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[Tha DoggFather]

Azantia, on 02 April 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Again, it was not meant to attack, merely to see who was here for conversation and who was a megalomaniac who wouldnt listen to a word anyone said.

Only people who believe it to be an attack, would be those who are offended by it, who I would put money on have ego problems.
Again, if that upset you, take a good hard look in the mirror.

I think you've made your point. You hate the idea of a CoC. Anything more than that, at this point, is clearly trolling. Otherwise I haven't the slightest idea why you are still visiting this thread.

[LordRush]

Welp...good meeting today fellas..lol
I think we got nearly three pages,hell..if that isnt dedication and the dev's dont put us into Beta with this kind of passion...I dont know who will!!
Speaking of the dev's..I bet Russ and gang are sitting back and watching this going "OMG"..lol
Bet you guys werent prepared for this eh?
Now..I think its time for cocktails at skippy's....Az and Jack are buying!!

[Azantia]

Tha DoggFather, on 02 April 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

I think you've made your point. You hate the idea of a CoC. Anything more than that, at this point, is clearly trolling. Otherwise I haven't the slightest idea why you are still visiting this thread.

Holy ****. You dont read / listen well do you? We have NO problem with the idea / formation of a Chain of Command, we can understand the strength in it. We have a problem with not making it fair to everyone based on an entitled, self-righteous older community who thinks they are better than everyone else. We are not necessarily talking about OURSELVES. We are talking about the rest of the house here. I myself have played league mechwarrior play since mechwarrior 3, and been playing battletech for 20 years this year. All we want to make sure of is that its fair for everyone, old and new, but after hearing your community response, we dont believe that you give a s*** about that and so we are off to form a community of people who are not self-righteous and entitled.

Why do we have to keep repeating this?

[nightsniper]

Azantia, on 02 April 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Amusing post, thanks Nightsniper.

Only people quantifying numbers here in, with regards to themselves, is you. So, who has the compensation problem? We are not thinking about ourselves, we are thinking about the house and greater community beyond yours. It is you guys who cant see past that.

Good luck with your group Nightsniper, I dont take things here personally like you do. Interesting coming from a 55 year old who claims I am a hot-head. Seriously amusing.

Az as usual you pick up on what you deem to be the sound bite. The size was posted of other groups as relevent a page or two back I mearly mentioned it in a partial response to that post that suggested size was a factor in the house organization. Try rereading the whole thread here I did before posting the post was not only for you. But your treating like it was you and you alone. As far as ego no I think again you need to read more, I have posted the fact that this game is likely to be very different than those in the past not only is it dealing with the old Genre that got us here now but it is hoping to be one of the hot new MMO's when it launches. Certainly the investors are hoping it is. The Economy is different today then in past where an established company like Microsoft or EA is challenged by Idies weekly with new hot products in the MMO arena. That said I will repeat my belief that a leadership is more then just saying I am a leader and Qin and Lord Rush have demonstrated over a long time those qualities necessary. Couch that with the size of the potential house and a real team leadership is going to be necessary. Which is why I am calling on those who read here to roll up their sleeves and offer to help not sit their jockeying for position.

I have a website and a game league for the many friends I have made over the years. In its organization I do lead mainly because I pay the bill and I want my friends to enjoy our hobby as much as I do. It is an open door and working with new players is priorty one. Some thing I learned from playing with House Davion. I am not interested in leading here I have offered to help in anyway I can. But unlike you I am not running on ego instead I am running on looking to make this game if it launches the best experience possible for my friends now and new ones I will make here. Nothing more.

By the way your flys down

[Azantia]

nightsniper, on 02 April 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Az as usual you pick up on what you deem to be the sound bite. The size was posted of other groups as relevent a page or two back I mearly mentioned it in a partial response to that post that suggested size was a factor in the house organization. Try rereading the whole thread here I did before posting the post was not only for you. But your treating like it was you and you alone. As far as ego no I think again you need to read more, I have posted the fact that this game is likely to be very different than those in the past not only is it dealing with the old Genre that got us here now but it is hoping to be one of the hot new MMO's when it launches. Certainly the investors are hoping it is. The Economy is different today then in past where an established company like Microsoft or EA is challenged by Idies weekly with new hot products in the MMO arena. That said I will repeat my belief that a leadership is more then just saying I am a leader and Qin and Lord Rush have demonstrated over a long time those qualities necessary. Couch that with the size of the potential house and a real team leadership is going to be necessary. Which is why I am calling on those who read here to roll up their sleeves and offer to help not sit their jockeying for position.

