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[Kraven Kor]

I bought a Legendary Founder's Pack and all I got for it was the blame for everything wrong in the game.

I probably kick puppies, too.

[Stickjock]

Kraven Kor, on 01 November 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

I bought a Legendary Founder's Pack and all I got for it was the blame for everything wrong in the game.

I probably kick puppies, too.

My dear man... rolling in the credits we do... you should just pay someone to kick that puppy for you...

As to the game... I knew it was all your fault... j/k...

[Lin Shai]

Drago6817, on 01 November 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

You have no Idea how happy it makes me to know that by posting on the internet I have caused you to waste 30$ while simultaneously showing how immature you are by taking the teenage angst filled stance of "That guy said something I don;t like so I'm going to do the exact opposite out of spite"


Thank you sir, thank you, never before have my words on the internet been worth so much.

Sadly for you, anything posted by someone who thinks this is "pay to win" will be summarily ignored by people in possession of at least most of their mental faculties. That's generally the case when someone is employing a term or word incorrectly.

Of course, it's not $30 and I've "wasted" more money than that on a couple pizzas once or twice. That's probably also frivolous in your mind, or "pay to eat" or something.

And of course, contrary to your statement, I'll be purchasing it for the exact reason you stated in your post; to support PGI.

Considering they've provided a game which has provided hours upon hours of entertainment, I don't see this as "wasteful" in any way, shape, or form.

[Mylar]

Alfred VonGunn, on 01 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

If I buy one it only cost me $15 not sure where you get $30:)

The cost in MC is slightly over the amount you get for $15, so you have to grab the $30 MC pack to get it if you are starting from zero. Not an issue for founders who already have a pile of MC, but for a fresh player the wang costs $30.

[Drago6817]

PropagandaWar, on 01 November 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

I think they will bring it in after they make a few bucks. Either way its better than WoT where you cant hit a premium tank with a bullet.

WOT has ways for free players to get gold though, the YLW is completely unreachable for free players here.

[Axeman1]

Whether you like PGI or not NOBODY CAN ADVOCATE GRIEFING PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING FUND THIS GAME because you clearly shouldn't be playing if you are. No matter what pi$$es you off, you cannot take it out on the people that are helping fund the game, that's just stupid. You care enough to make forum posts and create an account and download the game, and you want to grief people that are helping drive the thing you're fundamentally hoping will succeed? WTF kinda logic is that?!

Like it or not MC only mechs are likely to be the main money maker for this game.

[Saint Rigid]

Pay to Win has an intrinsic quality of something that is actually BETTER. This mech is not any better (and no I don't mean to imply that it is worse, though many others do), it is simply DIFFERENT. The idea of Pay to Grin is just fine in my book. I mean just look at that paint job, it's freakin' sweet! I don't really see it as any different than hats in TF2 or prestige items in other games. The Yen Lo Wang doesn't have access to SPECIAL equipment, and it's not like you can't make the same loadout on a different Centurion (AC20 and two medium lasers). I feel like it falls in line perfectly with PGI's pay or don't pay mentality.

Pay to Grin! (for the win)

[Drago6817]

Lin Shai, on 01 November 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

Sadly for you, anything posted by someone who thinks this is "pay to win" will be summarily ignored by people in possession of at least most of their mental faculties. That's generally the case when someone is employing a term or word incorrectly.

Of course, it's not $30 and I've "wasted" more money than that on a couple pizzas once or twice. That's probably also frivolous in your mind, or "pay to eat" or something.

And of course, contrary to your statement, I'll be purchasing it for the exact reason you stated in your post; to support PGI.

Considering they've provided a game which has provided hours upon hours of entertainment, I don't see this as "wasteful" in any way, shape, or form.

Call it incorrect all you want but my and, most people in the F2P community's definition of pay to win is selling items which have an effect on game play and are completely unavailable to the free player base.

It's not this skins and boosts, its the unique variant that's the issue.

