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[BlackArab]

Too many people will have skilled up from founders pack etc.. that new comers will be put of it.
Maybe the game is not going to be released, you have to upgrade the founders pack.
Oh well.. back to BF... oops the other game
Think I will spend mi money on the premium upgrade.

Edited by BlackArab, 17 September 2012 - 04:50 AM.

[Redshift2k5]

Everything is going to be wiped, so everyone will start a new on even footing.

Players already in the beta will have some more practice under their belts, but it is completely unfair to single out founders- There are thousands of free, non-founders also in the beta.

[Dymitry]

Can you kindly kindly explain us the purpose behind your post?

Or is it another case of "First post fail"?

Everything is going to be wiped at open launch.

Read stickies or use search.

Or go back to BoyFriend whatever.

[Myg]

Wow, lot of hate here already.

Lets try to keep things nice and open for others so the community doesnt destroy the game, k?

Yes, the game will be reset for you new guys to get in on and alot of us beta people will be playing the default stuff so we can just have fun; like you :-)

Edited by Myg, 17 September 2012 - 05:35 AM.

[Astor Cain]

Needs a thesis. No clear conclusion. Lacks coherent paragraph structure. Try again.

[Myg]

Holy crap, does every founder except me have a [redacted] or what?

[BlackArab]

Haha!
You all so funny.
What about skills gained in controlling Mechs and knowing your way around the cockpit controls?
What about the advantages of that?
We all know the Founders are paying for a head start
What about the little tips and tricks?
Cant set that to zero?
Anyway I'm not arguing, i'm just voicing concerns

Edited by BlackArab, 17 September 2012 - 07:46 AM.

[FEK315]

All I know is the community is what destroyed Armored core 5.
In North America From sold 32000 copies in the first week. That was around 8 months ago. Now there are about 200 people left playing. 80 percent of the loss is due to the community being unruly to each other, the rest is due to From and BandiNamco not careing about patching it's game.

[Minsc]

Wait so what you are saying is you didn't get a random beta invite just like most people in beta got so you are mad that someone else might play(Test) a game before you? There were after all, 10,000 random invites before founders packs went on sale. Invites to random accounts started up again a couple weeks ago. My numbers are quite out of date, so while I can't give a proper estimate of how many non-founders are in beta, there are *many* non-founders currently in beta and most of those became founders well *after* they were in beta. Ergo, since most people in beta initially were not founders or are not currently founders, I can only assume you are angry at not winning a lottery for a closed beta testing phase product.

BlackArab, on 17 September 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

...What about skills gained in controlling Mechs and knowing your way around the cockpit controls?
What about the advantages of that?...

Well, I read the directions before playing. It gave me a huge advantage over those who did not. I knew all the key binds and how to change them before even turning the game on. This is something, I suspect, you too can do. Plus there are screens shot of the game posted on here with the entire HUD displayed you can use for study like we all did months ago before closed beta.

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We all know the Founders are paying for a head start

Strange, you certainly aren't reading my mind, did you confuse me for someone else? Anyone who thinks that is quite the fool seeing as how it is public knowledge of a full reset upon open beta.

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What about the little tips and tricks?

Well, seeing as how people creating guides make them public for everyone when the NDA drops, gives you will have the advantage. You get to have information handed to you rather than actually theory crafting and experimenting yourself. Also, so as not to break the NDA, if you review some of the old promotional stuff from around May, you will find out, anyone who has played TT has an advantage over you, and they don't even need to play this game for that.

Edited by Minsc, 17 September 2012 - 08:09 AM.

[Dymitry]

BlackArab, on 17 September 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

We all know the Founders are paying for a head start

And this is where you are wrong, even over everything else.
Most of us paid to support a franchise that we deeply care for, not to have 2 weeks of stomping newcomers when the beta goes open.

What founders (most of us) have in common, is that we are really nice to newcomers who ask politely, because of what I have said before. So if you want to know the neat stuff, you just need to ask as soon as you get the closed beta invite, or the game goes open. If you are willing to learn, you will be up to pace in no time.

