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[Icebound]

With the laser nerf I'm having a hard time telling the difference from this week and last week's heat. Still can't use pulse lasers.

[Adrienne Vorton]

honestly i don´t care much about how they really work now... i just hope it stays this way, because they feel so goddam right...

Icebound, on 12 November 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

With the laser nerf I'm having a hard time telling the difference from this week and last week's heat. Still can't use pulse lasers.

then you do something wrong... my laserboats work very good with DHS... way better then ever
Largepulses are my main weapons in my kitty right now...

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 12 November 2012 - 02:57 AM.

[EvilCow]

After testing them on from light to assaults I think 1.4 DHSs are fine, large lasers are widely used now, the AS7-RS with 4xLL and Gauss is a killer.

I would support a change to 1.5 but mainly for simplicity of math.

[Calmon]

EvilCow, on 12 November 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

After testing them on from light to assaults I think 1.4 DHSs are fine, large lasers are widely used now, the AS7-RS with 4xLL and Gauss is a killer.

I would support a change to 1.5 but mainly for simplicity of math.

You know that the thread is about the current DHS working as 2.0 in engine?

[FiveDigits]

Adrienne Vorton, on 12 November 2012 - 02:56 AM, said:

honestly i don´t care much about how they really work now... i just hope it stays this way, because they feel so goddam right... [...]

EvilCow, on 12 November 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

After testing them on from light to assaults I think 1.4 DHSs are fine, large lasers are widely used now, the AS7-RS with 4xLL and Gauss is a killer.

I would support a change to 1.5 but mainly for simplicity of math.

It might be fine for your custom builds. But please also consider the implications of nerfed (for no reason) DHS on (upcoming) standard 'mech variants. It sets people up for frustration when they have to use broken trials or 'mechs they just bought.

[Alcatraz968]

Actually, as a Jenner pilot... Lets just say i usually get 3 kills in a round and none are scout kill. Atlases to Hunchbacks if there not paying attention will die in only a few volleys.
2- Light
3- Medium
4- Heavy
5- Assault
So yes, double heat sinks are alittle powerful on scouts and should stay at there current value. Possible make it so there 2.0 in the engine and 1.4 outside of it.

[Yukichan]

Alcatraz968, on 12 November 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Possible make it so there 2.0 in the engine and 1.4 outside of it.

The tests done show they already are like this.

[Marzepans]

Hear, hear.

Given the ridiculous scaremongering provided as a reason not to implement true DHS and the repeated failures to implement them as described, I'd like to hear the official line on what exactly they think they are doing.

[DerMaulwurf]

Alcatraz968, on 12 November 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Actually, as a Jenner pilot... Lets just say i usually get 3 kills in a round and none are scout kill. Atlases to Hunchbacks if there not paying attention will die in only a few volleys.
2- Light
3- Medium
4- Heavy
5- Assault
So yes, double heat sinks are alittle powerful on scouts and should stay at there current value. Possible make it so there 2.0 in the engine and 1.4 outside of it.

That's the way it is now.

And this way it primarily benefits mechs who lack the tonnage for additional heat sinks and therefore depend on engine HS. Or lights and mediums to use other words.

I support ungimping all DHS to give a bone to the heavyweights.

[Urza Mechwalker]

Peopel are silent because the ones able to do math know how usles they are and did not even tried them.

DerMaulwurf, on 12 November 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

That's the way it is now.

And this way it primarily benefits mechs who lack the tonnage for additional heat sinks and therefore depend on engine HS. Or lights and mediums to use other words.

I support ungimping all DHS to give a bone to the heavyweights.

The is no confirmationt aht engine sinks are 2.0 now. And I will NOT waste 1.5 M until I have a confirmation that you start with 20 effective sinking. if they are 1.4 inside engine ... they are worthless.

[Marzepans]

Urza Mechwalker, on 12 November 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Peopel are silent because the ones able to do math know how usles they are and did not even tried them.




The is no confirmationt aht engine sinks are 2.0 now. And I will NOT waste 1.5 M until I have a confirmation that you start with 20 effective sinking. if they are 1.4 inside engine ... they are worthless.

There is confirmation all over the forums. It is also pretty easy to test for yourself. You can lead a horse to water...

[Joseph Mallan]

Squid von Torgar, on 12 November 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

Since the last patch, and contrary to the patch notes and any word from PGI, we have fully working DHS in our engines (If upgraded).

The patch notes are clear and the revelation that DHS in the engine are working at their full 2.0 value was exposed by the community. In the current implementation any DHS that are contained in the Engine (Not including the optional extra DHS that you can fit in engine slots) are providing a cooling rate of 2.0 / 0.2. Any additional DHS work at 1.4 / 0.14. This goes against the announced function of DHS, which had them all working at 1.4

PGI stated that having play tested 2.0 DHS they were totally OP. Garth himself revealed that his Jenner fitted with DHS was able to core an Atlas in 3 seconds.

