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[Roadbuster]

Alex Wolfe, on 28 August 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

This one please!

It captures the unique features best. Shoulders in front of hip and the birdlike legs combined with the big barrel mounted on the top.
It also looks dangerous and mean with the lower profile torso. Like a wild animal cowering down, ready to jump in your face.
I think that's the effect of the longer but lower torso, more like a Catapult.

The other version looks too common. It's looks like a Cataphract with the gun barrel mounted in the upper part of the right torso instead of the lower part and PPCs instead of the ACs in the arms.
The unique look got lost.

[PainGod30]

Feeling the need to bump this thread, get some Dev attention maybe. I don't care if they can't do the unseen, I'll accept a redesigned reseen. Just give me my Marauder and Wolverine. They originally gave a simple, hold on and wait. Well still waiting Devs and I shall continue to wait as long as I must...however, I'd take it as a kindness if you didn't keep us all waiting too teribly long. Had my hopes up when they did that whole Artemis Joystick thing.

[Carnivoris]

I know damn good and well that if I was PGI, I'd stay away from as many lawsuits as I could. Besides, isn't there a level of 'artistic license' being taken anyway? None of the mechs in MWO are as... vector-y as the original designs anyway. I don't really know what the difference between them other than the art is. Maybe hardpoints and armor values and things? I dunno. I just don't really see why anyone would tell PGI to risk a lawsuit over something seemingly so mundane. Just use the Reseen ones!

[KuruptU4Fun]

IF we ever see any reseen mechs announced, personally I'm fine with what PGI will come up with on their own.
NO one owns the name, no one (except BT to my knowledge) owns the game mechanics like the hard points and such.

Edited by KuruptU4Fun, 09 January 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[jakucha]

Seeing as how they redesign them anyway, I'm sure they'll be able to add them in looking somewhat like the unseen.

[Ricama]

The problem with even the reseen is the question "is simply giving a mech the same name as one that had a lawsuit about it enough to revisit the lawsuit?" I can not with 100% certainty say no. The problem with the unseen has never been the legal rights of Harmony Gold (it has been shown time and time again that they should loose any lawsuit against them), it has been their ability to take and keep the issue in court. PGI can not afford to take the risk right now, maybe when they have the funds they will become too big to force the issue but right now I don't want to give Harmony Gold any reason to try to squash another Mechwarrior game like a bug.

[Joseph Mallan]

I still want to be back in a Battlemaster as Joe. it's been a long time since he stomped the yard in one.

[Solomon Ward]

Unseen ofc.

The Reseen concept art is plain ugly.

If i ever win in the Lottery Harmony Gold USA will suffer

[DirePhoenix]

jakucha, on 09 January 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

Seeing as how they redesign them anyway, I'm sure they'll be able to add them in looking somewhat like the unseen.

This^^

There is no reason they are unable to add in the missing 'mechs other than not having the balls to do it. (Am I calling them out on a "no-balls" situation? If someone chooses to perceive it as such, I would not be able to stop them)

What I don't think people realize is that ALL the 'mech designs in MWO are made exclusively for MWO. Even the ones we already have. Topps owns the rights to all the images in the print sourcebooks. You won't be seeing MWO designs in the Catalyst material either. We have the names and similar imagery, but all the art in here is exclusively for MWO. (and if you head over to MechWarrior Tactics, you'll see that they have their own art for their 'mechs as well.)

So, being that all art in MWO has to be new art anyway, what is there to stop PGI from making their own Marauder, Rifleman, Warhammer, Shadowhawk, BattleMaster, or Stingers?

Nothing. The original TRO3025-era art is the only thing in contention. Not the names, not the stats.

Make new art.

No-balls.

[DoktorVivi]

I prefer the unseen, but if they are not possible to reacquire, I would prefer PGI do the redesigns and not use the reseen (most of them are terrible). Lots of good fan designs floating around that keep the essence of what made the mechs cool.

Edited by DoktorVivi, 09 January 2013 - 11:40 AM.

[Tice Daurus]

Here's the deal...I like the Unseen designs. Yet I know using them would mean that Harmony Gold would end up getting coin in their pockets for using the art. And I HATE Harmony Gold with a passion for screwing with Battletech and causing FASA problems which ultimately nearly destroyed the entire franchise.

So I VOTE NO for the Unseen. Don't give Harmony Gold a freaking DIME. Even though I love the old designs, I can't in good conscience commit myself to allowing Harmony Gold to profit from this game one bit.