But if you want to keep that attitude, what do you expect us to tell you?

[Myg]

blackarab, that is true.

I have noted this possibility myself and personally would not mind if we were banned from playing for the first month of release

It shouldn't take too long to get used to the little quirks and whatnot and im pretty sure alot of the beta guys would love to share what they learned as well.

Part2:

HOLY CRAP, SERIOUSLY FOLKS.

I PAID FOR A HEADSTART DAMMIT, THATS WHY I WENT BALLS DEEP

YOU OTHER BROTHERS CANT DENY!

The difference is I am aware of the problem this brings up and that is why I don't mind skipping a bit of time or just playing with default stuff until the rest are ready to rock. :-)

Its up to us to make this deal sweet; so taking responsibility can only make things better for everyone.

Edited by Myg, 17 September 2012 - 08:14 AM.

[Minsc]

Myg, on 17 September 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

blackarab, that is true.

I have noted this possibility myself and personally would not mind if we were banned from playing for the first month of release

Alienating customers is not a good way to run a business.

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It shouldn't take too long to get used to the little quirks and whatnot and im pretty sure alot of the beta guys would love to share what they learned as well.

Already mentioned it. That is pretty much how every game goes. People who play first pass on information to those who play later. By Blackarab's logic, after the game is released new players will have an advantage over those who come later and therefor, there must be a problem. However he is aiming specifically at founders, not the random invited players in the beta, which for a time was the only way to be in beta, and currently have a significant number in beta now.

Edited by Minsc, 17 September 2012 - 08:16 AM.

[Genghis Black Death Khan]

By the time this game is ready we'll probably have moved on to something else

[BlackArab]

Myg, on 17 September 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

blackarab, that is true.

I have noted this possibility myself and personally would not mind if we were banned from playing for the first month of release

It shouldn't take too long to get used to the little quirks and whatnot and im pretty sure alot of the beta guys would love to share what they learned as well.

Part2:

HOLY CRAP, SERIOUSLY FOLKS.

I PAID FOR A HEADSTART DAMMIT, THATS WHY I WENT BALLS DEEP

YOU OTHER BROTHERS CANT DENY!

The difference is I am aware of the problem this brings up and that is why I don't mind skipping a bit of time or just playing with default stuff until the rest are ready to rock. :-)

Its up to us to make this deal sweet; so taking responsibility can only make things better for everyone.

lol they know its true.
Just hope I havent painted a target on my Back in game.

[Myg]

Minsc: No, no; lets not be in denial here bro.

Yes we *will* definetly have a head start, no matter what happens.

Even if we share everything; we still have all the muscle/mind training to go with the techniques, they don't.

Look; the only way to make sure the transition goes as smooth as possible is if we look down at our newbie comrades and enemies with gentle love, until they can take a proper fist pounding into the ground

Which is something some of us, me included; would be glad to do.

Pretty sure it wont take a month tho, maybe a week or two ; as long as theres no technical hiccups.

Edited by Myg, 17 September 2012 - 08:24 AM.

[Dymitry]

FEK315, on 17 September 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

All I know is the community is what destroyed Armored core 5.
In North America From sold 32000 copies in the first week. That was around 8 months ago. Now there are about 200 people left playing. 80 percent of the loss is due to the community being unruly to each other, the rest is due to From and BandiNamco not careing about patching it's game.

I beg to disagree. Armored core has always tried to appeal to a casual gamer fan of japanese sci fi stompy robots. It has always been niche in the western world.
The industry, in particular the mainstream console titles one, is purely blockbuster driven, and increasingly so.
Ask 100 console gamers if they even know what AC is, let alone which one is out in the shops.
Then ask how many ******* you can **** in GTA/SR something.
Going console only is a shoot in the foot. A lot of gamers go in a shop, have 40£ in their pocked, and they buy fifa or the next COD or what has been advertised the most. I cannot recall a single add for AC5.
Had minecraft came out as an indie game on Xbox marketplace or PSstore, I am not sure the Mojang guy would be sitting on a golden chair.

