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[LogicSol]

Technically, if you took the human out of a mech and Granted a remote control system into it, it becomes a robot.

[Idealsuspect]

Debio, on 05 October 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

i undestand that a robot is a machine built to perform some task, but i see a mech as being as much of a robot as a car or a tank. if someone does not know what a mech is, i would explain that it is a humanoid-shaped machine piloted by a person - not a "giant robot". what do you think?

are you 8 years old ? if i was 8 year old i could explain you that fire burn and water is wet

[CrashieJ]

isn't 'robot' a Czechoslovakian word meaning "forced labor" or something? we are forcing these metal hunks into fighting each other for our will... so yeah... robots works.
I know 'sabot' means shoe and that's how we got the word 'sabotage'


also... screw George Lucas for copyrighting the word 'droid'

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I would say that they simply aren't very smart. Robot means something that is automated, which is what we would have if they piloted themselves. A Mech however is something with a Human driving it. It's a very simple difference regardless of how similar they may look.

[Brien]

Because it is fun to say BIG STOMPY ROBOTS

[Atlessa]

Zerex, on 05 October 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

• VT (vertical tank) ----- steel battlion
  
• Mech ----- battletech
  
• Core ----- Armored core
  
• Labor ----- Patlabor
  
• Hound ----- Chromehounds
  
• Gears ----- Heavy gear
  
• Gundams ----- Gundam
  
• VF's (variable fighters) ----- Macross
  
• Titans ----- Warhammer 40,000
  
• Jox ----- Robojox

Arm Slave ---- Full Metal Panic
Armor Suit ---- Ghost in the Shell
EVA ---- Neon Genesis Evangelion (I know they're technically biological/androids but...)
Humaniform-Emulation Roboticized Combat Unit with Leg-Articulated Navigation (HERCULAN or Herc) ---- Earthsiege/Starsiege
Landmate ---- Appleseed
MFM (Martian Fighting Machine) ---- (Jeff Wayne's) The War of the Worlds
Ride Armor ---- Mega Man X
Sonic Diver ---- Sky Girls
Zord/Megazord ---- Power Rangers


I feel so nerdy now <.<

Edited by Atlessa, 05 October 2012 - 06:17 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

Atlessa, on 05 October 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Arm Slave ---- Full Metal Panic
Armor Suit ---- Ghost in the Shell
EVA ---- Neon Genesis Evangelion (I know they're technically biological/androids but...)
Humaniform-Emulation Roboticized Combat Unit with Leg-Articulated Navigation (HERCULAN or Herc) ---- Earthsiege/Starsiege
Landmate ---- Appleseed
MFM (Martian Fighting Machine) ---- (Jeff Wayne's) The War of the Worlds
Ride Armor ---- Mega Man X
Sonic Diver ---- Sky Girls
Zord/Megazord ---- Power Rangers


I feel so nerdy now <.<

Armored Trooper (AT) ---- Armored Trooper VOTOMs
Guymelef ---- Escaflowne
E-Frame ---- ExoSquad
Orbital Frame ---- Zone of the Enders
Megadeus ---- The Big O
Battle Engine ---- Battle Engine Aquila
Scoobee ---- Phantom Crash/S.L.A.I.
Unit ---- Bio-Booster Armor Guyver (bio-mechanical powered armor)
Zoid ---- Zoids
OOPART/Dolem ---- RahXephon

Edited by Strum Wealh, 05 October 2012 - 06:30 PM.

[Joanna Conners]

Debio, on 05 October 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

i undestand that a robot is a machine built to perform some task, but i see a mech as being as much of a robot as a car or a tank. if someone does not know what a mech is, i would explain that it is a humanoid-shaped machine piloted by a person - not a "giant robot". what do you think?

People are silly.

[Zerex]

its got nothing to do with "differances" between robots and Mechs as they are the same thing. the only differance is we choose to give a certian group of robots (Mechs from battletch) names, which then have some sort of copyright or licence added to that group of robots.

Robot is the family name of any thing robotic, manned or unmanned. Mech is the name of Robots from the battletech universe.
Just like a helicopter isn't an Areoplane, glider or space shuttle, they are names of a types of flying machine.

Idealsuspect, on 05 October 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

are you 8 years old ? if i was 8 year old i could explain you that fire burn and water is wet

well why didn't u then? or are u just trolling peoples forums for fun.

There is no differance really between Mechs and zoids apart from the fictional universes they come from, they are both robots and uninformed people aren't wrong to call them robots, they just don't know/care the names to that certian set of Robots.

FYI Mech is short for the word Mechanoid which means mechanical humanoid. so even given that most of the Mechs in battletech don't look very human. do we still call them Mechs?
of course we do, its their name!!

Edited by Zerex, 05 October 2012 - 11:57 PM.

[Adridos]

gavilatius, on 05 October 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

isn't 'robot' a Czechoslovakian word meaning "forced labor" or something?

Robot is directly taken from "robota", which means "work". Interpret it as you will.

[Vassago Rain]

We call them gundams.

