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[anonymous175]

I liked Trial Awesome when I was using it.

[I Just Ate Your Grapes Bro]

Lavrenti, on 31 October 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

I think the Awesome is probably the best of the current trial mechs. I've had kills and wins with it, although not many of course. It's certainly no match for an Atlas or a custom Awesome, but none of the trial mechs are really capable of going toe to toe with an equivalent class custom mech, so it's certainly no worse than the others. And as other people have pointed out it doesn't overheat often and has a sensible set of weapons.
Personally, I think the trial Raven and Dragon are tied for worst - it takes a good pilot to get real value out of those.

Except when you pilot the Raven or Dragon, you aren't giving the team (generally) an Atlas to counter your Awesome... While the mech itself is in fact mobile, that is about the only thing it can do (and even that not well) at least in the Raven the opposition is stuck in another light. With the Dragon you could argue that it just gives the other team a streak cat/guass cat/LRM boat so that makes the Raven/Centurion arguably the best choice.

All that said, ultimately, it's a game, play how you want. If you dig the Awesome, don't let some forum post tell you not to pilot it. Just don't be that surprised when EVERYONE is coring you with the greatest of ease.

[lsp]

Awesomes are pretty terrible to begin with. They should be renamed the un awesome. The only one I've come across that made me concerned is the missle variant with srms' and med lasers and traveling as fast as a hunchback. Even then it would take a decent pilot to be effective. There CT is so HUGE, easy coring in a streak cat.

Edited by lsp, 01 November 2012 - 12:41 AM.

[Thuzel]

Bluten, on 31 October 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

The Awesome isn't as bad as you state but it is definitely counter effective for your team. The Awesome itself is basically just an inferior Atlas. By rolling an Assault you cause the enemy team to get +1 Assault. But since you're in the crappy one... you just your team at a disadvantage if the enemy +1 Assault is an Atlas.

Nah, it just has to be leveraged right. The problem is that people try to play an Awesome like they'd play an Atlas. That's a mistake, and a big one at that. The Awesome weighs 20 tons less than an Atlas and has hardpoints built for medium to long range, while the Atlas is usually an outright brawler.

One immediate advantage of the Awesome is engine efficiency. Throw in a larger engine, and that Awesome gains a huge mobility advantage over any Atlas. Combine that speed with some decent evasive maneuvers and you'll find that even though the Awesome has large hitboxes, it's very survivable. Plus, almost no one is really prepared for an Awesome rolling down on them at 60kph. Combine all of that with some medium range tactics, and you'll have no problem in the field.

I LOVE my fast awesome build, and I've bagged more than a few optimized Atlases.

[Siestrion]

I had the nightmare scenario of being on a team of 5 Trial Awesomes vs. a team with 5 Atlases in a PuG.
Ah... good times... for the other team.

[Grugore]

Lyteros, on 31 October 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

This topic made me litterally LOL.

The awesome is the only somewhat viable trialmech right now, and it sucks a lot. Does that not say pretty much everything about trials...?

Trials are broken, matchmaking is broken... it does not matter at all who drops with what, founders and premade always win. Choosing a even worse mech then the awesome will not help.

Its irrelevant if you get thrown against a maxed atlas or a maxed catapult or a maxed hunchback. Trials will always be the punching bag for the real mechs.

My team picked all trial mechs and won, so they can't be that bad.

[Dewil]

Last night we played in a full 8-man premade for the first time. We wanted to have some fun so we all jumped in trial Awesomes.

It was... you guessed it... Awesome!
We lined up and then advanced on a single line...


When we reached the other end of the crater, the entire team (that was aware of us being a premade) was hiding and we almost walked right past them. They had 2 Atlas, 2 custom Awesomes and 4 trial Awesomes. It was soo fun! (if you look at the minimap above, they were all in F5 so you can see how close we were before we saw them)

But it was too Awesome. The game crashed for 2 of our guys in the middle of the brawl and the end result:


And to the 3 guys in the bottom. I'm sorry that we focused on you initially and that you didn't get the time to have as much fun.

Edited by Dewil, 01 November 2012 - 02:33 AM.

