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[Eggs Mayhem]

I get the feeling that the little light is a placeholder. They've barely touched the hard HUD and they're apparently cooking up a whole suite of improvements to it so hopefully it will see some improvement then. I'd be down with it being blue, just as a little quick fix.

Good post, pretty spot on.

[Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard]

Draco Argentum, on 06 November 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Paypal has been denying refunds. If you'd payed with a credit card you could've done a chargeback.

Gutted, Least i only payed £30, but thats the price of an actual game still. I have no faith in this project anymore. Have my money ****'s, Easy come easy go

[Silverlance]

The masses are speaking to you!
Why do none of you moderators respond? Developers, where are you now? This is where you should be focusing your ******* attention and you are no where to be found. This is where all of your answers hide on a daily basis to make this game better. From all of these discussions and postings you can find ways of improving from the mistakes you have made and the mistakes of games before yours. This game has so much potential yet you're ******** on all of us. Why?! Get off your lazy duffs and start giving us feedback. Ask questions from actual players and hear our voices!

[Docta Pain]

TT range would be 630m for lrms, but having the range at 1000 is a bit much with this sort of damage. Reduce range to 900?, reduce damage to 1.75, retain lobbing arc, and then wait for ECM to make all these tweeks out-of-date again.

[SgtMaster]

well, i have been testing the new patch since it came out.

• Black Screen problem, still there
  
• Streak missiles miss target 4/5 times
  
• LRMs new trajectory is a big no- no...
  
• Aretmis , from what i know, just augments accuracy per volley, so headshots in 1-2 shots, seen atlas ripped in 1-2-3 seconds.
  
• seems torso shot on Raven causes the mech to loose a leg...
  
• Premade limit of 4, ruined the game for me. i just conviced all my friends from other games to come join me here, and guess what, stuck playing against them with partners AFK/ suicide/ etc...
  
• FPS dropped 10 points

I hope these issues will be corrected shortly,
beause looking at my Fairy while the screens tells me "Incoming missiles" just isn't my idea of fun.

i have gotten used to the fact that there is no 3rd perspective view, but this patch has just put a big dent in my enthusiasm.


PS:

for those who say this game is just "BETA"... know that this is just a catch phrase, new age term, promotional factor... I have been working for a Browser Based Gaming company for 3 years now, and while they were telling the fan base "New Features"+"Coming Soon", we actually started working on another game all together with the funds we made from the promotion... so 3 1/2 years later, the game is still beta live... and work has stopped 1 1/2 years ago... while most of the original fan base is gone, those that remain still are hoping for a new patch next summer 2013...

Edited by SgtMaster, 06 November 2012 - 10:34 PM.

[Eggs Mayhem]

What if instead of touching damage, they just touched the spread? Make NARC'd targets get the current Artemis spread, make TAG and Artemis get the spread like normal LRMs have now, and then have them just slightly more spread for basic LRMs.

I could get down with that, especially since it gives NARC a little bite. It shouldn't last more than one volley though.

[Cthugga]

So I was playing with a HBK since the patch released. I've been able to chase off spotters and break LoS whenever missles were coming in so I didn't think there was that much of a problem. After reading this thread I said, ok, let be put Artie on my founders Cat and see what everyone is complaining about.

Had a balanced loadout before, 2 LRM 15s, 2 MPL, 2 ML. When I put on Artie I upgraded to LRM 20s and dropped the two ML and some SHS to make weight. Played one match and said "OMG, I need more ammo." Switched out the MPLs to ML and added more ammo. Second match I played I one shotted another Cat and stripped the others to just a CT in seconds. By the 3rd match I was feeling really bad for anyone on the other team, our four man had evolved into 1 spotter and 3 Cats with LRMs. Anyone that lit up in a red box was soon in spectator mode.

[Ranzear]

1. Keep the top-attack trajectory for Artemis-augmented LRMs.

2. Put unaugmented LRMs back on a fairly flat trajectory, and make sure they run into buildings and terrain.

Really, it's the top-attack profile of vanilla LRMs that are making them overpowered right now. Their damage is good, their groupings and accuracy is good. It's entirely that they can go over cover and drop on their target from above.

The other possibility:

3. Only give a 'yellow' lock grade/signature for enemies you can target only because a teammate has LoS on them, and let this direct missiles already in the air but not lock on with new missiles. This lets you keep already-fired missiles guided as the target drops behind cover if you have a scout watching them, but can't keep unloading racks at a target you personally can't even see. This lets cover still disrupt/stop LRM spam while keeping the spotter's role and still punishing the target for getting locked-onto in the first place.

