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[Lefty Lucy]

Firing *only* the ERPPCs, the stock AWS-9M generates 39 heat.

With full-strength, 2.0 DHS, it dissipates 40 heat per 10 seconds, allowing you an effective fire rate of once every 10 seconds. That's with *canon* DHS values.

With 1.4 DHS it dissipates only 28 heat per 10 seconds. Allowing an effective fire rate of once every 14 seconds.

I just don't see how anyone can see this and not see how it is completely broken.

Oops: edit for bad math

Edited by Lefty Lucy, 04 November 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[AlbinoSlug]

All part of the plan my friend.

[Lootee]

It's not too bad. The gauss catapult will have only fired 3 times for 90 damage in those 14 seconds. It's perfectly balanced.

Nothing's broken. Working as intended. L2P. Shoot them in the head. It weighs alot. It takes ammo. It explodes. And the other myriad of excuses that are trotted out whenever someone points out the 15 ton god emperor of MWO out classes every other weapon in the game by a huge margin.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 04 November 2012 - 02:47 PM.

[lsp]

PanchoTortilla, on 04 November 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

It's not too bad. The gauss catapult will have only fired 3 times for 90 damage in those 14 seconds. It's perfectly balanced.

Nothing's broken. Working as intended. L2P. Shoot them in the head. It weighs alot. It takes ammo. It explodes. And the other myriad of excuses that are trotted out whenever someone points out the 15 ton god emperor of MWO out classes every other weapon in the game by a huge margin.

It's only the best option right now, because the heat system sucks.

[StringyQuark]

nothing i can say here that would be positive.

i'm trying so hard to stay positive.

nothing nice to say, so say nothing.

[Lefty Lucy]

StringyQuark, on 04 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

nothing i can say here that would be positive.

i'm trying so hard to stay positive.

nothing nice to say, so say nothing.

I'm not sure why. Do you think that high-heat weapons *should* be at a massive disadvantage? Do you think that the heat system is still broken with DHS? That 1.4 DHS is important for game balance?

[pesco]

Yeah.

[p00k]

PanchoTortilla, on 04 November 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nothing's broken. Working as intended. L2P. Shoot them in the head. It weighs alot. It takes ammo. It explodes. And the other myriad of excuses that are trotted out whenever someone points out the 15 ton god emperor of MWO out classes every other weapon in the game by a huge margin.

yeah, all these different people keep converging on the same excuses over and over again, almost as if there was some truth to it! i mean, the medium laser is a totally worthless weapon. srm's and streaks might as well not be in the game, they're so terrible.

[Virisken]

the 1.4 DH wont change much.. high heat weapons like the ppc are still broken.

[slackermagee]

You want to balance things out? Clamor for weapon slot sizes as seen in MW4. Catapault problems solved.

[Corvus Antaka]

because your engine heatsinks were not DHS before, after Nov. 6 they will be?

heat system may yet need some love though. same for the gauss rifle needing a refire nurf OR giving heat inline with the AC20, just like every other weapon.

[Lefty Lucy]

slackermagee, on 04 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

You want to balance things out? Clamor for weapon slot sizes as seen in MW4. Catapault problems solved.

Making a single variant unable to use two gauss rifles won't change the fact that gauss rifles are far more powerful than any other direct fire weapon.

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 04 November 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

because your engine heatsinks were not DHS before, after Nov. 6 they will be?

heat system may yet need some love though. same for the gauss rifle needing a refire nurf OR giving heat inline with the AC20, just like every other weapon.

Well, I'm discussing full implementation of 2.0 DHS versus full implementation of 1.4 DHS. Currently with bugged engine heat sinks the -9M dissipates 30 heat per 10 seconds, so it is a slight nerf to an already-underpowered mech (only referring to stock -9M of course, as a chassis it's very powerful).

[Draco Argentum]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 04 November 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

because your engine heatsinks were not DHS before, after Nov. 6 they will be?

heat system may yet need some love though. same for the gauss rifle needing a refire nurf OR giving heat inline with the AC20, just like every other weapon.

It runs super hot even with all HS sinking 2.0 With the current bugged engine sinks or the Nov6 1.4HS its even worse. The PPC Awesomes are iconic but useless in MWO due to the heat issues. Its just that 1.4HS 'fix' actually makes the 9M even worse.

[Keifomofutu]

slackermagee, on 04 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

You want to balance things out? Clamor for weapon slot sizes as seen in MW4. Catapault problems solved.

That just means the chassis that can fit the "tier 12 weapon" will be the only ones used and the ones that can't will be permanently the black sheep of the game.

[Rifter]

Thats why within 5 min of finding out about the 1.4 DHS crap they are going to patch into the game i went out and bought a gausscat. I actually had a bunch of ideas for mediums with PPC's or LL and heavy and assault chassis i was going to try out with PPC and ER PPC using double sinks, none of these plans would be viable with only 1.4 DHS.

So i just went out and bought a gausscat and intend to just run it and only it till they fix the heat system, it seem like thats what they want anyways they keep nerfing the heat system its like they are deliberatly trying to turn this into gausscats online or something.

Do all the devs pilot gausscats or something?

[Lefty Lucy]

Rifter, on 04 November 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

Thats why within 5 min of finding out about the 1.4 DHS crap they are going to patch into the game i went out and bought a gausscat. I actually had a bunch of ideas for mediums with PPC's or LL and heavy and assault chassis i was going to try out with PPC and ER PPC using double sinks, none of these plans would be viable with only 1.4 DHS.

So i just went out and bought a gausscat and intend to just run it and only it till they fix the heat system, it seem like thats what they want anyways they keep nerfing the heat system its like they are deliberatly trying to turn this into gausscats online or something.

Do all the devs pilot gausscats or something?

See, the ironic part of it is that I can tell what they're doing: despite the fact that in TT mechs can be heat neutral, in the fiction pilots worry about heat all the time, and they want to give us that feeling by including heat as a mechanic that can't simply be ignored by putting enough sinks on your mech.

The problem is, of course, that it royally F's game balance.

[Team Leader]

Its a conspiracy designed to tick everyone off. Expertly done. Its right in the name: double... Its like Taco Bell or McDonalds telling us it's "beef". We all know it really isnt.

[Leetskeet]

I just see the same threads over and over from back when the closed beta was a wee little boy

And they haven't fixed any of the issues yet

I don't know why people even CARE anymore

[Bloody]

slackermagee, on 04 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

You want to balance things out? Clamor for weapon slot sizes as seen in MW4. Catapault problems solved.

you are quoting the symptom rather than the problem . the Problem is that the heat system is completely out of whack by PGI. The symptom is the prevalence of the Gauss Cat as one of the most effective builds. Fix the problem, not the symptom

[Davers]

Yeah, Gausscats are not the problem. The problem is that every build is dramatically improved by switching out it's ballistic weapon for a gauss.

They want heat to matter, yet the gauss mocks that by being the most damaging/best range/fastest velocity bullet/least heat weapon in the game. It is no surprise that anyone who can uses one. And this is a problem.

They obviously want balanced load outs to be viable (especially trial mechs), but the majority of canon weapons are really underperforming and the heat system is the core of the problem.