I have a website and a game league for the many friends I have made over the years. In its organization I do lead mainly because I pay the bill and I want my friends to enjoy our hobby as much as I do. It is an open door and working with new players is priorty one. Some thing I learned from playing with House Davion. I am not interested in leading here I have offered to help in anyway I can. But unlike you I am not running on ego instead I am running on looking to make this game if it launches the best experience possible for my friends now and new ones I will make here. Nothing more.

By the way your flys down

I will agree to disagree.

You have a gaming community that is better than everyone else, we know nightsniper, you guys have made that very very very very very clear.

We are all happy for you. Good luck with that group. We will see you in game and see who is who.

[Meneiupptus]

Size and numbers... heh. Long time ago I thought the same thing. I prefer good quality core now. Train them right and 10 can take on a hundred easilly... train them wrong and a hundred can die embrrassingly. Done both.

Nothing about that has anything to do with a Chain of Command.. or Chain of Communications which is what it really is. COC is an email, phone or in game alert roster and commuincations tool to make sure like minded / Allied guilds can work togethor. Its not about numbers and Conformity its about ease of control when moving to a stated goal. Chances are there will be people at the top of that Chain... we as players have to make sure those people do their job. And a job it will be... organizing an attack will take many hours of RL time. I have been there done that and I don't envy the poor fool who volunteers for that. BUT when they do, and they will, I will honor their dedication to House Davion's personnel and be right there with them. Who cares about Control... they don't control me and they won't control the House. Back in the day it worked incredibly well when players controlled Houses... one of my friends led HK.

Somewhere down the line someone got the idea that Command systems were bad... and cut the RPG out of the MMORPG. There are ways to do it correctly. Shadowbane got it right and they forged Empires. We, however are moving into EVE online's territory where the Houses are basically Headless and the Neuts are organized and vicious. Good plan... it worked well in EVE for awhile.

[LordRush]

Meneiupptus, on 02 April 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Somewhere down the line someone got the idea that Command systems were bad... and cut the RPG out of the MMORPG.

You aint lyin either...sad but true

[Dihm]

Meneiupptus, on 02 April 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Nothing about that has anything to do with a Chain of Command.. or Chain of Communications which is what it really is. COC is an email, phone or in game alert roster and commuincations tool to make sure like minded / Allied guilds can work togethor. Its not about numbers and Conformity its about ease of control when moving to a stated goal. Chances are there will be people at the top of that Chain... we as players have to make sure those people do their job. And a job it will be... organizing an attack will take many hours of RL time. I have been there done that and I don't envy the poor fool who volunteers for that. BUT when they do, and they will, I will honor their dedication to House Davion's personnel and be right there with them. Who cares about Control... they don't control me and they won't control the House. Back in the day it worked incredibly well when players controlled Houses... one of my friends led HK.

Somewhere down the line someone got the idea that Command systems were bad... and cut the RPG out of the MMORPG. There are ways to do it correctly. Shadowbane got it right and they forged Empires. We, however are moving into EVE online's territory where the Houses are basically Headless and the Neuts are organized and vicious. Good plan... it worked well in EVE for awhile.

Why do you have to have a "Prince" to handle communications between groups? Just call yourselves the House Davion Liaison Office or something. There already is a Prince and his name is Hanse. Who cares about control? Qin and LordRush seem to, otherwise they wouldn't insist on taking the positions of House leadership. For the 5 millionth time, players won't be allowed to control factions in MWO like they were allowed to in some of the past games (MPBT) or planetary leagues. The only people who can influence where attacks are made are the people at PGI, and MAYBE people with VERY high Loyalty Points within the faction. We don't know how it will work yet, and I'm sure PGI doesn't know exactly either, but this is NOT MPBT:3049.

If "control" isn't an issue, it really is simple to change what your calling yourself. By maintaining that you "lead" the house with a title like "Prince", all you do is confuse people who may or may not be aware that you hold NO authority over them in the game. You are putting on a false title and trying to give yourself a legitimacy that is nonexistent within MWO.

And seriously, talking about cutting out the RPG? It sure is good role play to ignore the story and setting of the game. Instead of trying to force the game to your will (good luck), adapt to what the game is offering and work with the systems it gives you. That aside, MWO has never, as far as I'm aware, been billed as being an MMORPG.