[Shalune]

meteorol, on 31 October 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

The trail awesome may be a strong opponent to some mechs, but the it is simply no match for an atlas.
Problem is that it is very often balanced against an atlas.
Would be nice if the matchmaker would try to match the actuall weight, and not just the class of the mechs.

This isn't unique at all. Trial heavies will get matched with streak and gauss cats, trial mediums will get matched with hunchback laser+SRM boats and gauss+SSRM cents, trial lights will get matched against jenners that can effectively use all 4-6 lasers.

I'll echo what others have said. The AWS-8T is by far the best trial mech there is now, and is one of the best stock variants in the game.

[Paladin1]

ThreePi, on 31 October 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

I would just love it if they put an AMS on the trials. I hate being matched up with 5-6 trial mechs who die and barely do any damage. By giving them an AMS they'll at least provide SOME utility.

Sure, then they'd go charging in headlong and get slaughtered even faster because some ***** like you told them that AMS will protect them from LRM fire.

Let them learn the game in the standard chassis, then when they get the advanced toys, they'll be even more effective. You're way just leads to bad pilots who use technology as a crutch.

[Rifter]

But its so awesome!

[Dandyman]

Wispsy, on 31 October 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

tbh the dragon is a better scout then the raven...just saying...putting it in the light section gives all kinds of mixed messages...but then plenty of people think an atlas is more dangerous to your team then a jenner...honestly you should much prefer your team having an awesome and the other team having an atlas then your team having a raven and their team having a jenner....guess you do not realise who really controls the fights!

Good Point. Those damn Jenners have ruined my day more often than an Atlas. I can avoid the big fAtlas easy enough, its those damn Jenners you can't shake. There is nothing worse than dropping with Pugs and only having Ravens for your lights and seeing two Jenners coming at you. "There goes my rear armor!"

[Dr Leech]

Joseph Mallan, on 31 October 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Yeah Atlas-D gets 2 LRM slots, Atlas-K gets 1 slot, Atlas D-DS is the winner with 3 LRM slots. I killed a Founder Atlas in three separate matches with the trial Awesome. I can't kill em all but I proved myself capable in the trial boat.

Alone in a one on one the DDC will kill the Trail awesome most of the times (in a lrm duel, i use tag and can kill it with 2-3 salvos if under 450m). The Problem isnt the Trial mechs the problem are the matchmaker and its actually at phase one. devs had plans that the community know. (3 phases model) i say give them the time they need. (and yes i know its pug stomping time so long)

[Digital Ninja]

Sug, on 31 October 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

Please, please, please. Choose anything else. Try out the Raven and do some scouting. It will help your team much more than driving a free kill like the Awesome.

I haven't checked the raven, but if it's anything like the other trial lights they're the most gimped mechs in the game by far.

[Paladin1]

Digital Ninja, on 01 November 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

I haven't checked the raven, but if it's anything like the other trial lights they're the most gimped mechs in the game by far.

Let me make this clear to you and every other person who says this.

Stock designs are not, BY DEFINITION, gimped. They're the baseline by which every other design is measured. Your efforts to compare the optimum output for a design with the baseline, and then say that the baseline is gimped, is how power creep enters a game.

STOP THIS STUPIDITY!

That so many of you can't seem to grasp this point tells me that our public school system is failing to teach basic reasoning, and failing badly.

[Squirtbox]

I enjoyed the comment about the awesome being an easy kill for the lolstreakcat. It is true that the awesome has armor more akin to a heavy than an assault but it was intended to be more of a fire support mech than a front line brawler. That said I tend to do rather well in my 8Q even against atlases. Though this thread isn't about how I do but how pugs do.

I prefer the cent over the awesome as far as trials go even if the cent runs hotter and only has a single lrm10.

[Codejack]

Paladin1, on 01 November 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Let me make this clear to you and every other person who says this.

Stock designs are not, BY DEFINITION, gimped. They're the baseline by which every other design is measured. Your efforts to compare the optimum output for a design with the baseline, and then say that the baseline is gimped, is how power creep enters a game.

STOP THIS STUPIDITY!

That so many of you can't seem to grasp this point tells me that our public school system is failing to teach basic reasoning, and failing badly.

