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[Elizander]

Paul Inouye, on 02 February 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Please don't give FlyingDebris any ideas.. bad enough we're stuck with samurai armor and windmills now.

Windmills!

Edited by Elizander, 04 February 2012 - 01:32 AM.

[Denvian]

I think if you destroy both legs your Mech should still be able to shoot in a limited fashion (Well until your arm propping you up is blown off as well)

It really bugged me how when you lost your legs your mech blew up... does not make sense really considering in canon it was really hard to get a reactor to go critical (I realize people just like to see stuff blow up).

If it is going to be a game where there is not spawning (Which I hope it is) would you not like to wait out the results of the match taking shots at mechs that walk by? I mean you would still be considered combat ineffective and count as down. Plus if your in a really bad spot and just want to go home then you can always eject.






Oh and by the way

Elizander, on 04 February 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

Windmills!

***!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Edited by Denvian, 04 February 2012 - 08:10 AM.

[Liam]

In my opinion legging is okay so long legless mechs can still go in to sitting/lying like position and keep firing
(Immobility yes, but no sudden death)

Edited by Liam, 04 February 2012 - 08:10 AM.

[Denvian]

Liam, on 04 February 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

In my opinion legging is okay so long legless mechs can still go in to sitting/lying like position and keep firing
(Immobility yes, but no sudden death)

Exactly... more concise than mine but exactly

[Gunmage]

So, everything boils down to "Make it just like in the tabletop pls"?

I think the legless mech could move on its arms, as long as it has both of them. Of course, you can't shoot if you crawl like that.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Gremlich Johns, on 02 February 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Inadvertant legging isn't an issue and I doubt many of us can claim it has not happened from time to time. Players can usually figure out intentional legging if they have been playing the game for a while. Typical response is to gang up on the offending agent until he leaves or acquieces to the prohibition.

See I do not support this at all. I am going to have to copy & paste an argument I made earlier.

If anyone remembers the invasion of Somerset (if you saw the Battletech Animated Series) the 1st enemy mech taken down by Star Colonel Nicolai Malthus (of Clan Jade Falcon) was a leg shot http://www.youtube.c...?v=YqzEssjkMeU.

He disabled the mech quickly & moved on to his other 2 opponents. Clansmen take pride in being able to aim at & destroy specific parts on an enemy mech.

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#1. My job as your enemy is to shoot your mech. A leg is a part of the mech. I could care less if you think it is cheap or not.

#2 Legging an opponent has a tactical advantage to it. I will present 2 examples:

a. Light/Scout mechs are known to be low on the side of firepower but high on the side of speed & tend to normally run circles around heavy/assault mechs (& some mediums as well). Legging such a mech robs it of its only advantage; speed. It is now easy pickings for you or anyone on your team. This piece of logic does not only apply to light mechs which leads me to:

b. You are engaged with a mech, you have gained the upper hand & an enemy mech notices you & decides to come to the aid of his/her teammate. If he/she does not have extremely long range weapons he/she will have to come in close or at least to a medium distance to engage you. Destroying one of that mech's legs buys you valuable time to either 1. finish off your current target then ready yourself for the approaching mech or 2. move to a suitable area where you can have both mechs in your FOV to deal with them appropriately or 3. have your teammate deal with the incoming mech while you continue to take apart your current foe.

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This is what we do. Quick take downs using as little energy or ammo as possible to preserve ourselves for a long line of opponents. We are not Inner Sphere barbarians shooting all over, we are surgeons displaying skill & precision.

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Leaving no doubt as to why the BattleMech had ruled warfare since its creation six centuries earlier, the Masakari
concentrated all four of its guns on the downed Daishi. Aiming in deliberate and well-practiced moves that showed Victor
why the Clans had so easily swept through the Inner Sphere, the Masakari opened the Daishi's back like a coroner doing
an autopsy. The PPC bolts fried structural stabilizers while the lasers sliced through ferro-titanium ribs.

The lasers freed the Daishi's fusion engine from its mountings. It dropped down, the safeguards in it snuffing the
reaction before it could explode. As if the Masakari had pulled the Daishi's heart out, Victor's 'Mech shuddered once, then all the monitors died, leaving him hanging in a hot, dark cocoon.

