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[HawkMech79]

I would say a lot of it depends on the pilot. however I will say the artwork for the Jenner mech is better than the Atlas if anyone refers to artists redintion of the original technical readouts of around 3025 and before 3049.

[pursang]

[EDMW]CSN, on 03 March 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Anyhow this is a team game. Your Assault Atlas might blow up the Scout Jenner but who in return might have given enough time for their commander or Catapults to send down an Arrow IV saturation on your hex.

Give and take, give and take.

And on the flip side of that, your Jenner can't scout if it's already destroyed. A proffecient enough pilot in an Atlas can be just as useful, if not more so then a Jenner pilot.

[renegade mitchell]

Mason Grimm, on 03 March 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

I have to disagree with this. Are you saying that Bruce Lee would lose to Mike Tyson? "Oh but they aren't even the same discipline" Well, neither are an Atlas or a Jenner. One is a Heavy ASSAULT mech and one is not; just as one is a martial artist and one throws punches in excess of 1200psi. Both come from different disciplines and both are experienced, skilled combatants. I think that on "any given Sunday" anything can happen. I also think that bigger isn't always better.

Obviously you have not played much previous MW games online, and I do not mean opens but leagues.

If you put Bruce Lee a 140 lbs guy against a 240 lbs guy with the same skill as he, Bruce Lee is toaste.

Edited by Renegade Mitchell, 03 March 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[EDMW CSN]

pursang, on 03 March 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

And on the flip side of that, your Jenner can't scout if it's already destroyed. A proffecient enough pilot in an Atlas can be just as useful, if not more so then a Jenner pilot.

Except in MWO you are not given the benefit of accurate aim to instant core a light.

If you are following the recent dev updates your torso weapons are of fixed aim, you can't move them around.
That is why there are 2 reticles, one for torso weapon and another for the arm.

The Atlas only has 2 medium lasers that arm mounted. So only your 2 lasers can make precise shots while your AC is pointing dead centre. The other weapon that will be of assistance is the SRM-6 which can lock on somewhat.

A skilled Jenner pilot should be fast enough mostly to keep out of your center line aim AC which is the biggest threat. Also with reticle convergence, it is likely an assault slow *** arm will take much longer to align than a light mech due to pure inertia.

So don't write off a light, just yet

[pursang]

[EDMW]CSN, on 03 March 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Except in MWO you are not given the benefit of accurate aim to instant core a light.

If you are following the recent dev updates your torso weapons are of fixed aim, you can't move them around.
That is why there are 2 reticles, one for torso weapon and another for the arm.

The Atlas only has 2 medium lasers that arm mounted. So only your 2 lasers can make precise shots while your AC is pointing dead centre. The other weapon that will be of assistance is the SRM-6 which can lock on somewhat.

A skilled Jenner pilot should be fast enough mostly to keep out of your center line aim AC which is the biggest threat. Also with reticle convergence, it is likely an assault slow *** arm will take much longer to align than a light mech due to pure inertia.

So don't write off a light, just yet

Who said anything about instant coreing lights? You don't need to instantly destroy something to destroy it.

[EDMW CSN]

pursang, on 03 March 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Who said anything about instant coreing lights? You don't need to instantly destroy something to destroy it.

Legging a light is age old tactic but with the new aiming system, it might be extremely difficult.
But at the same time as long he is alive, he is feeding scout intel and raking up the xp.

Of course your assault can choose to ignore him which is fine by me

[Nighthound]

Omg, what are we talking about? Bruce Lee vs. Mike Tyson ....poor mikey.

Anywho, so tell me how will you defeat a guy that can run circles around you faster then u can turn? Are we talking Sandbox open plain backside of the actual map here? Sure if there are no obsticles you will most likely win. This is not a arena game however so u can not see me comming a mile of and even if you do i will be on a different street by the time your missiles reach the place you shot at. A Jenner is more then twice as fast as you.
And I thought we were talking about non modified Mechs here since this is supposed to be IS 3049. And if you can modify your mech so can I and I bet you do not want that! Just picture that same Jenner with one Arm mounted PPC Jumping just high enough to shoot over a building and then be gone for 20 to 30 seconds only to pop up at a totaly different location and repeating the game again and again, how do you think you can hit that? You are to slow to evade that PPC shot and I am to fast to be hit by anything but a Laser ...oh wait there are no Lasers that can shoot at PPC range.

I play Battletech for over 13 years now and I played all WechWarrior and MechCommander Titles, I have build some of the most unfair Designs you can think of and I know how to use them. Yeah maybe I am old with my 33 years but I know Battletech and I know that facing an Assault Mech with Light Mech is bad but it can be done, I can't count how man Atlas', Stalkers and what not I killed in a friggin Mongoose or with my P-Hawk given some obsticles. If it comes down to it an Atlas is just a big slow *** target to practice with.

[Mason Grimm]

Renegade Mitchell, on 03 March 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Obviously you have not played much previous MW games online, and I do not mean opens but leagues.

