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[itchies]

NONE! I will oppose the clans with every breath of my Innersphere being. They will be pushed back and destroyed like the rabid dogs that they are.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

Jaroth Winson, on 11 November 2011 - 10:40 AM, said:

{I’m 100% right all the time}

Congratulations, you’re worse of a Battletech nerd than I am; you live out a fictitious factions mantra to the letter online, discussions be damned. I truly tip my neurohelmet to you. I thought I was bad when I tried applying critical thought to these circumstances, crunching numbers, running possible scenarios in my head; but you...you win man, what you have won? I dunno.

[Glare]

What, don't I get a congratulations too? I'm hurt.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Aaron DeChavilier, on 11 November 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

Congratulations, you’re worse of a Battletech nerd than I am; you live out a fictitious factions mantra to the letter online, discussions be damned. I truly tip my neurohelmet to you. I thought I was bad when I tried applying critical thought to these circumstances, crunching numbers, running possible scenarios in my head; but you...you win man, what you have won? I dunno.

Not at all. In fact if you looked at some of the threads I post in you would see that there have been times where people make points I cannot refute. You had to have seen this coming though. The FWL?

I love discussions, in the hope that people will make points or arguments that I have to really think over or research before I reply. It has been going swimmingly well so far. I was never trying to outscore you. I tip my neurohelmet to YOU sir. You kept me sharp with your posts.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 11 November 2011 - 11:48 AM.

[Chris Fetladral]

Must be Wolves. As such, I pledge all I am as a warrior to protect the ARDC as well as the Kell Family.

Our crusader brothers should reunite with us, so we shall clip more birds.

[Hodo]

Alizabeth Aijou, on 11 November 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

Or post-jihad, the might of the combined FWL-remnants.

Clans were introduced in what, 1990 (Battle for Twycross scenario book)?
I think that WH40k was still called Rogue Trader back in those days.
And did they really have sales that awesome?

Actually yes they did. While Battletech was just starting to play with actual minis made of lead. W40k RT, was using more minis, in a very visual tabletop setting without hexes or squares.

This is partly why 40k is STILL around and Battletech died, and cameback under a different company.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

Hodo, on 11 November 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

Actually yes they did. While Battletech was just starting to play with actual minis made of lead. W40k RT, was using more minis, in a very visual tabletop setting without hexes or squares.

This is partly why 40k is STILL around and Battletech died, and cameback under a different company.

that and apparently FASA was a major bungler through and through

[Alizabeth Aijou]

Hodo, on 11 November 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

Actually yes they did. While Battletech was just starting to play with actual minis made of lead. W40k RT, was using more minis, in a very visual tabletop setting without hexes or squares.

This is partly why 40k is STILL around and Battletech died, and cameback under a different company.

Origins are also different, tbh.
BattleTech started out as a ruleset, Warhammer started out as a free pamphlet send with the miniatures that your ordered (first edition Warhammer Fantasy, that is). Games Workshop, and by extension, the warhammer franchise, is still a miniatures-driven business. BattleTech isn't, its rules/novel driven.

[Hawkcrest]

Jaroth Winson, on 11 November 2011 - 10:40 AM, said:

This is flawed on so many levels. Did you use might & FWL in the same sentence? Please you are speaking about ONE part of the IS coming to the aid of the whole when the whole was getting crushed? Seriously? Did you think this through? You have nothing to raise with. Remember there are originally 4 active invasion Clans, Wolf, Jade Falcon, Ghost Bear & Smoke Jaguar. The Steel Vipers & the Nova Cats were activated as reserves only at a certain point but still in total 6. There were 11 Clans left who could had they been involved as well ripped a hole through the IS as never had seen before. If 4 Clans initially, then 6 a little while later, did so much damage, what makes you think the arrival of 11 more would not end the IS way of life as they knew it?