Anyhow, for everyone reading this, continue the YLW boycott to show PGI we won't accept this until a free version with the same in match performance (hardpoints,criticals,stats) as the YLW is released without the vanity/convenience features (skin/boost).


However,.. this guy,.. I hope you spend all your MC over something I say, really I do.

Natanael Cormac, on 01 November 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Pay to Win has an intrinsic quality of something that is actually BETTER. This mech is not any better (and no I don't mean to imply that it is worse, though many others do), it is simply DIFFERENT. The idea of Pay to Grin is just fine in my book. I mean just look at that paint job, it's freakin' sweet! I don't really see it as any different than hats in TF2 or prestige items in other games. The Yen Lo Wang doesn't have access to SPECIAL equipment, and it's not like you can't make the same loadout on a different Centurion (AC20 and two medium lasers). I feel like it falls in line perfectly with PGI's pay or don't pay mentality.

Pay to Grin! (for the win)

If it isn't any better then what is the problem with releasing a mech with the same hard points/stats/functionality without the skin/boost/name?

[Stickjock]

Drago6817, on 01 November 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

However,.. this guy,.. I hope you spend all your MC over something I say, really I do.

Sad, but when my MC runs out... I'm going to buy more... when my Premium time runs out... I'm going to spend MC and replenish it.... then buy more MC's... more Mechs come out that are MC only buyable... I'll buy them too then buy MORE MC to replenish what I just spent...

Some of us don't mind paying for something we enjoy... in no way a "dig" at anyone (i.e. not saying "get a job")... I played WoT (when I did) the same way, kept my Premium running, collected Premium tanks... and have dropped that game like a bad habit (which I still have a few left... ) but will run MW:O the same way... constant Premium, and constant supply of MC's on hand...

Because that's the way I play...

[GT Hawk]

Lege, on 01 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

YLW is P2L. It's one of the worst mechs in MWO right now IMO.
I see a YLW and all I can think is easy kill, soon as you blow off that AC/20 they are next to worthless.
Blowing an arm off a 50 tonner, takes me all of two shots with my lasers.
I wouldn't care if they put 50% bonus cash on it.
The founders Atlas is about twice as good and the founders Jenner is three times as good.
The hunchback does everything a YLW can do and it does it better.
Even the founders hunchback is better, although not by much.
For my list of mechs I won't drive, the YLW is on it.

LMAO I love it, you say the founders atles is 2x as good. Considering its 2x the tonage, thats just funny.

As for it being worst mech in game, to be honest I love taking the underdog mechs and whooping people woth it. Back in mw4 days my uzi with 2 lbx 10 and 4 medium lasers at 95kph was just a blast to tear up assult mechs. If you know how to use this mech, it can be deadly.

and I love people shooting at my canon arm, by the time someone finely shoots it off me, I have run out of 3/4 tons of ammo, gotten a kill or 2 and am still well armored and ready to just keep on trucking with 2 medium pulse lasers. As stated before, the mech with a standard engine is highly survivable.

[Drago6817]

Axeman1, on 01 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Whether you like PGI or not NOBODY CAN ADVOCATE GRIEFING PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING FUND THIS GAME because you clearly shouldn't be playing if you are. No matter what pi$$es you off, you cannot take it out on the people that are helping fund the game, that's just stupid. You care enough to make forum posts and create an account and download the game, and you want to grief people that are helping drive the thing you're fundamentally hoping will succeed? WTF kinda logic is that?!

Like it or not MC only mechs are likely to be the main money maker for this game.

They could spend MC on other mechs. Buying a YLW is supporting PGI breaking it's promise to the community that it would not introduce payed items that could effect the outcome of a match.

In fact it's BECAUSE I want this game to succeed that I am so adamant about not supporting the YLW. The F2P community is pretty polarized in this regard and games which sell items that effect game play for real money exclusively are greatly frowned upon. This leads to less people even willing to play the title and more people leaving to perceived "unfairness" of the game.

