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[xXPHANTASMXx]

Correct Adam!

garth Erlam, I hope thats a joke.

[Zomb1e]

AdamBaines really summed up how I feel about this too. The argument isn't about the quality of the art. The issue is that the new design does not immediately identify itself as the 'mech it's supposed to be. The previous redesigns that have been shown I could immediately identify; they maintained the visual cues of their predecessors, and more importantly, they maintained the aesthetic of a BattleMech. This new Centurion just does not fit the ethos of the BattleTech universe.

Now clearly, not everyone will agree, especially because probably not everyone here is a Classic BattleTech fan. However, if this game is using the BattleTech franchise, it should at least try to remain consistent. Bottom line:

Atlas, Dragon, Jenner, Catapult, Hunchback = great redesigns that remain true to the source
Centurion = Went too far in a new direction, please tweak the design.

[BarHaid]

Zomb1e, on 27 January 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Atlas, Dragon, Jenner, Catapult, Hunchback = great redesigns that remain true to the source
Centurion = Went too far in a new direction, please tweak the design.

And it wouldn't take much; a lot of the design tidbits are there. It's just that the other tidbits shout much louder.

(much like us, I suppose)

[Radwulf]

Excellent ! You have transcended the original.

[AdamBaines]

Look, Im not trying to be a (EDIT)Meanie(EDIT) and I'm very very sorry everyone if its coming off that way. Im not asking anyone to change anything because this is PGI's game and I know that if you do make a change other people will complain. You can't make everyone happy, and it seems the majority like it (as I said I also like the beautiful artwork), Im just saying how I feel and think, and thats the purpose of having forums in the first place, right? Again, PGI is rocking it and I appreciate all the hard work you do as I work is software development as well and can relate to people telling you their opinions about your hard work.

EDIT: Man, the things that get **** out......

Edited by AdamBaines, 27 January 2012 - 12:19 PM.

[Adridos]

AdamBaines, on 27 January 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Look, Im not trying to be a **** and I'm very very sorry everyone if its coming off that way. Im not asking anyone to change anything because this is PGI's game and I know that if you do make a change other people will complain. You can't make everyone happy, and it seems the majority like it (as I said I also like the beautiful artwork), Im just saying how I feel and think, and thats the purpose of having forums in the first place, right? Again, PGI is rocking it and I appreciate all the hard work you do as I work is software development as well and can relate to people telling you their opinions about your hard work.

Well, when I think of BTech community, Pirnha is doing quiet nicely. Remake 6 very iconic mech and have just minor complains on the last one and already fixed problem with Dragon is more than they could have hoped for.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Hmm, I will drive that if the Bushwacker doesnt make it in +D

[Adridos]

LordKnightFandragon, on 27 January 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Hmm, I will drive that if the Bushwacker doesnt make it in +D

Trust me, you don't want to drive the Bushwacker from this era.

[rollermint]

I like it.

Some many not like them but you can have the most awesome perfect design of a mech and you will have your naysayers so carry on the good work.

[ethnic minority]

I feel like I'm stuck in the awkward middle here. I love the new centurion, and I also love the retro boxy design too. My only suggestion for FD's redesign is to raise the head a little - imo the centurion is the epitome of the classy/regal soldier mech in a universe full of chicken-legged death walkers.

[Domoneky]

The re-design of thisd "Mech looks absoulutely bad-a$$...Might have to Pilot it

[Hodo]

I just dont like the oversized fin on the head, and the stupid shield on the arm. I dont really care for the toes either, but eh, who's going to see them. If they want to burn the extra polygons programing them, not my problem. But the shield on the arm makes it appear that it has more armor on the left arm than on the right. And thus will be a FUNCTIONAL shield, which is a big NO NO in Battletech. This isnt Robot Jocks!

[Zakatak]

Best Centurion rendition, in my opinion.

[Arcane Azmadi]

Oh man! I've always thought the Centurion looked clunky and outdated, practically Zeerust, but this redesign looks AWESOME. Is it based on an existing variant, or was this created fresh for this game?

[RomuIus]

Cant wait!

[trycksh0t]

Nice, it's not my Dervish, but I'll take all the FedSuns metal you guys will offer. And the looks...it's intimidating and yet manages to be beautiful. Fantastic work gentlemen, can't wait to see the rest.