[TechMech]

We are paying for this., this is not Obama Care, are you Merc's or are you "Please Sir can I have more?"

[ExAstris]

Gotta agree with the OP, pretty much every change was fantastic, except the Artemis, which has the only problem of having gone too far.

Artemis is one ton per launcher, so it should make your weapons significantly better, but significantly better doesn't have to be absurdly better.

From my experience, it cuts down the spread by about double, increases the missiles turn rate, improves their launch and dive angles, and speeds up your locking. Now, I'm OK with Artemis granting all these advantages, the problem is that, combined with LRM's two damage per missile, they end up being too much in their current form.

Lock speeds, firing angle, and dive angle are all fine. They're aweful without it, but great with it, solid trade off for significant tonnage. Improving their spread is reasonable too, but you can't just cut the spread in half without it have serious effects. Hitting a mech is a matter of getting the missile to pass through an area, and cutting its maximum axis deviation in half causes your total area of hits to shrink, not to not just 1/2 but to 1/(2^2) = 1/4 of its original. So where a salvo use to hit the mechs torso, arms, legs, and the ground around the mech, now their bunched up on just the torso with only the most stray of missiles hitting legs and arms.

I would recommend cutting down the spread reduction effects of Artemis by a fair amount. The launch angle benefits and targeting speed are already great ****, no need to shrink their strike area from the size of a two story house to just the garage door. Maybe put the spread bonus on LRMs at something like 0.85 of non-Artemis LRM's, that would still reduce its overall strike area to 70% of its original, effectively increasing its applied dps by ~20-30%, but not making it so that even light mechs are absorbing 3/4 of the missiles and dying in 2-3 salvos.

SRMs are a different story, Artemis doesn't give them the benefits of launch/attack angle or locking speed, they only benefit from spread, so their spread reduction from Artemis is probably fine (haven't gotten to test it much).

Basically, the spread reduction for LRMs is way more powerful than the spread reduction for SRMs, thus, they shouldn't get the same spread reduction from Artemis.

[Ronin Starwalker]

agree 100%, drop missile damage back down to 1 and fix the flight paths so they don't turn 90 degrees

[Suberoa Zinnerman]

Cpt Grunge, on 06 November 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

It's all the god da*n founders complaining. Oh boo hoo I want my money back!!! This game sucks I'm leaving!!!! Blahhh blahhhh blaaahhhhh blah blaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.... It's it beta dude. Your going to leave in Beta! BETA! DOSE IT GET ANY CLEARER!! BETA!! THINGS ARE GOING TO BREAK!!! THINGS ARE GOING TO BUG!!!!!! THINGS ARE GOING!!!!! TO CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!You should be ashamed of your self. All of you complaining.

MWO left beta a week ago, bro. It's released into the wild now.

Just because the devs call it 'open beta' doesn't mean that it's actually beta.

[Draken X]

Ronin Starwalker, on 06 November 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

agree 100%, drop missile damage back down to 1 and fix the flight paths so they don't turn 90 degrees

No. LRMs should stay how it was (2 per missile) before this patch.

EVERYONE! SINCE YOU ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT LRMs,

PRO-TIP: BOYCOTT LRM!!!

[Rotahavok]

looks like im just another unhappy player/customer with your new patch you have butcherd your game......why would u not let people play with 7 other friends.....why would u discourage co-op play.....yay i can only play with 3 other friends now...... WHAT AN AMAZING IDEA!!!!....... well i was just getting right into mech warrior online.....until this patch........yea good idea buff LRM's, well last night i just wasted REAL money on buying mech bays...... as of this patch......im gonna find a new game...... let me know when u sort your stupid game out and ill have a look.... maybe sort out being able to send ******* messages to freind rather then using teamspeak or just guessing what another teammate is thinking.....im pissed off and i cannot understand your logic.....get a clue....if you need somebody with 1/2 a brain to help you point this game in an award winning direction....you know my username...BUTCHERS

[Silverlance]

Cthugga, on 06 November 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

So I was playing with a HBK since the patch released. I've been able to chase off spotters and break LoS whenever missles were coming in so I didn't think there was that much of a problem. After reading this thread I said, ok, let be put Artie on my founders Cat and see what everyone is complaining about.

Had a balanced loadout before, 2 LRM 15s, 2 MPL, 2 ML. When I put on Artie I upgraded to LRM 20s and dropped the two ML and some SHS to make weight. Played one match and said "OMG, I need more ammo." Switched out the MPLs to ML and added more ammo. Second match I played I one shotted another Cat and stripped the others to just a CT in seconds. By the 3rd match I was feeling really bad for anyone on the other team, our four man had evolved into 1 spotter and 3 Cats with LRMs. Anyone that lit up in a red box was soon in spectator mode.

