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[Sagamore]

I guess from PGI's perspective, if they could attract enough people to play the game on Mac they could pour the resources into porting it. I know digital distribution giant Valve is supporting Mac gamers in a big way and now Linux. Windows isn't the only option for gaming as much as some people would like to believe.

Think about it... if someone spend tons of money on a computer, it might mean they have more disposible income to begin with. Isn't that the kind of player you'd want to be playing in your F2P micro-transaction-based economy?

[WVAnonymous]

Running exclusively on bootcamped iMac. No troubles.

As far as the "Microsoft won't allow PGI to develop for OS X", the relevant bottleneck is "when Crytek releases an OS X version" of the engine. I would guess if that happened, we would see OS X MWO PDQ IMHO.

Ursh, on 21 February 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Uhm, from my experience, mac users aren't gamers, they're 10% people who actually utilize a mac for the few specialized functions it excels at, and 90% posers or idiots who can't even figure out how to run a torrent program to avoid being ripped off by itunes for all of their media consumption needs.

Why would PGI waste resources coding their game for a demographic that prefers ultra-simple app games, or buys a $3000 laptop so they can check their email and look at their instagram pictures on a retina screen?

Quite a few of my friends are musicians who have recorded and mixed their own stuff, none of them famous. A few more friends I know are professional graphic and website designers. None of them use Mac, because they're smart enough to know that a $700 HP computer can do the same job a $3000 mac can for all but the most specialized of needs, in which case a $1500 high end pc laptop will smoke the $3000 Mac

And some of us value time more than money, and losing 30 minutes/month is worth more than the extra $1500 every three years.

[Dimento Graven]

Lemon8or, on 16 December 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

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I think people use PC because they are cheaper, but if you can afford a machine that actually works and does what you want it to without having to have computer engineering degree then you should try macs. Although the economics of this means that there are fewer users of macs, I get that, i think they should still try to support both.

Maybe price is a factor, however most educated users realize the following:

90% of all 'end-user' business activity (not back end systems) takes place on a Wintel system.

There is far, FAR, more available software for Wintel than Mac.

The Wintel architecture is effectively NON-proprietary, where as the Mac is absolutely proprietary. Pretty much every dollar you put into a Mac is dumped into Steve Job's coffin. Every dollar you spend on a Wintel machine is divided up a hundred different ways keeping hundreds of different companies alive.

The price point of a Mac vs. the price point of a Wintel system, for the educated and technically oriented user, is stupidly out of whack with actual value.

I've owned nothing BUT Wintel systems since the age of 18. I'm slowly closing in on 30 years of hands on Wintel experience and I can say I've had good systems and I've had bad systems, I've done stupid things with good systems that have turned them bad, I have done smart things with bad systems that have turned them into great reliable machines.

The machine I'm on now hasn't had an issue since it was built.

The machine I used previous to this only had issues due to hardware failures.

Badly written software affects both and because there's SO MUCH MORE software available in the Wintel world, it has a proportionately higher instance of bad software, and/or multiple installed packages not working/playing well with each other.

The ONLY reason Apple has such a significantly smaller number software issues than Wintel (and I admit it's a GOOD reason) is because Apple maintains such a tight and rigorous control over what software is released and how it's built and maintained. It's why so many software companies DO NOT and WILL NEVER attempt to port their software over to Mac. The expense and micromanagement of the Apple trademark makes ROI very hard to attain.

[Xeanth]

Lemon8or, on 16 December 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

I've used bootcamp, didn't care for it much. It did get the job done but was very annoying to use IMHO. Also, felt like I was polluting a machine that was working fine with some type of infection.

Not sure why pc users bash on macs. I used PC for 20+years, switched to Mac and I will never go back. Had mac for 2 years now, guess how many time my machine has crashed or had to be rebooted because it "locked up"? Only once, and guess what software I was trying to run?

I think people use PC because they are cheaper, but if you can afford a machine that actually works and does what you want it to without having to have computer engineering degree then you should try macs. Although the economics of this means that there are fewer users of macs, I get that, i think they should still try to support both.

People uses PC's because they ARE cheaper, and have more power, and are fully upgradeable.

And I use linux.

[Lukoi Banacek]

People keep saying Microsoft owns MW licensing and IP on this thread. I thought IGP got the rights for the game and don't necessarily own it per se, and it wasn't MS that owns it. Someone help me out here. Just curious really.

