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[OnLashoc]

Again, if you are not in favor of playing 3PV, then don't play it and stick to FFP servers.

Just like if I as a 3PV player, don't like FFP, I would not go into a FFP server.

Now why would you "Force" all players to play FFP? Would it be fair for 3PV players to force everyone to play 3PV? I don;t think some people are getting the point here. I'm not debating whats so great about FFP, or 3PV. I'm asking would you basically be for there to be a 3PV option at least server side, to allow those wanting to play in 3PV, to do so without interferring with those that just like FFP only.

Do you understand?

[theginganinja]

I've always preferred first-person view - it gives me the feeling of actually being in the 'Mech. I only ever used 3rd person in the MW4 multiplayer, because annoying people would manage to turn just about every match into a boring cover-based shooting match...

[Alistair Marsden]

I would love to see 3rd person perspective being available if battlefield-intel is available (eg: like shown in the trailer with that drone).

[taxman]

I think the Dev's have already indicated that it will be a first person perspective. They have also indicated that it will be different to what has gone before.

If the view from inside the cockpit in game is as good as the video, then I will be in Valhalla !!

Obviously I would expect gadgets like the recon satelite to have a CBill cost and also a tonnage implication.

The ideas in this new Mechwarrior Universe already have me drooling with anticipation.
Lets rock

[Ossie]

Skoll-, on 02 November 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:

Not to nitpick, but when did they decide to give 3rd Person in Air Warrior?

It was planned for one of the final releases but it was never implemented. I talked to some of the developers at the last con in Seattle (2000ish?) shortly before the game folded.

By never implemented, I believe the game folded prior to that update. They had already created and demo'd the 3rd person view at that con.

Edited by Ossie, 02 November 2011 - 04:23 PM.

[AJC]

arguments like these are why i'm embarrassed by the tards of the community who complain about every thing that doesn't go their way. personally will take what ever happens in strides and seek out all complainers and blow them up to shut them up.

[OnLashoc]

taxman, on 02 November 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

I think the Dev's have already indicated that it will be a first person perspective. They have also indicated that it will be different to what has gone before. If the view from inside the cockpit in game is as good as the video, then I will be in Valhalla !! Obviously I would expect gadgets like the recon satelite to have a CBill cost and also a tonnage implication. The ideas in this new Mechwarrior Universe already have me drooling with anticipation. Lets rock

Hey Taxman, your sig is huge, and it's in 3rd Person. Might want to fix that

[taxman]

OnLashoc, on 02 November 2011 - 05:24 PM, said:

Hey Taxman, your sig is huge, and it's in 3rd Person. Might want to fix that

LOL Sorry but if you look closely you will see I was in the cockpit posing for the War Photographer.

[AJC]

indifferent but really hoping that it caters to both view point tastes for previous players regardless of what they feel about the cheapness.

people will whine about anything when they lose.

Edited by AJC, 02 November 2011 - 06:42 PM.

[Phades]

Lock it in the cockpit, unless you allow mods of the mech to involve gun cams or odd mounted cams in various directions. Then only allow monitor views of them. Let the cams get destroyed as well in addition to satellite views and hacking enemy sats/surveillance craft. (Note: seeing the return of actual support vehicles would be nice)

Hate 3rd person view as it gives too much field of view and is very easily abuse-able.

[CrunchTheRobot]

Personally, I prefer third person view over first. It really doesn't matter to me what view I have to use, but I think that players should be able to choose the view that they prefer most.

[Roh]

Third person is NEVER sitting on top of whatever you are playing in games. It is floating several feet to several yards in the case of something then size of a mech... behind and above the mech. I don't care how advanced they are... Wasting resources to give people permanent floating camera drones that can resist the rigors of battle for any extended period of time as an absolutely retarded idea.

Now cameras mounted on the mech allowing you to bring up a monitor view of various directions is very reasonable.. But has absolutely NOTHING to do with third person view.

[OnLashoc]

Roh, again nobody is forcing you to like 3PV or play in 3PV or against 3PV players.

Just suggesting us 3PV players to be able to play it the way we like it against those that like 3PV as well.