OK, let's break it down:

-The trial Raven has the same top speed as the trial Dragon and a weapon loadout that would have a hard time taking out another light mech even if it had enough heatsinks, which it doesn't
-The trial Centurion has a small LRM that usually cannot penetrate AMS, and again with the energy weapons and not enough heatsinks
-The trial Dragon has the same small LRM and energy weapons with few heatsinks, but also an AC5, which is perhaps the worst weapon in the game due to a combination of it being medium-ranged, hard to aim, and slow-moving
-The trial Awesome is the best of the bunch, but is basically an LRM boat with ammunition problems; if you get lucky with all of the LRMs and then have time for your heatsinks to cool down a few times while shooting your lasers, you might be able to take out a light or medium mech

This isn't baseline, this is intentionally ill-equipped. None of the trial mechs are capable of filling any sensible role in a combat lance: The light can't scout, the medium can't flank, the heavy can't give fire support, and the assault can't hold the line. Their only function is to serve as targets for properly equipped mechs.

[Lyteros]

Also the trials are using the base loadout of the tabletop, while the weapons (heat!) are not balanced equally to the TT.

Next thing is for every ill equipped trial a fully customizable (founder-) mech can be fielded which may be the heaviest mech in the weight bracket, for the awesome its the worst choice since its a 80 ton mech against a 100 ton mech.

Yet the awesome is the only mech who is in itself somewhat worth. This just shows how utterly broken the trialmech system is as whole.

Edited by Lyteros, 01 November 2012 - 06:34 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I have gotten upwards of 3 kills and 600 damage with the Trial Awesome so don't really see the issues.

Honestly, the problem isn't the mech, it is the skill of the pilot. Alot of people playing trial are brand new to the game. No matter which trial they are using, they are going to suck because there is a fairly steep learning curve.

Also the Awesome is probably the most newbie friendly of the trial mechs with LRMs and enough heat sinks to bleed off most of the heat of the 2 Lg. Lasers. You actually should be happy that newbies are using this mech because they are probably more effective with this mech than they would be with the other mechs.

[Alcion]

As one who got into the closed beta (albeit at the tail end of it), I had some practice with MWO. During the closed beta, I piloted, not including trials, the commando, raven and dragon.

When the open beta wipe happened, I looked at the 4 mechs, saw the raven, and decided to run with it even though its configured poorly. Total slaughter. A slow light with poor weaponary and not even a TAG fulfills no roles, and is nothing but a free kill.
I took a look at the other three mechs's loadouts and decided to go with the awesome. It fulfills the fire support role decently. Sure its outgunned by a customized assault of any sort, but thats why its a trial.

All the people comparing the trial Awesome to customized Atlases are entirely correct in their argument, and also entirely missing the point that trial mechs (stock mechs) obviously wont compare to a customized mech.

[wanderer]

Ansel, on 31 October 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

A trial awsome has possibly the worst armor layout on an assault mech you can have.

60 CT armor +25 internals.

A total of 85 damage needed to kill it.

Take an AS7-RS, outfit it with 4xLL and 1xGR with two tons of ammo and the rest in SHS. This will deal 51 damage out to 450 meters.

Have fun killing trial awsomes in two shots, or roughly 5 seconds.

It's actually one of the few designs where it can take an astonishingly high amount of damage to it's backside due to it's armor configuration. I've literally ran past opponents so they'll take potshots at my back, then turn and fire my lasers since the arm mounts mean I don't have to shift as much bringing them to bear. Also, twisting to spread laser damage works just fine, same as you would for an Atlas. If they're dumb enough to keep a straight-on frontal angle at laser range when they can fire just fine from a more glancing one....well, they deserve to get cored.

The Trial Awesome is brutal until it's missiles run out- then it's just modestly effective. Still good enough to kill an Atlas while the ammo holds out, but it lacks the ability to hit hard for a sustained period. As I've said, it can kill at least one target before the missiles are gone, after which it's a pair of large lasers with a decent number of heat sinks for firing them- low DPS, but very sustainable. Usually, I'll lob missiles till the bays are empty, then wade in and let the strong aft armor help me push into the middle of a formation.