Stickjock, on 01 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Sad, but when my MC runs out... I'm going to buy more... when my Premium time runs out... I'm going to spend MC and replenish it.... then buy more MC's... more Mechs come out that are MC only buyable... I'll buy them too then buy MORE MC to replenish what I just spent...

Some of us don't mind paying for something we enjoy... in no way a "dig" at anyone (i.e. not saying "get a job")... I played WoT (when I did) the same way, kept my Premium running, collected Premium tanks... and have dropped that game like a bad habit (which I still have a few left... ) but will run MW:O the same way... constant Premium, and constant supply of MC's on hand...

Because that's the way I play...

Cool, but that post was aimed at the guy who said he was buying the YLW just to **** me off specifically, not you.

[MorsMortis]

Kraven Kor, on 01 November 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

I bought a Legendary Founder's Pack and all I got for it was the blame for everything wrong in the game.

I probably kick puppies, too.

That hit the funny spot! nice work lol!

[RogueRAZR]

Thanks for the comments on my build. I love XLs and the mech is decently survivable for me. The only problems I usually have are LRMs. Hence the AMS, Its necessary if you want to live match to match. Also the extra speed makes it easy to get away and find cover if you get in trouble.

I also find it funny how many people bash on it, currently I like to mix it up between the Yen and my Jen(F). Both are unique and fun to pilot. Currently I have almost a 7.0 K/D, I was at 22, but I had a bad day with my Jenner yesterday, got insta killed by a Gaussaplut and stuff.

[Mylar]

Axeman1, on 01 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Whether you like PGI or not NOBODY CAN ADVOCATE GRIEFING PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING FUND THIS GAME because you clearly shouldn't be playing if you are. No matter what pi$$es you off, you cannot take it out on the people that are helping fund the game, that's just stupid. You care enough to make forum posts and create an account and download the game, and you want to grief people that are helping drive the thing you're fundamentally hoping will succeed? WTF kinda logic is that?!

Like it or not MC only mechs are likely to be the main money maker for this game.

A lot of people rag on Drago for his stance against the wang...
It's silly really and comes from people not looking at issues through the eyes of others.
It's like democrats and republicans hating each other and calling each other stupid.

Both sides are trying to do what they think is right for the game/country, they just differ in their opinion of what direction to go.

Drago and other anti-wangers are not trying to hurt the game or PGI, they are trying to save them. They see this hero mech as a sign of a divergence from a truly F2P model. They are afraid that that divergence will hurt the game in the long run. Basically trading the reputation and balance of the game now for some quick cash, but in the long run insuring the death of the game as the F2P crowd leaves for games with better F2P integrity.

Is he right? Dunno. But stop flaming him for trying to save it, even if you don't think it's in danger.

The crowd playing this game is primarily made of adults. A lot of us have been with the franchise for decades. I've hung out with the people who wrote the IP this game is based on. I've punched Stackpole in the arm. I've helped Mort round up his grandkids at a con. I started the line for the Shadowrun 3 hardcover release, 2 hours early, much to Bull's dismay. We love our battletech and we WANT the game to work out.

Also, as adults, money is not the main issue being discussed here.
A couple nights ago I got home from work late and pick up $30 of chinese food.
We had the grandmas and an aunt over for trick or treating last night, $80 in pizza and wings.
I just had to drive home from work and back in the middle of the day to move furniture and help my wife catch our daughter's gerbil before the cats got her. $12 in gas...

A few bucks towards a game is no big deal, but by encouraging a business model that will ultimately cause the game to die out, it becomes an issue.

I have issues with the wang.
Drago has issues with the wang.
Are we right? Dunno. But stop acting like we are rooting for the game to fail. Our issues with the wang come from wanting to make sure the game does not fail.

Edited by Mylar, 01 November 2012 - 01:51 PM.

[Shismar]

I haven't seen any griefing. Sure, they get stomped into the dust quick but that is because they are a rather weak variant and their pilots usually suck.