Frigging Call of duty 12, that has been the same **** in the last 4 years or so sells by the bucketload.
Do you think that BF and MW comunities, are better? I cannot testify for WoT, since I have never played it, but I heard its quite full of obnoxious ***** too.
I randomly play both games, if what I see in game is at any level a reflection of the comunity, this one is way ahead.
Just check the average age of the users in here. That alone makes for a (mostly, the internet is full of keyboard warriors) better gaming experience.

[Tannhauser Gate]

Sorry, Black Arab. Your concerns have been answered in stickies so your post is simply a rage quit post without asking for opinions or feedback. Imo, this is a troll thread ripe for flaming and should be closed by an admin.

[Bhodi Li773]

People who buy founder's may have an advantage in piloting etc but that will only last for a little while.Fans will play and get skilled just like any founder did. My experience is that people who "buy" their games to pawn others are usually not as skilled and are more concerned with being "leet". They depend on what they buy to get them through.I'm not saying that all founder's are unskilled just the few who are buying to compensate for less ingame xp.The biggest point people are missing is that this is a co-operative game to fulfill a mission or objective.The winner's will be those who work with their lancemates/fellow players not any single player killing the opposing force by themselves.Any player ,founder or not,will be a smoking junkpile before that would happen.Saying that ,I will be buying a founder's package to support the game.I may get smoked by a founder or other Mechwarrior I don't really care .I just want to have fun with everyone online.

[deadeye mcduck]

Does OP not know that there will be a Open Beta that ANYONE can join in.

Also I will translate OP's post for all:

"Wheres my Beta invite, i wantz in NOAW!!!!!"

[Dymitry]

Myg, on 17 September 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Minsc: No, no; lets not be in denial here bro.

Yes we *will* definetly have a head start, no matter what happens.

Even if we share everything; we still have all the muscle/mind training to go with the techniques, they don't.

Look; the only way to make sure the transition goes as smooth as possible is if we look down at our newbie comrades and enemies with gentle love, until they can take a proper fist pounding into the ground

Myg, on 17 September 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

blackarab, that is true.

I have noted this possibility myself and personally would not mind if we were banned from playing for the first month of release

It shouldn't take too long to get used to the little quirks and whatnot and im pretty sure alot of the beta guys would love to share what they learned as well.

Part2:

HOLY CRAP, SERIOUSLY FOLKS.

I PAID FOR A HEADSTART DAMMIT, THATS WHY I WENT BALLS DEEP

YOU OTHER BROTHERS CANT DENY!

The difference is I am aware of the problem this brings up and that is why I don't mind skipping a bit of time or just playing with default stuff until the rest are ready to rock. :-)

Its up to us to make this deal sweet; so taking responsibility can only make things better for everyone.

You paid for a headstart. Silly if you ask me, considering how things are moving.
But, please, do not second guess my, or anyone else's intentions.

To reiterate OP, since you found a buddy in your crusade against I don't know exactly what, the only thing most of us care about is having a successful MW game. Surely there are people that do it to feel very l33t in the first 2 weeks or so, cannot deny that, but from what I have experienced, and done, most of us are in the closed beta TEST (remember the word, TEST) phase, to help the devs to create the best game possible for everyone to enjoy, and why not, because a lot of us have not played a decently rendered MW experience in 13 years, since MW3 came out, and we hold high expectation for this game.

The process is absolutely enjoyable, but in the end, for every exploit and trick and whatever that gets discovered, a brick for a better game is put in place.
You should be happy that you will play a game that has been tested and balanced over the feedback of so many people that care so much about a game to have spent a hefty sum on some videos and screenshots.

If you are still concerned, feel free to roll with me when you get into the beta. I shall keep no secrets.