This can be achieved by making a server side option restricting the server to 1st Person View only or Allowing 3rd Person view.

Edited by OnLashoc, 02 November 2011 - 07:20 PM.

[rollermint]

Sum Ting Wong, on 02 November 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

Third person MUST be included for at least recording sake. No one's going to want to watch a matchup or other gameplay footage through the cockpit of a mech.

I actually would prefer to watch it from the First person view.

In any case, I'm pretty indifferent if they allow both views. I do like to look and admire the view of mech from outside.

[UncleKulikov]

Toonarmy, on 02 November 2011 - 10:44 AM, said:

Make it both, so people have a choice, if you dont like 3rd person just dont press the button to use it. how hard is that.

3rd person has an advantage over first person, they aren't equal. There isn't anything "hard" about it, but there are balance concerns.

[Roh]

OnLashoc, on 02 November 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

Roh, again nobody is forcing you to like 3PV or play in 3PV or against 3PV players.

Just suggesting us 3PV players to be able to play it the way we like it against those that like 3PV as well.

This can be achieved by making a server side option restricting the server to 1st Person View only or Allowing 3rd Person view.

No, I don't agree. I don't feel games should try to cater to everyone. I feel that is actually one of the greatest blights on the gaming world. Trying to make a game everyone will like and ending one with something so watered down and bland that no one really cares about it after the first few hours.

Now I don't think everything should go MY way. Just feel a little more focus and polish on nitch genre games would be good. And I wasnt ranting about your wanting third person. I was ranting about the ridiculous argument that it makes perfect sense and should be seen as a must canon addition to the game!! People. It isnt. Just say you want it because you want it. Add reasonable points if you want... But saying that in this fictional setting it would make sense.. does not make sense.

This isnt a setting with redonculous flying machines like gundam or some ****. There are no silly super powers with no reasonable explination. In it's own way battletech and MW make sense. And any reasonable technological excuse you could make fit the setting.. Would also make no sense because the actual pilots.. Wouldnt care.. The extreme cost of it would be pointless... As if you are fighting for your life inside of a giant robot.. You care more about the view from your position outward... then the one a short distance behind and above you.

Its a purely gameplay feature for the enjoyment of users... Nothing wrong with those things. 3rd person isnt one of the ones I want but there are plenty of the sort I do want so I can enjoy the game. Just dont go arguing that it is anything else... It's annoying to those of us who don't want it in.



Also anyone else find Taxman's Sig a bit obnoxious? Pretty pic and all but I don't want to be in any thread he posts in too often. Too much needless scrolling.

Edited by roh, 02 November 2011 - 07:36 PM.

[OnLashoc]

And it's annoying to those of us that do want it to hear your arguements stating WHY we shouldn't have the ability to play it that way.

I could care less about the romance and novals and love for "realistic simulator ****". However I do not want arcade mech assault either.

I want a solid game that has similarities of MW4 with today's computing power. Plain and simple.

[Roh]

OnLashoc, on 02 November 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

And it's annoying to those of us that do want it to hear your arguements stating WHY we shouldn't have the ability to play it that way.

I could care less about the romance and novals and love for "realistic simulator ****". However I do not want arcade mech assault either.

I want a solid game that has similarities of MW4 with today's computing power. Plain and simple.

LoL Are you drunk? Or over tired. I, seemingly unlike you, don't mind reasonable and honest arguments in favor of 3rd person view. What I don't like is nonsense that seems like a poorly thought out excuse to try and sway the argument.. or a flat out lie. You reasons make sense. I can see your point of view. I don't care and really hope you don't get the game you want.. But at least it's an honest statement put out there in the open.

[AJC]

ugh i think both sides should just shut up the **** up and deal with whatever we get.

it's stuff like this is why i feel mechwarrior will always have fanbase issues because they don't stop arguing over stuff like this.

[Phelan PK Kell]

From the game FAQ...and I quote:

Q. Will you be able to switch from first-person to third-person views?

A. The game is played from the first person. We’re exploring ways to have a third person camera that make sense from a gameplay point of view.

'nuff said...and Hooah Devs!