[Tha DoggFather]

Azantia, on 02 April 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Holy ****. You dont read / listen well do you? We have NO problem with the idea / formation of a Chain of Command, we can understand the strength in it. We have a problem with not making it fair to everyone based on an entitled, self-righteous older community who thinks they are better than everyone else. We are not necessarily talking about OURSELVES. We are talking about the rest of the house here. I myself have played league mechwarrior play since mechwarrior 3, and been playing battletech for 20 years this year. All we want to make sure of is that its fair for everyone, old and new, but after hearing your community response, we dont believe that you give a s*** about that and so we are off to form a community of people who are not self-righteous and entitled.

Why do we have to keep repeating this?

You and Jack have both said you don't at all support the CoC, in the way people have described it in this thread. So don't. You said yourself you are off to form a different community...so go do that. Leave this thread to the people that want to do it this way. I really don't understand why it's such a big deal to you. You describe self-righteous and entitled...you aren't coming off much better. It's almost like you are hoping if you stick around long enough complaining and calling people out that people will all of a sudden change their mind and see it your way. It's not going to happen, but you already know that. Thus, the trolling.

[Meneiupptus]

I do not care what anyone calls themselves in game. Rank and Titles are meaningless roleplay to me. Doesn't matter... to anyone. What is important is at every top of the chain of command or communications there is one person calling the shots... He could call himself or herself Mary for all I care. As long as we win.

For the FRR I suggest you not have a Prince as you seem opposed to it. And for the Merc units I recommend not having Bandit Princes cause you may be stepping on someone's toes...

King
General
Prince
Admiral
Star Commander
Mary

Really is there any difference?

[Jack Gallows]

Meneiupptus, on 03 April 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

King
General
Prince
Admiral
Star Commander
Mary

Really is there any difference?

Mary probably looks better in a dress?

[Dihm]

There seems to be to the people who want a House Davion CoC.

Also, Bandit KINGS (they aren't called Princes, that's a Davion thing) have no relation to mercenaries.

Also, we in the FRR seem to realize that we can't have a Prince, because there already is one, Elected Prince Haakon Magnusson. No one is trying to control the entire faction.

I can keep repeating myself, I don't mind being a broken record.

[Meneiupptus]

Ah good you have a Prince too... go talk to him Try your own forums. Personally I have been an Emporer and a God... several Emporers in fact. That still won't allow me the luxury of disrespect by posting in another House's forums while agitating a really good debate on pre-game communications and cooperation for the FRR. Not my style.

In House Davion we aren't poor or constrained.... we can have as many Princes as want to call themselves that. And just in case we have a whole bunch of House Leaders formerly known as Princes in reserve in this CoC from days gone by. Repeat yourself all you like FRR individual Dihm but just remember... this bus stops on a Dihm

[nightsniper]

Meneiupptus, on 03 April 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Ah good you have a Prince too... go talk to him Try your own forums. Personally I have been an Emporer and a God... several Emporers in fact. That still won't allow me the luxury of disrespect by posting in another House's forums while agitating a really good debate on pre-game communications and cooperation for the FRR. Not my style.

In House Davion we aren't poor or constrained.... we can have as many Princes as want to call themselves that. And just in case we have a whole bunch of House Leaders formerly known as Princes in reserve in this CoC from days gone by. Repeat yourself all you like FRR individual Dihm but just remember... this bus stops on a Dihm

Wow and I thought I was getting charged up. Look out!

Continueing the discussion in a civil tone, what is the real objection to a CoC? is it a personality thing? Is it all about Ego. Is it because you are the head of some faction from some other game and you want the recognition?
First and foremost the looking for some recognition let me know where you want the testimonial sent and I will start printing it and framing it for you. If it is about Ego that automatically disqualifies you in my book, their is no room for ego running around making my world suck So check it at the door or move on and lastly you have a problem with others in the game then hey that is your problem and certainly is a problem for a leader in an MMO that will see all kinds come through the door. Who wants to get dumped on by a jerk who does not like you (reason unknown) when you have come here to drop some cash and have fun and relax
Barring all three the need for some leadership in the RPG aspect of the game will help attract new players also a track record of setting up a control site outside of a game site will be critical for a COC to be at all effective and thus far the only ones I have seen are from Qin and Lord Rush so the rest of you are lacking in the simple basics to be a leader. Now will that stop you from playing a role in leadership and lending a hand to the organization? I suspect not but hey you have to store your baggage and roll up your sleeves. So far from the key protagonists here I have seen none of that.