^
This is the kind of ******** I'm talking about.

[Synra]

I just spent several hours tonight playing with a few friends. We had a good time, but to say that the game is different is a massive understatement.

1. So much nicer without 8 man premades. In that reguard, matches were a whole lot more fun. We never knew how a match would turn out. We never saw the 'exploit' tactics that premades often use for easy wins.

2. Stealth damage. We were pretty sure this was coming from Gauss Rifles. We died numerous times without knowing we were taking damage. For some reason certain weapons would hit us from long range, but it didn't register. The screen didn't shake, we didn't get the "thump" sounds or anything. Everything would appear fine and then we would suddenly fall over dead wondering what killed us.

3. I died several times with health still on my mech. To be specific, I was in my founders Jenner, with it's default starting engine (standard engine). In these occations when I died, I was still showing health on my CT, Head and both legs. At least one of those times, I seem to have died to losing a side torso, which should be impossible since I wasn't using an XL. One time I definately had not lost any mech parts. My CT was exposed, but it was still yellow when I died for no apparent reason.

The only explanation I can think of would be engine criticals, but last I was aware engine criticals only drove up the repair bill, they didn't kill a mech.

4. I no longer find Medium Pulse lasers to be useful any longer. They have been one of my favorite weapons to use, but the new heat on them is killing me. No seriously, I shut down very quickly now and then I die.

5. Lights are no longer realistic to play. Speed no longer protects a light from LRMs like it has up until now. Artemis LRMs go right into a light and make short work of them. I confirm this from both sides. I have spend a lot of time in both my jenner and an LRM catapult tonight. In my catapult I wrecked lights like they were nothing. In my Jenner I have never died faster in all the months I have been playing MWO. Scouting, spotting and TAGing are nothing but a suicide run now.

Apparently I wasn't the only one to notice this as the hours went on. Shortly after the servers came up, I saw every game filled with lights and LRM boats. By the end of the evening, lights had become very rare. Most people were either in LRM boats or atlases with AMS. I don't know if ECM will solve this problem, but apparently we won't be getting it anytime soon.

6. Even AMS has lost it's limited effectiveness. There are so many LRMs coming down on targets, and with every single missile hitting, the AMS is nothing but a futile gesture. It reminds me of that old Simpsons quote "The goggles do nothing!"

7. Not a new problem, but NARC still sucks.

8. We had some weird problems with game performance. For no apparent reason framerate would occationally take a sudden huge drop. I saw it a few times and so did my friends.

9. Whenever my mech dies, I can see the cockpit. From the external 3d view that is. For some reason it is visible now through the mech whenever I am in the third person camera events. Even when I am spectating someone and see them die.

10. Just a minor pet peeve of mine, but I am disappointed that the water isn't frozen in the new map.

11. Streaks... I am undecided on this one. Granted, a streak boat catapult is one of the overpowered mech builds, but at the same time streaks were one of the few useful weapons for light mechs to make use of. Now they are kinda gimpy. They just spray all over the enemy mech, sometimes even missing. Thats what SRMs are supposed to do! Streaks should be way more realiable than this.

12. Double heatsinks are poorly named.

[Cthugga]

Draken X, on 06 November 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

No. LRMs should stay how it was (2 per missile) before this patch.

EVERYONE! SINCE YOU ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT LRMs,

PRO-TIP: BOYCOTT LRM!!!

I'm sorry, that's not how it works. This patch turned my Cat-C1 in to a mech that pukes c-bills and craps EXP. I will not be refraining for using it, I in fact will be spamming the hell out of LRMs. A lot of other people will too. That is what will get a fix for the situation, not some silly boycott.

[bakagundam]

Well, our little clan is frustrated and done, thanks for destroying the game we had been playing nightly. We cant 8v8, nor is brawling viable anymore, **** us right?

For reference, by brawling I mean we usually don't bring ANY LRM boats, we don't like it, it it has worked before by using cover and rushing. Now, now its just dumb. Roll back the patch.

[Daycrist Bloodfang]

sad thing is all LRMs now negate cover....not just Artemis LRMs. Took the Cat C1 Trial mech into battle same thing just grouped less and took me 1 or 2 more volleys to finish the job

[White Bear 84]

TheWatcher, on 06 November 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Are you kidding?
ARTEMIS without ECM?
That was probably the stupidest idea ever.
And then you come with this saying ...
This must be a joke from you

What better way to test it works?