[Noth]

Lukoi, on 21 February 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

People keep saying Microsoft owns MW licensing and IP on this thread. I thought IGP got the rights for the game and don't necessarily own it per se, and it wasn't MS that owns it. Someone help me out here. Just curious really.

Depending on where you look Smith & Tinker owns the rights or you see that they simply licensed the rights from MS. The latter means that MS still owns it.

Edit: The more I look into it, the more it appears S&T only leased the IP of MW, meaning MS still owns the IP.

Edited by Noth, 21 February 2013 - 02:55 PM.

[Buffalo Six]

I use my Mac for its intended purpose.....managing my iTunes, screwing around on the web, looking at post processed pics from my Windows based platform. I tried to do a lot of photo post processing on the Mac but the file tree system is an abomination, so I moved it back to a Windows based laptop. For gaming I have a dedicated gaming PC or while on the road, I have an Asus gaming laptop

[Jack Lazarus]

These threads always make me shake my head when it becomes an argument over what's better. It's like listening to greasemonkeys yell over whether their mullet looks cooler in the cab of a Ford or Chevy or a Honda. Everyone is an expert on what computer is best for any task, even though the only thing they ever do on their machine is game, check these forums, pretend to be more of a pro than they really are, and surf the web.

The topic is about the hope for an OS X port of the game. If you want one, or want to discuss why it will or won't happen, that's on topic. If you're in this thread just to troll, maybe you need a new hobby since no one is going to leave this thread and think "Wow, my worldview was totally wrong, I need to buy an (X) because it is better at doing (Y) than I ever knew!"

[Dimento Graven]

Buffalo Six, on 21 February 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

I use my Mac for its intended purpose.....managing my iTunes, screwing around on the web, looking at post processed pics from my Windows based platform. I tried to do a lot of photo post processing on the Mac but the file tree system is an abomination, so I moved it back to a Windows based laptop. For gaming I have a dedicated gaming PC or while on the road, I have an Asus gaming laptop

The hilarious thing about your situation is, your laptop, gaming PC, and Asus gaming laptop combined, probably all still cost LESS, or at least not significantly more, than the single Mac you purchased.

Macs are STUPIDLY expensive.

[Ursh]

WVAnonymous, on 21 February 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Running exclusively on bootcamped iMac. No troubles.

As far as the "Microsoft won't allow PGI to develop for OS X", the relevant bottleneck is "when Crytek releases an OS X version" of the engine. I would guess if that happened, we would see OS X MWO PDQ IMHO.


And some of us value time more than money, and losing 30 minutes/month is worth more than the extra $1500 every three years.

I value value. From what I've personally witnessed accomplished on Windows PCs by creative professionals, a Mac is completely unnecessary for music, photos, video editing, or any kind of art these days. It's not 1998 anymore, Windows has caught up.

The most valuable thing a Macbook can do these days is develop IOS apps for the tens of millions of re.tards out there who spend $1-5 at a time on completely silly apps that do absolutely nothing to make their lives better or amuse them for more than ten minutes.

If you're using your Macbook to rip those people off, then kudos to you, and you've definitely made a great purchase.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

No plans to support Mac OS. Doesn't matter why that's what they said, besides that I've always seen Mac as a personal computer, for things like.. iono.. not gaming though. What possesed you to purchase one?

[borisof007]

Noth, on 21 February 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Depending on where you look Smith & Tinker owns the rights or you see that they simply licensed the rights from MS. The latter means that MS still owns it.

Edit: The more I look into it, the more it appears S&T only leased the IP of MW, meaning MS still owns the IP.

I can clarify this:

Jordan Weissman licensed the rights to create and publish a Mechwarrior game. When you have the licensing rights to do this, you own the product under those licensing terms so long as you adhere to those terms. The terms, by the by, we'll never know for sure. They could include a list of things, probably to make sure that Microsoft's trademark of Mechwarrior stays within its proper brand image.

Jordan then founded Smith and Tinker. He shopped the licensing rights to a few developers, including PGI. Russ Bullock then negotiated the rights from Jordan, and also brought on board several developers to form another team that we now know as Infinite Games Publishing.