[OldManzGamin]

The Centurion is looking great! Keep up the great work...

[EDMW CSN]

I am a fan of the other re-designs but this one is a little off for me. Personally the Cent was my fave in MW2: Mercs, I would buy it first and same for Mechcommander.

This re-imagining is a little ya know, off for me. I would have not recognized it unless someone told me it's a Cent. Maybe it's the post but a few things throw me off.


1) The shield. Nada the Cent never had one.
2) The Claw arm.... That reminds me of Manei Dominei Mechs.

In fact I thought I was wondering how come a Manei Dominei Mech actually appeared in 3050 and I first saw it.
Look at dem hands. In fact if that Cent had bird foot system, it would look close to a Celestial type Omni o.0



3) The another point would be the head, but I could live with that.

While i really enjoyed the other re-designs, this one does not really float my boat. Still it is a fine work and fine looking mech.

Edited by [EDMW]CSN, 28 January 2012 - 02:00 AM.

[Elizander]

This is only my opinion, but the original Centurion design for me is horrible. There is no way you can retain most of it and still say that it is a practical design. I'll agree to disagree with adamant fans of the original Centurion design but I'll still say my piece.

1) The original Centurion is nothing like an armored tank, unless you actually grab a tank, stand it up and put a pair of legs on it. The plating used on the new Centurion protects the proper areas on the mech and it has a more compact profile which is proper for a war machine. It also utilizes more geometry to help lessen the impact of enemy weapons. The old Centurion is as flat as a board and would take the full brunt of any frontal hits instead of allowing geometry to lessen the force.

2) The redesign on the cannon arm is more practical as it is thin at the end and slopes properly with the armor to deflect shells which hit it when it's pointed at the enemy and firing. The old Centurion cannons would take hits at a 90 degree angle and allow maximum damage taken making it rather dangerous to use in a head-to-head fight.

3) The original Centurion knee design looks like an accordion. It's not cool to have a huge war machine with rubber knees.The new design has actual armor protecting the knee joint (and other joints) in a practical way.

4) The old Centurion has big fat fingers that can't grab anything for the life of it. The new one has more practical mechanical claws for holding onto stuff.

5) The original design had flat feet from the looks of it. That wouldn't even let it go up a slope much less stay stable on any rough terrain.

6) The new Centurion looks like it can actually twist its torso. The old Centurion's torso looked like a solid rectangular block of steel. The new Centurion's waist design makes it look like it can actually bend over to lower its profile even more when working with limited cover.

7) I hope they keep the shield. There are no weapons in the left arm so making it a wider target will be a benefit to soak up extra shots with proper torso twisting between weapon CDs.

And yes, I've played the TT with friends when FASA was still up and running, read the novels, and I've played the MW games that have come out. I never liked the original Centurion design since over a decade ago and I am glad that they did not let it carry over the way it was. The new design is a far cry from Gundam or any anime design that I know of and I believe that it retains the Battletech feel.

I'm sure that there will be a design or two that I may dislike or disagree with in the future, but for now I will put my vote behind the new Centurion.

[Ceefood]

All the other redesigns were still recognisable as their original TROs but now looked more awesome. This one doesnt even come close to looking like a Centurion - yes it has all its weapons & a crest on its head although the AC10 looks more like a LASER - the hunchback AC20 looks like a cannon but this weapon doesnt even look menacing or similar to a cannon.
The feet do not look like mech feet - they look to me like someone stuck fixed artillery mounts to its legs.
The armour of the arm is just wrong - it could look armour plated but not a shield - it isnt BT & it isnt part of the centurion & if it was implemented then people could possibly exploit it then others will say why doesnt my mech get a shield like arm to???

I like the idea of making the mechs look more realistic, functional & militaristic but I also want them recognisable as their TRO style designs like the others have suceeded so my suggestions to fix it are as follows
1) get rid of the shield just make the arm look plated
2) get rid of the fixed gun mount feet & more like the atlas or jenner feet
3) lift the head a bit - not so its got a neck but at least more of a head like design
4) MOST IMPORTANTLY - redesign the cannon - make it a cannon with ejector type ports for shells not a laser looking weapon.

the rest of the mech should stay as is - its a much better looking design than the original it just needs some tweaking - I really hope its not too late.

Edited by Ceefood, 28 January 2012 - 04:54 AM.