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[JadeTimberwolf]

I see why I have never heard of rules allowing for above 100 tons, released only last year. Does it add in the Tripedal mech design of the Ares in that book as well?

Motionless, on 16 April 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

I explain that fact by pointing out that you're posting a question is not valid, because you've set up the question in a way where there can only be one answer (a wrong answer.)


Long story short -- Herbert A. Beas II, current Line Developer for Battletech, says Ares is canon. JadeTimberwolf says Ares isn't canon.

Therefor: Ares is canon.

I am working with data that now thanks to Artic Fox pointing me to a book I know is now apparently out of date, As to you saying I am setting up a question with 1 possible answer that is a wrong answer you are wrong about that, Artic Fox provided an alternate answer to the question.

Edited by JadeTimberwolf, 16 April 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[Arctic Fox]

JadeTimberwolf, on 16 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

I see why I have never heard of rules allowing for above 100 tons, released only last year. Does it add in the Tripedal mech design of the Ares in that book as well?

No, but as I said, it's nearly certainly going to show up in Interstellar Operations (whenever that is finally released). In fact, Randall N. Bills specifically mentioned that it's going to be there a few days ago.

[Motionless]

JadeTimberwolf, on 16 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Artic Fox provided an alternate answer to the question.

Actually he threw the question out the window as I did, because it contains information that he pointed out is incorrect.

Your question was phrased similar to this example
"If Motionless can only lift between 10 and 100 lbs, then how can he lift 135 lbs?"
The question is invalid because Motionless is not restricted to lifting between 10 and 100 lbs.

[JadeTimberwolf]

Prior to the existance of the book Artic Fox pointed me to my question would be perfectly accuracte because by the rules prior that book all mechs were restricted to being weighted between 10 and 100 tons but we are digressing from the topic at hand.

[Fachxphyre]

good to see people getting all butthurt about whether or not something is canon. feels like home. personally, i abhor quad mechs, and i don't see why their few advantages would outweigh the paltry armament and difficulty in aiming, let alone the difficulty for the programmers.

HOWEVER, that being said, if it would make the difference between someone playing the game or not, or even just make somebody's day to pilot one, i say let them. If they're implemented, i'll take great pleasure in shooting them just like everything else.

[Insidious Johnson]

I'd love a tarantula. Looks like it would be a dream to pilot, no matter which way you look, it is forward.

[Xyph3r]

Ramien, on 15 April 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

I'm all for adding quads to the game, but I would likely never pilot one until they came installed with turrets. At least with a bipedal mech, one can theoretically torso twist enough to get one arm's weapons pointed at whatever mech was coming up behind.

depends on the Mech.. a Dire Wolf for example can only twist its torso 80 degrees right/left, no chance of getting to hit that Urbie tearing down your rear armor.

ok, back to topic.. quads? Hell yes!

[Dread Render]

Lets let version 22 take that on... just think of the hex grid complications, not to mention torso twist, or lack there of.

[Tremor]

Where is the 'No, I am the best Mechwarrior there is but I won't pilot garbage.' option?

[JadeTimberwolf]

Fachxphyre, on 16 April 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

good to see people getting all butthurt about whether or not something is canon. feels like home. personally, i abhor quad mechs, and i don't see why their few advantages would outweigh the paltry armament and difficulty in aiming, let alone the difficulty for the programmers.

HOWEVER, that being said, if it would make the difference between someone playing the game or not, or even just make somebody's day to pilot one, i say let them. If they're implemented, i'll take great pleasure in shooting them just like everything else.

Personally I don't think that in anything less then rule level 3 do the advantages of a quad outweigh the disadvantages, Hull-down and Side-step are nice maneuvers to use but they come at the cost of Crit slots and Torso Twist (at least in TT) once you get to level 3 when you can start adding in Turret capabilities (if memory serves that is correct) then does it start to balance out.

