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[CCC Dober]

To put it bluntly: no freaking way.
The moment you decide to drop that kind of money on a pc you can expect an i7 and a GTX560+ (hint: the last 2 numbers indicate performance, not the first). If you pay 700 bucks for an i5 and a subpar 620, you're totally blowing your money on something you will regret.

Revise your bid Star Commander.
/RP

[Aznpersuasion89]

FYI, if you intend to crossfire, you will need a bigger psu.

[Vulpesveritas]

Osski, on 12 August 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

Thanks.. really it is worth it to me to fork over an extra two hundred bucks or so to make sure that everything is done correctly and since I've dealt with them before I have faith in this company as far as the construction and service goes.

By the way, great builds of the weak thread and thanks for it! Very helpful!

Have you checked in your area for a local shop or repair center? You can ask if you can have them assemble it, then it should only cost you like $100 or so, and you could go with my basic $600 BOTW then buy windows 7 on top of it and bam $800 and faster PC.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Aznpersuasion89, on 12 August 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

FYI, if you intend to crossfire, you will need a bigger psu.

Not necessarily; he won't need more wattage, in all likelihood but he may well find that the 12 volt rail cannot supply sufficient current, which in practice often means getting a PSU with a higher wattage.

[Aznpersuasion89]

this is true. thanks for the correction. OP look on the side of your PSU and look at the +12V max load. for my continuous 450w psu my max load is 360 watts total or 36 amps since i have 2 12v rails.

[SakuranoSenshi]

W=IV, 360 = I x 12, I = 360/12 = 30 amperes. Not 36. :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist. Aye, you're dead right though and be sure it's a proper PSU which gives the specs for continuous output. Also be wary of the 'multiple rails' thing, in most cases they're really not even when the mtfr said they were. I highly recommend Corsair, myself and they have some funny videos of their testing of competitors but there are other quality mftrs out there, too.

[Aznpersuasion89]

haha, i would actually believe my amps over my wattage. however 360watts is 80% of 450 which is the rated efficiency of my psu. i have an antec with a MAX of 550 watts before it trips and shuts down.

[Osski]

CCC Dober, on 12 August 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

To put it bluntly: no freaking way.
The moment you decide to drop that kind of money on a pc you can expect an i7 and a GTX560+ (hint: the last 2 numbers indicate performance, not the first). If you pay 700 bucks for an i5 and a subpar 620, you're totally blowing your money on something you will regret.

Revise your bid Star Commander.
/RP

So what should I spend the 700 bucks on that I didn't have to build? I appreciate the intention to help, but all you are doing here is saying no without offering any other options. And to repeat, building my own is not really an option. Also, I've sorta tweaked the build from the original post by changing out the power supply and gpu and therefor upping the price over 800 to make things more worthwhile.

Vulpesveritas, on 12 August 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Have you checked in your area for a local shop or repair center? You can ask if you can have them assemble it, then it should only cost you like $100 or so, and you could go with my basic $600 BOTW then buy windows 7 on top of it and bam $800 and faster PC.

This is something I've considered but not really pursued... perhaps talking to the young guys at the locally owned repair shop would be fruitful. One positive of going with the internet dealer is that they do inspect, test, benchmark, stress test and then even warranty their computers. I haven't had any problems at all with the previous one purchased from them, and so that familiarity certainly is a selling point.

But still, I'll look into the local shop and thanks for the idea.

Edited by Osski, 12 August 2012 - 04:48 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Osski, on 12 August 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

This is something I've considered but not really pursued... perhaps talking to the young guys at the locally owned repair shop would be fruitful. One positive of going with the internet dealer is that they do inspect, test, benchmark, stress test and then even warranty their computers. I haven't had any problems at all with the previous one purchased from them, and so that familiarity certainly is a selling point.

But still, I'll look into the local shop and thanks for the idea.

It's generally the best bet. Plus having a local warranty if there's a problem you can get there and have it fixed faster.

[Aznpersuasion89]

my friend bought from ibuypower or something like that and spent like 3k on a build. imo its not worth it. why cant you put it together your self? if you own a philips screw driver your golden dude. we would be more then ready to help you hand build something awesome then waste money on something sub par. vulp and quite a few others were very patient with me when i was building my rig.

[CCC Dober]

OP: Hate to break it to you, but if you don't DIY, then you're prone to get ripped off. I don't know what's keeping you in your comfy zone, but it's gonna cost you a lot if you stay there for no apparent reason. No offense, just telling it how it is.

[Osski]

CCC Dober, on 12 August 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

OP: Hate to break it to you, but if you don't DIY, then you're prone to get ripped off. I don't know what's keeping you in your comfy zone, but it's gonna cost you a lot if you stay there for no apparent reason. No offense, just telling it how it is.

I'm starting to agree with building my own after watching a couple tutorial videos to refresh on where all the darn wires go... I'll sleep on it

That being said, I don't see how paying 100-200 bucks more for someone else to do the legwork for you, with exactly the same components as I'd put together myself a total rip-off. As another poster stated, I couldn't expect them to build me something for free. I know that.