Your description of Comstar is inaccurate. Were they the protectors of Terra? this is true but as they say the ends cannot justify the means. They DID put themselves between the Clans & Terra; the problem is they did not do it for honor, but for greed. Comstar had been dealing with the Clans prior to the invasion & it is only when they learned that Terra was the prize that they decided to oppose the Clans. They met with strangers to discuss the invasion of their own universe! If it was Hanse Davion or Takashi Kurita I would not mind, but strangers? They protected Terra only because they wanted it for themselves. What do you mean worth taking? If I take everything from you it is ALL worth it. The Clans did not need IS reproduction for anything as their tech was by far superior. They could have razed the planets & built over factories, mills etc.

Again Clan Wolf shows that they do things a lot more efficiently than other Clans. Taking a planet is a lot less problematic than with other Clans. Administration is usually left up to the people that were already there & the switching out from front line to garrison warriors is seamless.

Not that I really want to **** in here, but I feel its necessary to correct a few issues here. The clans were made up of the original SLDF who left during the exodus, we all know this, taking with them and hiding alot of tech all over the innersphere as caches if and when they would return. Comstar was the remnants of those forces left behind to defend the terran core from the various houses, each of whose mission was corrupted over several centurys.

The clans while having numerous forces created in the genetic labs, in thier initial forray into unknown space settled into 5 planetary systems, there they developed thier caste system, eventually infighting forced them to leave the intial homeworlds and expand further into unknown space...no one really knows how far the clans expanded, or how much resources they developed, except to say that those that invaded the innersphere were the ones that said they could do it with the least ammount of resources. Hence I would venture to say that they "The Clans" were far from being stretched thin given they comitted a fraction of the homeworld forces they were capable of bringing to bear.

However, given that the Clan invasion went as far as it did and ultimatly was stopped, you should take into account, the initial invasion was a surprise to the innersphere, and the houses like the clans had fought for years against one another. Many starleauge era caches were found, and comstar being a former SLDF group was able to supply those mechs and technology to the house units when the time came.

Could the clans defeat the innersphere, mabe, however as was proven, the innersphere is fully capable of handing the clans thier *** on any given day, especially after they learned thier tactics. Kerensky as a leader was great, but all great generals have thier failings, and there were many great leaders in the new innersphere who were obviously capable of defeating the tactics that kerensky handed down over the years that the clans ingrained in thier children from the sibko to the Star

Edited by Hawkcrest, 11 November 2011 - 03:13 PM.

[Ivan Tseng]

Ghost Bear or Wolf.

[Zakatak]

I'm not a Clanner, but from what I read, I have found Ghost Bear most likeable. I choose Ghost Bear.

"Jade Falcon" sounds really sissy. I like the name "Diamond Shark" but they are pretty much the whores of the clans.

[Hodo]

Alizabeth Aijou, on 11 November 2011 - 01:40 PM, said:

Origins are also different, tbh.
BattleTech started out as a ruleset, Warhammer started out as a free pamphlet send with the miniatures that your ordered (first edition Warhammer Fantasy, that is). Games Workshop, and by extension, the warhammer franchise, is still a miniatures-driven business. BattleTech isn't, its rules/novel driven.

Thats what I am saying. Battletech started as a ruleset with some cardboard cut out pieces, and some flat hex grid maps. Meanwhile Gamesworkshop came up with some rules set in a 3d mini based universe that worked. Granted it became much smoother and faster over time.

Aaron DeChavilier, on 11 November 2011 - 01:00 PM, said:

that and apparently FASA was a major bungler through and through

FASA was also killed by the Harmony Gold Lawsuit over the use of several images from their anime and mangas. If I remember they were the... Wasp, Stinger, Pheonix Hawk, Griffon, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, Archer, Warhammer, Rifleman, Locust, and a few others I cant remember right now.

[madman]

Wolf, naturally. Kerensky's chosen will ever prevail, quiaff?