[Stormeris]

Tremor, on 16 April 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Where is the 'No, I am the best Mechwarrior there is but I won't pilot garbage.' option?

if you need this option then youre not the Best Mechwarrior out there

[Yeach]

Xyph3r, on 16 April 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

depends on the Mech.. a Dire Wolf for example can only twist its torso 80 degrees right/left, no chance of getting to hit that Urbie tearing down your rear armor.

ok, back to topic.. Quads? Hell yes!

Oh really? Where do you get the only 80 degs to right/left?

[LordDeathStrike]

ok you can have your quads, but i want my 10,000 ton titan (warhammer 40k mech) it isnt any more heinous then your quads. it runs on a combination of fusion power, and the prayers of a billion souls. a single titan can claim a world but thats balanced since its = to 100 x 100 ton mechs, in weight, firepower wise its more like 100,000 assault mechs worth since it has the power of sorcery.

and in the end, its not an ugly quad, its bipedal with massive gun mounts, arm cannons, and turrets galore.

Edited by LordDeathStrike, 16 April 2012 - 08:49 PM.

[Name140704]

I like the Sirocco as part of a front line lance, but I don't think quads are really feasible in a competitive multiplayer environment. That is unless falling down is a common occurrence.

[Name140704]

Tremor, on 16 April 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Where is the 'No, I am the best Mechwarrior there is but I won't pilot garbage.' option?

I don't believe I can argue with someone who "Likes" their own post. You guys are on your own.

[JadeTimberwolf]

Emperor Class, Warlord Battle, Reaver Battle, or Warhound Scout? I would take an Emperor Class myself.

Why are you so against the Quad design? It is Canon, it is something that a Mechwarrior is needed to pilot (you can't throw in a tank driver and tell him to pilot it, nor could you throw in an aerospace pilot) Sure traditionally the quads are regulated to support roles but in a battle enviroment you need not only front liners but supports as well.

[John Kerensky]

LordDeathStrike, on 16 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

ok you can have your quads, but i want my 10,000 ton titan (warhammer 40k mech) it isnt any more heinous then your quads. it runs on a combination of fusion power, and the prayers of a billion souls. a single titan can claim a world but thats balanced since its = to 100 x 100 ton mechs, in weight, firepower wise its more like 100,000 assault mechs worth since it has the power of sorcery.

and in the end, its not an ugly quad, its bipedal with massive gun mounts, arm cannons, and turrets galore.

That's right, kids, it's time to play "lets count the logical fallacies"! Can you find them all? =D

[GDL Irishwarrior]

Really, for me, it depends on which quads would be added - there are a few that interest me (Tarantula, Snow Fox, and especially the Stalking Spider are high on my list), but I really wouldn't pilot most quads simply because I don't like their stats/loadouts. Of course, I'd have to wait quite a while for most of the quads I like; but if they are eventually put in, I would gladly use them

Edited by GDL Irishwarrior, 16 April 2012 - 10:29 PM.

[Victor Morson]

LordDeathStrike, on 16 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

ok you can have your quads, but i want my 10,000 ton titan (warhammer 40k mech) it isnt any more heinous then your quads. it runs on a combination of fusion power, and the prayers of a billion souls. a single titan can claim a world but thats balanced since its = to 100 x 100 ton mechs, in weight, firepower wise its more like 100,000 assault mechs worth since it has the power of sorcery.

Comparing mundane quads versus something as OTT as a Warhammer 40k 'mech is just wrong, heh - I think WarHammer 40k can be awesome but that's not even remotely the same thing at all.

[Siilk]

stormeris, on 16 April 2012 - 06:24 AM, said:

Some people like trashcans, but they wouldnt add anything to the game either,

It's hardly a big deal to anyone actually whenever Urbie would be in or out. People ask for it just for ***** and giggles. But that's not the same thing. Urbanmech is still a "normal" mech, it has the same controls, same animation types, same stats etc just like any other mech that is already in the game. Addition of quads would require way, way more work than addition of any other bipedal mech.