If you put Bruce Lee a 140 lbs guy against a 240 lbs guy with the same skill as he, Bruce Lee is toaste.

Again, I disagree. I have played in a few leagues and I know where you are going with that in terms of rational but again I disagree. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm gladdened to see you are so passionate about it; I just happen to think you are in error as is my right to do so

[3Xtr3m3]

You guys can keep arguing all you want as to which is better, I plan on becoming proficient in BOTH Jenners and Atlasses. I plan on having fun both RNGing, and being part of a team that helps pin you and yours down well enough that I can slow stroll up to you and "Bring the Heat" home to you. Atlas has srengths and weaknesses. So does the Jenner. I plan on being an expert in both by the time the Clans come calling.

My vote is BOTH.



Your thoughts?

[pursang]

[EDMW]CSN, on 03 March 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Legging a light is age old tactic but with the new aiming system, it might be extremely difficult.
But at the same time as long he is alive, he is feeding scout intel and raking up the xp.

Of course your assault can choose to ignore him which is fine by me

You're assuming that with the new aiming system, it may be extremely difficult - or it may be extremely easy. You're aslo assuming the light can relay data back to its commander immediatly under any and all conditions. You're also assuming that the assault pilot would choose to leg the light when it could almost just as easily destroy it outright.

Perhaps you should be leaving the assumptions out of your posts untill you get more detailed data as to how this game works? Just a thought.

ASSUME: Makes an *** out of you and me.

Edited by pursang, 03 March 2012 - 08:25 PM.

[Vengance Wolf 98]

i like the atlas better it looks like a ragnarock it was the best clan mech ive ever used

[Nethicus]

The Atlas can wreck a Jenner with one shot of the AC20. And the Jenner will spend most of it's time just trying to work through the Atlas' armor. Statistics lie with the Atlas.

A smart and skilled Jenner pilot can focus their fire. Blasting a leg to shreds is easier than working through torso armor. And if an Atlas can't move, it's as good as toast.

But again, the Jenner has to live long enough to wreck that leg....

[Sug]

That's like asking if I like barbecue sauce or chocolate sauce better. Both are good for different things.

Edited by Sug, 03 March 2012 - 10:32 PM.

[BarHaid]

Mason Grimm, on 03 March 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

I have to disagree with this. Are you saying that Bruce Lee would lose to Mike Tyson?

"Oh but they aren't even the same discipline"

Well, neither are an Atlas or a Jenner. One is a Heavy ASSAULT mech and one is not; just as one is a martial artist and one throws punches in excess of 1200psi. Both come from different disciplines and both are experienced, skilled combatants.

One of the finest analogies I've heard in quite a while! It makes me want to watch this fight again and again. Fortunately, I soon will be able to!

[FACEman Peck]

Atlas, the one I remember (in MW4 Mercs), it had Gauss and PPC, I'd go with that one, if for last resort. The new one, it's biggest gun is an AC20, with some Medium Lasers, SRM and an LRM. Sadly.

[Thom Frankfurt]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... I'm pretty sure the title on this post is Atlas or Jenner? Which mech do you like more?

Not Atlas vs. Jenner.

It's apples and oranges really, which do you prefer. DPS or scouting.

[LordDeathStrike]

early on you need to use the weight classes you have the literal in game xp for, if youre only trained in lights and some into med mechs, and you use a heavy or an atlas, youre gonna get rocked, thats the rpg component here, you have piloting skills that need to be leveled, and then you need to use the mech and level it as well.

personally im positive that in urban maps, my well trained mediums skills and my hunchback/hunchback IIc when we get to that era, will rock your atlas when i sneak up on him or even ambush his face with ac shells and laser fire, sure hes armored and packin, but im scrappy, packin (in the case of the IIc im actually gonna hit harder hten the atlas at point blank range, and im still small enough to get under his guns in his face)

in concerns to the bruce lee mike tyson thing

tyson punches for 1200 psi, theres a 111 pound monk using brice lees 1 inch punch that can punch for over 1800 psi with the 1 inch punch (cant actually measure bruces since he died years ago but its his technique and this monk is a could substitute)

Edited by LordDeathStrike, 03 March 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Sug]

Tyson or Bruce Lee?

[LordKelvin]

I've never been a big fan of slow 'Mechs, even heavily armed and armored ones, it's far more fun to use your wits and maneuverability to hit the other guy from angles that he doesn't expect you from. How much firepower you're capable of putting out or absorbing doesn't matter if the other guy can't react to your moves.

But then again, I'm the kind of guy who plays Scout a lot in TF2, and ganks Heavies with no effort.

[FrozenWaltDisney]

Well TBH I think the favorite would be on the situation. An atlas would make a great distraction if you had a very fast first strike lance that depends on keeping the enemy distracted while attacking the flanks.

That being said, overall I think the Jenner has the maximum flexibility over the largest amount of lances, whereas the Atlas is useful in very specific objective or task.