The deathly stillness pressed in on him, then he shook his head. The only advantage we ever had in fighting the Clans
was that they always played by a rigid set of rules that gave us a tactical edge. If they ever come to embrace the
flexibility that Phelan and the others showed here, Ragnar won't be the only Prince of the Inner Sphere sporting a
bondcord.

Natural Selection Pg. 35

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 04 February 2012 - 02:25 PM.

[Pinto Schnyder]

My opinion on legging blow both legs out of a urban mech an you have a urban turret! if your in a bigger mech you can hoist yourself up an shoot at thing still so blow legs out once they are gone they are gone completely can't do more damage to something taht doesn't exsist.
A gyro being blown out should put up suggestion in the mech to fight the urge for your mech to want to fall down an then causes reduced speed an accuracy dueto the mech fighting really hard to keep balanced.

[Alexander Grave]

Personally, I don't think legging should be abused for a quick kill. It should be done for the sake of getting that Atlas to quit moving and make it less of a threat, or that annoying Catapult to stop running around firing like mad at me.

Legging for the sake of turning someone into an immobile turret? Sure. Legging as a quick kill? No. Because it's annoying and not very fun.

If someone can take out my legs and decides to leave me stuck on that side of the map, unable to fight...it'll suck, but life happens.


The system in MW:LL seems nice, though. Wouldn't mind that.

[Gaizokubanou]

Am I seriously reading this right? People are crying about getting shot at their mech's legs as "dishonorable"? Shooting at mech's legs is "cheating"?

What is this !@%. I thought the whole theme of this game was warfare, not holding your hands through laser tag show so that you don't trip and cry like a !@%#

[SilentWolff]

Are legs part of the mech? Yes.
Are there any rules in game that prevent you from shooting a mechs legs? No.
Whats the point of this thread again?

[Ravn]

SilentWolff, on 04 February 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Are legs part of the mech? Yes.
Are there any rules in game that prevent you from shooting a mechs legs? No.
Whats the point of this thread again?

For non-leggers who are set in their ways to argue with everyone else who are also not changing their opinion.

[Alexander Grave]

Didn't say I'm against legging. Just don't think they should stat the legs to be toothpicks.

[Joanna Conners]

Gaizokubanou, on 04 February 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Am I seriously reading this right? People are crying about getting shot at their mech's legs as "dishonorable"? Shooting at mech's legs is "cheating"?

What is this !@%. I thought the whole theme of this game was warfare, not holding your hands through laser tag show so that you don't trip and cry like a !@%#

You must be new to MechWarrior. XD

[RoninV3]

I think they are going more with Canon on this, in Battletech a mech may restand even though its leg has been destroyed. A Battlemech is guided by its gyro and the feedback from the pilots Neurohelmet.

[RoninV3]

Wow, I only read the first page when I made my last post. I can not begin to fathom why people would think that shooting the leg is cheating. Any piece of an enemy is a valid target leg shots have been part of killing mechs since Battledroids.

[Sug]

Shooting the cockpit? SUPER CHEATING!!!!

[Thorolf Kylesson]

The Devs should make rules similer to TT. Able to shoot from prone (so long as your not face first). Piloting skill to prop up and cannot shoot from the arm that is not holding you up.

[Daneiel]

Devs must make a game mode only for you guys that crying around about legging - all weapons locked , no phisical damage , so no one will shoot you and you will be happy

[Joanna Conners]

Sug, on 05 February 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Shooting the cockpit? SUPER CHEATING!!!!

Kill the meat, save the metal.

[Philipe von Rohrs]

Apologies if this point has been made in some of the previous pages (I didn't feel like trawling thru ALL the previous posts... ) but I hope the results of "legging" play out more along the BT rules, whereby it is only by sheer luck; i.e. critical hit, double6's OMG how bad for you... that your leg will actually fly OFF your 'mech and leave you flailing about. Rather they just lock up into a type of crutch and allow you to keep hobbling about (and falling over).

I'm not keen on the idea of it being an "insta-kill" option...

Of course, that not gonna prevent the odd lucky shot from a PPC or AC20 to a Light 'mechs leg from ruining your day