I'm not offended but some folks don't realize when they are using inflammatory language.

Edited by Osski, 12 August 2012 - 11:12 PM.

[Shivus]

Mobo instruction booklets these days practically hold your hand in plugging things into the right spots.

Once you get passed picking the ideal components out and onto the actual build the hardest part is in fact wire management, but many good cases offer solutions to that problem now. Modular PSUs help some more. I love my trusty old silencer 610 to death, but my CM 690 doesn't exactly play nicely with the extra wires.

[CCC Dober]

OP: Sorry for that, I felt that 700 was quite a lot for a pc and you can really expect some quality components for that kind of money. I was rather shocked to discover what you went with instead. If this was a notebook, then I wouldn't be totally surprised because good offers in that price range are rare indeed. Desktops however ... oh well. On that note, Vulpesveritas gives sound advice and is probably your best in the New World

Nevertheless, I'll find out what 700 can do for you in the Old World, which should roughly translate to what you can get in the New World =)

P.S. Here's what I found

CPU: i5-2500 (4 x 3.3 GHz) = 182€ (note: i7-2600K got less bang for the buck at 268€)
FAN: Arctic Cooling Freezer Xtreme Rev.2 = 29€
GPU: MSI GTX 560 Ti = 202€
RAM: Corsair 8GB DDR3 = 45€
PSU: Corsair 430W CX = 44€
HDD: Seagate 1TB SATA 6Gb/s = 82€
CASE: Xigmatek Asgard Midi Tower = 35€
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-PA-67A-D3-B3 = 69€
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Total: 688€

I'd recommend to salvage your optical drive, mouse, keyboard and OS as usual. No need to pay twice for stuff that still works IMO.

P.P.S. You really don't want to overclock (liquid cooler hints at that) with a 350W PSU. Besides, your GPU would still be the bottleneck and a very slim one at that. All the extra CPU power would do is simply raise your power consumption, if your PSU does not simply burn out or hopefully switch off when it starts overheating. There's simply no headroom for overclocking and the 620 (GPU) is going to spoil your fun regardless. If you really want to overclock, then I recommend this link as a starting point for your PSU selection.

Edited by CCC Dober, 13 August 2012 - 06:59 AM.

[CSHubert]

Hey !!! Not the HD7770 !!! That is an inferior card to the money. 6870 or gtx560 /ti or even 550 ti could do it... not the 7770...

[Shivus]

7770 is better than the 550 TI. But yes, the 6870 is the best bang for the buck normally, with the 2gb 6950 being about equal bang for the buck as long as it's at or under $200. But if he's PSU limited the 7770 is the way to go.

[Vulpesveritas]

CSHubert, on 13 August 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

Hey !!! Not the HD7770 !!! That is an inferior card to the money. 6870 or gtx560 /ti or even 550 ti could do it... not the 7770...

Factory OC HD 7770 = 6850 with lower power consumption and higher DX11 and tesselation performance
Stock HD 7770 = 30% faster than Nvidia Geforce GTX 550ti
Cheapest HD 7770 is $125, Cheapest HD 6870 or Geforce GTX 560 is $160.

[CSHubert]

http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/

http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/

http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/

Agreed that the HD7770 dont eat much power, but you dont get much from it either... GTX gets into a price dump now. I just bought an Inno 3d gtx 570 for 260 $... in a month or two geforce is gonna be cheapest and best choice

edit:
http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/
interesting...

Edited by CSHubert, 13 August 2012 - 05:54 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

CSHubert, on 13 August 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/

http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/

http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/

Agreed that the HD7770 dont eat much power, but you dont get much from it either... GTX gets into a price dump now. I just bought an Inno 3d gtx 570 for 260 $... in a month or two geforce is gonna be cheapest and best choice

edit:
http://www.hwcompare...radeon-hd-7770/
interesting...

Current pricing:
Cheapest Radeon HD 7770: $125
Cheapest Radeon HD 6850: $150
Cheapest Radeon HD 6870: $170
Cheapest Geforce GTX 560: $155 (Note; Zotac's warranty on all their GPUs ends when the card hits EOL, which is expected to be in the next month or two for this card.)

Right now, the Radeon HD 7770 and Geforce GTX 560 are the best choices in terms of price/performance.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 13 August 2012 - 07:29 AM.

[CSHubert]

Yeah well thats religion... I too have more of that here
http://www.tomshardw...,2932.html?prod[5393]=on&prod[5703]=on&prod[5451]=on&prod[5440]=on&prod[5700]=on
...But does it matter ? Gtx 550 ti is out of date or as nvidia says "End Of Life", HD7770 is a cheap card and you get what you pay for. Buttom line is if it can handle MWO and other games he will play.
I think it pays off to give that little extra money to get a good card and have it for a while longer. Im replacing my old gtx 285 that has done its job for quite some time now. At the time I got it it was a little more expensive than most, but it has out-lived many of my friends GPUs, so in the long run I actually saved some bucks by not buying the cheapest...