're downright adorable in your cocksure, self-righteous indignation and judgmental anger.

Supremacist, on 03 August 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

*Official Statement From The Words Offices Of Propaganda*

This is a bad post.

Edited by Buttlord, 03 August 2012 - 04:32 PM.

[Betaeffect]

Wouldn't this be driven by the individual leagues and there rules? I thought the planetary setups were independent from the game itself as the game is merely a stage for battles. The economy of the game just means your ride and what you can bring to the field is dependent upon your skill.

I'm not quite sure how individual battles will be fought or how servors/schedules would be set up. It seems to me it will be hard to run a league if this is only ran from a few master servors-you can't keep free lancers from dropping into your battle...otherwise this is just going to be a drop in as you like brawl...I like brawls personally...a little chaos is good for the soul...this is much simpler if any machine can be a battle host, but i don't think that is the plan...

Edited by Betaeffect, 03 August 2012 - 04:48 PM.

[MasterofBlasters]

Supremacist, on 03 August 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Ok, this thread has gone on long enough that it now prompts an official response from The Word, or as some call us, The Goons.

*Official Statement From The Words Offices Of Propaganda*

On The Matter Of Goon/WOL Domination In Mechwarrior Online

You won't give The Word a chance to use its strongest strategy? That's silly

You people haven't even begun to grasp the depths of The Mittans power.
Combination attacks, suprise attacks, distractions, decoys; You will need to combine every strategy you can think of if you are to have any hope at all of even striking at the Word.

Do you think you can bury the word under superior numbers, brute strength or advanced tactics? That's naive

Indeed, The Mittani isnt just scary because he commands The Word.
Sure, having the unquestioned loyalty of hundreds of Mechwarrior pilots is terrifying, but there are plenty of guys that would rather die than follow him if that's all he had.
There are those among The Word who couldnt even agree on the weather; theres only one reason why he managed to unite them into a single group.

It's because The Mittani is just that strong. And in our case, the physical strength of someone is not translated well into online games.
But Intellectual strength? Absolutely
It's because there is not a person alive who can beat him at his own game.

You think you're prepared to face The Words greatest attacks? No, you really aren't.

You think you are prepared for everything else he can do? Not even close

You can be prepared for the sky to fall or the earth to tear open; you can gather all the data and prepare for every misfortune possible under the sun and you STILL wont be ready for The Mittani.
You still wont be ready for The Word.

I'm not asking you to surrender, I'm not asking you to be afraid.
In fact, I want you all to try your best, use every possible method you know of to try to defeat us.
Call on all your allies, use your best tricks, your best tactics.
I want you to use up all your hope and strength while fighting us, try your best.
I want you to tell your children how you tried to stop The Word, how you tried to stop The Mittani and his puppets like The Supremacist and yet despite your best efforts, you failed.

You tried your best and you failed.

I think they're gonna have to move the Jihad up a few years...

[Phatel]

So ummm...we care why? They can't control anything beyond what they are allowed to. They run Eve because it's a sandbox and as long as people keep paying PGI could care less what you do, they are most likely amused that it requires them to do nothing and yet people keep paying them.

So group of people in a sandbox space sim are making a small group of players scared that they will ruin every game on the planet. The sky, IT IS FALLLING! DOOOM! When this becomes a Sandbox space sim instead of a FPS style mech combat sim I'll worry.

[Betaeffect]

Well said Phatel... "When this becomes a Sandbox space sim instead of a FPS style mech combat sim I'll worry"...that's why I mentioned how the leagues are usually setup-they are separate programs, the ultimate fate of that secondary universe is determined by the outcomes in the "battle" sim...but if all you want to do is drop in and blow stuff up, why worry about such details...goons in mechs blow up just like the rest of us...

Edited by Betaeffect, 03 August 2012 - 05:20 PM.

[Popgun]

wargames, on 03 August 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

I fail to see how this applies to a competitive like Planet side, or WoT.

It doesn't, which is why these threads are pointless and counterproductive to any actual critical thought over community warfare. Goons have large representation in both those games and play accordingly. If you listen to that podcast with the Mittani, the interviewer is surprised to hear that several of the top clans in World of Tanks are Goon clans and share Eve members, as he himself has played against and didn't realize it. Why? Because they play the game as intended and supported by the developers. Which is exactly what they do in Eve.

[Ioun Stone]

Just from playing the closed beta, this game is nothing like EVE.
You just hop in a mech and go shoot it out on a map.
EVE is a place where things go on 24/7 and there's more to it then just plop in and combat. There's jumping to other sectors, doing AI-missions, trading, mining, and then worrying about what level space your ship is in.
Here's there's none of that and so the 'greifing' is practically nill compared to what they can do with EVE. Now if this game ever 'expands' and let's us do things outside the mech, or have jumpships/dropships, mobile bases, etc, that could lead to them having more options.

But this game is little more then a frag-fest at times. Heck, I'm more worried about the average player then goons with this current game.