[Glare]

Hodo, on 11 November 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

FASA was also killed by the Harmony Gold Lawsuit over the use of several images from their anime and mangas. If I remember they were the... Wasp, Stinger, Pheonix Hawk, Griffon, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, Archer, Warhammer, Rifleman, Locust, and a few others I cant remember right now.

Way off. Harmony Gold never actually brought forward a lawsuit over the "Unseen" designs. FASA pulled the images specifically to avoid legal action.

That, and FASA didn't go under until 2001. That's *checks math* more than 15 years after the images and artwork was pulled.

[Hodo]

Glare, on 11 November 2011 - 04:54 PM, said:

Way off. Harmony Gold never actually brought forward a lawsuit over the "Unseen" designs. FASA pulled the images specifically to avoid legal action.

That, and FASA didn't go under until 2001. That's *checks math* more than 15 years after the images and artwork was pulled.

The Lawsuit was in 1996. Harmony Gold v FASA- http://www.alex.kaem...ld_v._fasa.html

FASA went under 5 years later. Not 15. And the images werent pulled until after that lawsuit. I remember quite well that the WHM-6R Warhammer graced the cover of the Battletech Box for almost 15 years alone.

And seeing as Battletech was only 12 at the time of the lawsuit there is no way they pulled the art work some 15 years before the death of FASA. That would have been in the second year of Battletech. Hell I dont even think Second Edition was out yet, that was 1986.

I know Battletech, I have been playing it since before most of the posters on this forum were born. I am one of those rare old school gamers, who had the Aerotech box set, and the Battletech box set. I remember finding a old copy of the Battledroid box and buying it from a flea market in 1990. I currently have every edition of the FASA Battletech, along with every source book. I have a FS9 Firestarter sitting on the base of my monitor.

Your math is wrong.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Hodo, on 11 November 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

Thats what I am saying. Battletech started as a ruleset with some cardboard cut out pieces, and some flat hex grid maps. Meanwhile Gamesworkshop came up with some rules set in a 3d mini based universe that worked. Granted it became much smoother and faster over time.



FASA was also killed by the Harmony Gold Lawsuit over the use of several images from their anime and mangas. If I remember they were the... Wasp, Stinger, Pheonix Hawk, Griffon, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, Archer, Warhammer, Rifleman, Locust, and a few others I cant remember right now.

Yeah that had to have sucked big time. Oh well what can you do?

[CoffiNail]

Jaroth Winson, on 11 November 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Yeah that had to have sucked big time. Oh well what can you do?

Go back in time and lay the smack down on HG, if that lawsuit never happened FASA would still probably be going strong. Part that is irritating is the original license holders in Japan were all find and dandy with FASA using their designs, iirc even gave them the go ahead, it is awesome!!! Then HG comes together in America and like most American corps go, oh well we are not making any money, lawsuit time!!! If HG had screwed off, we could still have FASA, but CGL is just as good, as most of the employees are ex-FASA anyways. Plus I be trusting Herb and RNB to keep BT:TBG strong, and PGI will revive the MW franchisee like nothing we are expecting, which can only be good for CGL.

My hopes are that BT/MW will surge to heights not even imagined during it's reign in the 90s before HG.

BATTLETECH FOREVER!!!

Also Watch out Wolves, CGB is catching up, We were always meant to be the IlClan, I mean, look how many BT books we got the cover of

[GreyGriffin]

I think I'll serve on one of the Raven ships borrowed by the Falcons during the Invasion.

Oh, wait, in the game? ****.

[Traejun DiSanctis]

1. Ghost Bear
2. Coyote
3. Nova Cat

[Steel Wheel]

We are named for the Arcadian steel viper, a swift and terrible predator that coils around it's prey and paralyzes it with strong venom. It is a hunter without peer, and Nicholas Kerensky deemed it an ideal Clan totem.

We Vipers embody the strength of our namesake, which enabled our Clan to rise above a disaster in its early years that would have destroyed a lesser breed.

Edited by Steel_Wheel, 12 November 2011 - 07:04 AM.