PGI owns the licensing rights, Microsoft owns the trademark. Two VERY different things. This means that PGI owns the game, they own the content, the artwork, everything related to what they've produced with their licensing rights, so long as they adhere to the terms and conditions. They still have to pay Microsoft for using the trademarked term "Mechwarrior" and probably a few other assets too, but those aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

[Noth]

borisof007, on 21 February 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

I can clarify this:

Jordan Weissman licensed the rights to create and publish a Mechwarrior game. When you have the licensing rights to do this, you own the product under those licensing terms so long as you adhere to those terms. The terms, by the by, we'll never know for sure. They could include a list of things, probably to make sure that Microsoft's trademark of Mechwarrior stays within its proper brand image.

Jordan then founded Smith and Tinker. He shopped the licensing rights to a few developers, including PGI. Russ Bullock then negotiated the rights from Jordan, and also brought on board several developers to form another team that we now know as Infinite Games Publishing.

PGI owns the licensing rights, Microsoft owns the trademark. Two VERY different things. This means that PGI owns the game, they own the content, the artwork, everything related to what they've produced with their licensing rights, so long as they adhere to the terms and conditions. They still have to pay Microsoft for using the trademarked term "Mechwarrior" and probably a few other assets too, but those aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

How come multiple sources they leased or payed for the rights rather than buying the license?

[Lukoi Banacek]

Gotya thanks.

[Caviel]

Long story VERY short, FASA Interactive (The electronic games part of FASA, also did Virtual World stuff) ended up being purchased by Microsoft, although FASA still went under. The print version of BattleTech (Now Classic Battletech) was sold to Wizards of the Coast (Which was bought by WizKids Games, then eaten by Topps) by FASA so all the print stuff is owned by Topps and is licensed by Catalyst for the print material.

The electronic game side was retained by Microsoft, who sold the rights (Not the ownership) for it to Smith & Tinker (Now bankrupt, btw), who sold it in turn to PGI. Microsoft still owns MechWarrior, PGI just has the rights to make MW:O with the IP. Because Microsoft owns the MechWarrior IP, you will never see a native MW:O for OSX or Linux. Ever.

The same restriction is what killed the original single player reboot we saw years ago because Microsoft said "No PS3". See the story straight from Bryan here:

http://mwomercs.com/...10/2-dev-blog-0

[Noth]

Caviel, on 21 February 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Long story VERY short, FASA Interactive (The electronic games part of FASA, also did Virtual World stuff) ended up being purchased by Microsoft, although FASA still went under. The print version of BattleTech (Now Classic Battletech) was sold to Wizards of the Coast (Which was bought by WizKids Games, then eaten by Topps) by FASA so all the print stuff is owned by Topps and is licensed by Catalyst for the print material.

The electronic game side was retained by Microsoft, who sold the rights (Not the ownership) for it to Smith & Tinker (Now bankrupt, btw), who sold it in turn to PGI. Microsoft still owns MechWarrior, PGI just has the rights to make MW:O with the IP. Because Microsoft owns the MechWarrior IP, you will never see a native MW:O for OSX or Linux. Ever.

The same restriction is what killed the original single player reboot we saw years ago because Microsoft said "No PS3". See the story straight from Bryan here:

http://mwomercs.com/...10/2-dev-blog-0

Thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking. People seem to not think that MS doesn't own Mechwarrior anymore and that simply is not true.

[Slaytronic]

apple lol why would I pay too much money for locked down crap?

[Caviel]

Noth, on 21 February 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking. People seem to not think that MS doesn't own Mechwarrior anymore and that simply is not true.

It even says so at the very bottom of this page:

"MechWarrior® is a registered trade-mark of Microsoft Corporation and is used under license."

For those folks wanting MechWarrior on OSX or Linux, blame Microsoft not PGI it isn't happening.

[Shumabot]

ITT whiny trainwrecks talk about how superior their PC rigs are for allowing them to play a poor performing, badly balanced, buggy beta fremium with 30 dollar in game purchases.

[Noth]

Caviel, on 21 February 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

It even says so at the very bottom of this page:

"MechWarrior® is a registered trade-mark of Microsoft Corporation and is used under license."

For those folks wanting MechWarrior on OSX or Linux, blame Microsoft not PGI it isn't happening.

People have been trying to say that having the license (being able to use the IP) means they own it and that MS is not connected in anyway because of it despite what it says at the bottom of the page.