Selling any mech chassis for MC only is simply a really bad idea. Having a F2P base chassis with the same mechanical properties and the inappropriate paint job and the nice CB bonus as purchasable bonus would have been fine.

So, thanks to PGIs lousy sense of business, YLWs are getting the short end of the stick. Bad mech and deserved disdain.

[Axeman1]

Drago6817, on 01 November 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

They could spend MC on other mechs. Buying a YLW is supporting PGI breaking it's promise to the community that it would not introduce payed items that could effect the outcome of a match.

As far as I know the only difference aesthetics aside are the hardpoints of the YLW, and if that's the case I would advise that the buyer decide which hardpoints go where corresponding to variants of the centurion that are already in the game. If I'm spending my money on a mech because I like the skin, I want to play that mech my way, with whatever hard points that mech already comes with in optional locations corresponding to current mechs in game. That way you're not shoe-horned into whatever hardpoints are stuck on your hero mech, but at the same time don't give you an edge against variants you can earn in game.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Alfred VonGunn, on 01 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

If I buy one it only cost me $15 not sure where you get $30:)

15$ worth of MC can't afford the variant, thus you have to drop 30$. Not all of it is required for the variant(You will have a fraction leftover), but you HAVE to get 30$ worth of MC just to get enough. This is where the 30 comes from. Also, it's more than 15$ for most. 3750MC is only 15$ if you got your MC for the highest per dollar value; and this only occurs with a 100$ purchase of it or from the Founders MC bundle. If you bought 30$ worth of MC, 17$ of it was required for the variant, meaning more than 15. The "per dollar" value scales with purchase size; only the 100$ option is 250 per 1$(15$ for the variant); any lower purchase is paying more than that for it.(Scaling in reverse, with lower MC purchased translated into a more expensive usage of it)

[Jetfire]

Axeman1, on 01 November 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

As far as I know the only difference aesthetics aside are the hardpoints of the YLW, and if that's the case I would advise that the buyer decide which hardpoints go where corresponding to variants of the centurion that are already in the game. If I'm spending my money on a mech because I like the skin, I want to play that mech my way, with whatever hard points that mech already comes with in optional locations corresponding to current mechs in game. That way you're not shoe-horned into whatever hardpoints are stuck on your hero mech, but at the same time don't give you an edge against variants you can earn in game.

Hard Point loadout really is not going to be a game breaker in a tactical balance sense.

Hero Mechs need to be Unique or they have no purpose. Balancing their loadout is critical to making them side grades and not upgrades from other variants.

There should be a "Super Size It" option that you can pay an MC premium to attach a 20-30% CB bonus to any Mech and unlock a cool skin, like say a Team PGI skin.

[Drago6817]

Shismar, on 01 November 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

I haven't seen any griefing. Sure, they get stomped into the dust quick but that is because they are a rather weak variant and their pilots usually suck.

Selling any mech chassis for MC only is simply a really bad idea. Having a F2P base chassis with the same mechanical properties and the inappropriate paint job and the nice CB bonus as purchasable bonus would have been fine.

So, thanks to PGIs lousy sense of business, YLWs are getting the short end of the stick. Bad mech and deserved disdain.

Thank you for being a sensible fair founder, they are quite rare.

[SteelRat]

Drago6817, on 01 November 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

If they release the varient with no boost/name/skin I'll be perfectly happy and I doubt anyone would griew TLW ever again.

Blah Blah Blah ....

These traits are unique to the YLW and can only be "bought" for real money.

You people really need to learn what P2W is. P2W is when you have to spend real money in order to be competitive and win. The YLW is an average mech that does not in anyway guarantee your success on the battlefield. An example of P2W would be releasing clan mechs for money only, putting all the free players at an extreme disadvantage. Rare, or as PGI puts it, "Hero" mechs that may have unique loadouts, but in know way dominate the battlefield are not P2W. So tired of all the friggin whining and fear mongering about nothing.

And, fyi, I do not own a YLW, personally think its ugly and just have no interest in it but never had an issue killing 1.