If they have to use the Reseen art, I'm cool with it. The Reseen art isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Yes I like the older art, but there is nothing wrong with the newer art. So...if the guys at PGI want to use the Reseens, I'm cool with it. But it doesn't matter to me.

Edited by Tice Daurus, 09 January 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[Sandslice]

DirePhoenix, on 09 January 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

This^^

There is no reason they are unable to add in the missing 'mechs other than not having the balls to do it. (Am I calling them out on a "no-balls" situation? If someone chooses to perceive it as such, I would not be able to stop them)

What I don't think people realize is that ALL the 'mech designs in MWO are made exclusively for MWO. Even the ones we already have. Topps owns the rights to all the images in the print sourcebooks. You won't be seeing MWO designs in the Catalyst material either. We have the names and similar imagery, but all the art in here is exclusively for MWO. (and if you head over to MechWarrior Tactics, you'll see that they have their own art for their 'mechs as well.)

So, being that all art in MWO has to be new art anyway, what is there to stop PGI from making their own Marauder, Rifleman, Warhammer, Shadowhawk, BattleMaster, or Stingers?

Nothing. The original TRO3025-era art is the only thing in contention. Not the names, not the stats.

Make new art.

No-balls.

You already know the answer to that. So far, in most of the 'Mechs we've gotten (the Centurion being a notable exception,) the 'Mechs have looked reasonably close to the original art; and the people pushing for the Unseen are unlikely to be satisfied with anything that isn't that close to TRO '25 or the old TRO '50 - that is, they expect PGI to play with fire in this regard.

[CDLord HHGD]

Can I vote for PGI's rendition of the Unseen? Otherwise, unseen all the way. Reseen are ooogly!

[Adridos]

Solomon Ward, on 09 January 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

The Reseen concept art is plain ugly.

Not all of it. Things like Battlemaster turned out better.

Marauder is a new design in it's own right and just making it a different mech completely would give it justice.

[Bounty Dogg]

Deal! I'll take the Reseen please!

...but with one caveat:
Do not, for the love of STEINER, use the reseen Warhammer, its made of potato shavings and FAIL. Use instead the art for the Hammerhands, seen here:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hammerhands

Looks enough like the Warhammer to trigger te evocative feeling, but different enough to avoid any real issues, IMO.

Edit: Or, hell, just give us the hammerhands! just make sure there's a custom variant that can mount energy weapons in the arms......

Edited by Bounty Dogg, 09 January 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

Sandslice, on 09 January 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

You already know the answer to that. So far, in most of the 'Mechs we've gotten (the Centurion being a notable exception,) the 'Mechs have looked reasonably close to the original art; and the people pushing for the Unseen are unlikely to be satisfied with anything that isn't that close to TRO '25 or the old TRO '50 - that is, they expect PGI to play with fire in this regard.

Hmmm...

What would be both novel and ironic, is if MWO were to base its visual renditions of the Unseen BattleMechs on the depictions used in the Japanese-release edition of BattleTech - which, as it happens, were produced by Studio Nue, the original creators of Macross and the artwork that is today associated with the Unseen and the conflict with Harmony Gold.

Stick it to HG by going back to the source?!

[CutterWolf]

I'm sorry but it you voted for "Unseen only" your either a moron or delusional or a little of both if you ever think your going to see them in this or any other Mech game ever again unless HG makes it or someone buys the rights to the art work. Sorry but that is just the facts so I suggest you get over it now. The problem is more complex than you think, you can't just add them to the game and change a few things and think that HG is not going to sue you for it. They have to be changed so much that when put next to each other in a "silhouette" that they are indistinguishable from each other in order to avoid a law suite. Now knowing this all MWO/PGI would have to do is to use the "Reseen's" as a starting point a create even cooler looking designs and then be able to add them to the game without a threat of a law suite. This is the "only" way your ever going to see these mechs in game ever again.............

Edited by CutterWolf, 09 January 2013 - 12:32 PM.

[Solis Obscuri]

As much as I'd like to see them, I think it's unlikely we'll see either Unseen or Reseen for a variety of legal reasons.

[Solis Obscuri]

Strum Wealh, on 09 January 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

Hmmm...

What would be both novel and ironic, is if MWO were to base its visual renditions of the Unseen BattleMechs on the depictions used in the Japanese-release edition of BattleTech - which, as it happens, were produced by Studio Nue, the original creators of Macross and the artwork that is today associated with the Unseen and the conflict with Harmony Gold.

Stick it to HG by going back to the source?!

Hunchback

Dragon

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Stalker

Spider

[SilentWolff]

Original Unseen or bust !!!