I would just ad and ask that if you have something to offer that you back it up with more then words that is what the leader of what should be the largest house in MWO should do. And NO I do not mean that your going to spend the weekend building a mech in the garage to come and kick everyone butt that is the answer from a scoundrel and a bully and that is not a leadership quality. In my book that gets you little more then everyone's disdain not a vote for leadership.

Edited by nightsniper, 03 April 2012 - 08:06 AM.

[Dihm]

Meneiupptus, on 03 April 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Ah good you have a Prince too... go talk to him Try your own forums. Personally I have been an Emporer and a God... several Emporers in fact. That still won't allow me the luxury of disrespect by posting in another House's forums while agitating a really good debate on pre-game communications and cooperation for the FRR. Not my style.

In House Davion we aren't poor or constrained.... we can have as many Princes as want to call themselves that. And just in case we have a whole bunch of House Leaders formerly known as Princes in reserve in this CoC from days gone by. Repeat yourself all you like FRR individual Dihm but just remember... this bus stops on a Dihm

I can't talk to a fictional entity unfortunately. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, you've been an Emperor and a God? Okay... I guess you're telling me to go away because I'm not part of House Davion?

Small correction, it is "dim" instead of "dime".

nightsniper, on 03 April 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

Continueing the discussion in a civil tone, what is the real objection to a CoC? is it a personality thing? Is it all about Ego. Is it because you are the head of some faction from some other game and you want the recognition?

See entire thread.

Blackburn, Robinson, I look forward to continuing to work with you.

Edited by Dihm, 03 April 2012 - 09:17 AM.

[Jack Gallows]

Meneiupptus, on 03 April 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Ah good you have a Prince too... go talk to him Try your own forums. Personally I have been an Emporer and a God... several Emporers in fact. That still won't allow me the luxury of disrespect by posting in another House's forums while agitating a really good debate on pre-game communications and cooperation for the FRR. Not my style.

In House Davion we aren't poor or constrained.... we can have as many Princes as want to call themselves that. And just in case we have a whole bunch of House Leaders formerly known as Princes in reserve in this CoC from days gone by. Repeat yourself all you like FRR individual Dihm but just remember... this bus stops on a Dihm

I don often do this, but....

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=p7w64fbqYQY

And thanks Dihm, looking forward to playing with you guys.

[Meneiupptus]

I see that sarcasm is lost on some... sad but true. You can claim to have any title in a game... Civ 4 and Good vs Evil notwhithstanding. I don't mind you posting in Davion's area as long as it respects the nature of the House. I respect your forums and the players right to it. That being the FRR. If you want to demonstrate and rally against the CoC there I have no objections, but when you demonstrate and rally in our forums about our CoC thats just dirty pool old man. Don't **** in someone else's pond and claim its trying to clear the water... you are simply agitating not helping and that is something that Azantia has not done. Got some respect for Azantia as the ideas explained have a motive based on protecting the House and its players. I have none for someone that comes in and deliberately incites to disrupt.

[Dihm]

It isn't House Davion's CoC though, that's the point. House Davion in MWO has no CoC. There is a group within House Davion calling itself House Davion that is TRYING to represent itself as the larger House.

I'm trying to assist you gentlemen in realizing the nature of the game we will be playing, not agitating. No one seems to be listening.

[Meneiupptus]

No that is agitating. You pretty much spelled it out. You also missed the part about this being a voluntary thing... not required... not sanctioned by the game developers... which means you are quite literally disrupting other players from working on their in game alliance... on their declared House's forums. Now Azantia has an issue and is part of the House in question which means all rights are his or hers You however have none in this player run alliance.

[Tha DoggFather]

Dihm, on 03 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

It isn't House Davion's CoC though, that's the point. House Davion in MWO has no CoC. There is a group within House Davion calling itself House Davion that is TRYING to represent itself as the larger House.

I'm trying to assist you gentlemen in realizing the nature of the game we will be playing, not agitating. No one seems to be listening.

I completely understand what you're saying. And for the record, I don't even have a side in this argument, as I gave up playing the politics game years ago. However, if a group of people and regiments want to ban together to have an organized CoC for their playstyle, I really don't see how it's of any bother or consequence to you or anyone else. You guys are 100% correct in saying that no one has to listen, follow orders, or get involved at all...but I really think you'll be surprised at the amount of people that will want to. I guess we'll see.