[xhrit]

Because most of the Battletech mechs were taken from Robotech.

Battle.

Robots.

Tech.

[Predator01cz]

Robot is a czech word.

Robiť means "to work"

Thus Robots = workers, meaning mechanical workers,

Mechanical arms on assembly lines are called robots. Remotely controled machines made for the purpose of work (army robots deactivating bombs,...)

Mechwarriors are not robots, they do not work, they are vehicles just like tanks, or helicopters,.... you don't call an airplane a robot.

However if mechwarriors would have their own AI, or were remotely controlled, then they could be called robots.

[Ragor]

Robot: AI controlled, autarchic working machine within its (self-)programmed parameters or remote controlled by a human.

Cyborg: Human brain and body with artifical replacement(s) of human 'parts' (up to whole the body except the human brain.)

Mech: A machine, directly controlled (piloted) by a human being.



-> The famous 'Terminator' is by definiton a robot.
-> The Star Trek Borgs are cyborgs.
-> The 'Universal Soldiers' are cyborgs as well.
-> Transformers are robots.

Edited by Ragor, 06 October 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[Zerex]

Predator01cz, on 06 October 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Robot is a czech word.

Robiť means "to work"

Thus Robots = workers, meaning mechanical workers,

Mechanical arms on assembly lines are called robots. Remotely controled machines made for the purpose of work (army robots deactivating bombs,...)

Mechwarriors are not robots, they do not work, they are vehicles just like tanks, or helicopters,.... you don't call an airplane a robot.

However if mechwarriors would have their own AI, or were remotely controlled, then they could be called robots.

i love how u have gone for the root meaning of the word not the modern day meaning, which in no way helps in this topic.

my point of fact is i'm a plumber by trade, "plumber" taken from the latin word of "plumbum" meaning Lead (metal) and/or depending on where u read or who u ask "plumb-bob" which was a pointed lead weight for checking things where plumb. as plumbers no longer use lead (in some cases its illegal to) the root meaning of the word has nothing to do with modern plumbers.

i belive that this is the case here as the word "Robot" is used far more wide spread than just the root meaning of worker, it is now a family name used to descibe any automated or mechanical machinary.

[Adridos]

Zerex, on 06 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

i belive that this is the case here as the word "Robot" is used far more wide spread than just the root meaning of worker, it is now a family name used to descibe any automated or mechanical machinary.

Čapek should've just called it a laboř and be done with it. No misconceptions that way.

Generally speaking, the word still describes an automated machine that can "sense" the enviroment and interact with it with some kind of individuality. For instance, a factory robot fulfills these requirements because it recognizes it's moves, can interpret them to do the same thing again and has a programmable UI installed that can be programmed to carry out the task it carried out before, or the one you "told" it to make (by programming it in such way).

Predator01cz, on 06 October 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Robiť means "to work"

Yes, but that's a Slovak word. Czechs only say dělat.

[Zerex]

Adridos, on 06 October 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Generally speaking, the word still describes an automated machine that can "sense" the enviroment and interact with it with some kind of individuality. For instance, a factory robot fulfills these requirements because it recognizes it's moves, can interpret them to do the same thing again and has a programmable UI installed that can be programmed to carry out the task it carried out before, or the one you "told" it to make (by programming it in such way).

i'm not sure if ur agreeing or disagreeing with me here

i think alot of people are missing the point of the OP, he asked why people why call mechs robots and not mechs and as i've said its just down to the masses using the robot to describe a mechanical machine, for the people saying "u wouldn't call an areoplane a robot" (apart from Macross) no of course u wouldn't as it already has a family name of Aeroplane with sub types like bomber, fighter, recon. transport, command centre and so forth. its just being overly picky to correct someone when they say "did u see that plane" and then u say "well, it was actually a transporter plane" and then stood there and listed what makes a transporter a transporter and not just any old plane.

what we know as Mech's, Labor's, Zoids and Gears are all robots, its just as Nerds we are overly protective of these words, or would u prefer it if people who didn't know anything this culture started playing this game and saying "wow cool Transformers" i think a few of u might have a heart attack.

let them call them mechs, robots, as their not wrong, their just not fully right either. but thats better than them getting it totally wrong

[ZnSeventeen]

I would say mostly because people are a bit lazy, or stick to what is familiar to them. There are still people who call dolphins and whales fish. They aren't, but they are similar, so people just default to what they know. Robots should be fully or nearly autonomous, and most mechs are not fully autonomous. But robot has become so commonly used, and is normally used to describe android robots. So people now skip saying android robot, and just say robot. Then, when something that looks like an android robot pops up, they call it a robot.

It used to bug me a lot, but as long as they aren't calling them fish I will be alright.

Edited by ZnSeventeen, 06 October 2012 - 02:41 PM.

[Deathz Jester]

Why does this thread exist....

[Zerex]

Iron Harlequin, on 06 October 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Why does this thread exist....

in the persuit of truth and knowledge

more to the question is why are u posting on it?

Edited by Zerex, 06 October 2012 - 02:46 PM.