Its nearly a week since we got the patch and I have yet to read a single post on the MWO forums of DHS being perceived as OP. If DHS were really OP where is the hordes of post flaming about their OPness?
There are none.

Good. Cause if what you have typed is true, then We have the sinks as they were meant to be played. Personally I liked it that over the weekend I was hit with flamers and was able to continue to fire unabated. Yes my heat was increased, but I have always strived to over sink so I can Alpha whenever I need to.

[FiveDigits]

Urza Mechwalker, on 12 November 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

[...] The is no confirmationt aht engine sinks are 2.0 now. And I will NOT waste 1.5 M until I have a confirmation that you start with 20 effective sinking. if they are 1.4 inside engine ... they are worthless.

There were tests performed by the community and hints in the game files. You can review all evidence in the DHS Effectiveness-Thread.

[BigJim]

Tbh I kinda like them how they are now - I'm using 2x Lrg-Pulse, 2x Med-Pulse on two builds, and pulses in place of mediums on most other mechs I run (a mix of Mediums & heavies), love it.
Lights are the only things I refuse to mount pulses on tbh.

The other day I got hit in the torso from long range by a triple-PPC alpha from an Awsome 3-M, "no way is he gonna be able to shoot those again any time soon" I thought, so I lined-up a nice gauss round on his head, then boom, another 3x to the chest, killed me outright..

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The is no confirmationt aht engine sinks are 2.0 now. And I will NOT waste 1.5 M until I have a confirmation that you start with 20 effective sinking. if they are...

C'mon, live a little - 1.5mil is pocket change in this game, I've bought 12x mechs and kitted them out fully, and have 20mil left over for mech-strippers atm, and I don't even play my founder's Cat..

Try it, then judge if it feels right.
I don't give a chuff if it's 1.0, 1.4, 2.0 or over 9000, as long as it feels right - That's all that should matter.

Edited by BigJim, 12 November 2012 - 04:16 AM.

[Urza Mechwalker]

BigJim, on 12 November 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Tbh I kinda like them how they are now - I'm using 2x Lrg-Pulse, 2x Med-Pulse on two builds, and pulses in place of mediums on most other mechs I run (a mix of Mediums & heavies), love it.
Lights are the only things I refuse to mount pulses on tbh.

The other day I got hit in the torso from long range by a triple-PPC alpha from an Awsome 3-M, "no way is he gonna be able to shoot those again any time soon" I thought, so I lined-up a nice gauss round on his head, then boom, another 3x to the chest, killed me outright..


C'mon, live a little - 1.5mil is pocket change in this game, I've bought 12x mechs and kitted them out fully, and have 20mil left over for mech-strippers atm, and I don't even play my founder's Cat..

Try it, then judge if it feels right.
I don't give a chuff if it's 1.0, 1.4, 2.0 or over 9000, as long as it feels right - That's all that should matter.

i work 8 hours per day, 1 hour of lunch, plus 2 hours of commuting, make 1 hour of gym and 1 hour of running, plus have a dog to walk I do nto have time to make that much cbilsl as you clearly have. I can play at most 30-40 min poer day.. and I will not waste 2 days of cbills.

[Kmieciu]

Squid von Torgar, on 08 November 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

Ok I just tested this using the Jenner D

SHS fire 4 ML time to cool down = 16.2 seconds
DHS (9 in engine, 1 outside) time to cool down = 8.6 seconds.

Seems pretty conclusive.

[tenderloving]

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Garth himself revealed that his Jenner fitted with DHS was able to core an Atlas in 3 seconds.

INAPPROPRIATE NAME 0001, on 12 November 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

I loved this factoid. I mean the small laser takes 2.25 seconds to recycle and anything heavier longer, typically 3 seconds.

It alone speaks volumes.

Where did he say that? I want to read the community's responses to this BS (assuming it's not in a locked post.)

Edited by tenderloving, 12 November 2012 - 05:00 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

BigJim, on 12 November 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

The other day I got hit in the torso from long range by a triple-PPC alpha from an Awsome 3-M, "no way is he gonna be able to shoot those again any time soon" I thought, so I lined-up a nice gauss round on his head, then boom, another 3x to the chest, killed me outright..

THIS is how an Awesome is supposed to feel!!! Sorry you under estimated the power of PPCs, but an Awesome like this is what I am used to on TT!

[Marzepans]

tenderloving, on 12 November 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

Where did he say that? I want to read the community's responses to this BS (assuming it's not in a locked post.)

The source is in this thread and we're only on the second page...

[Rifter]

tenderloving, on 12 November 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

Where did he say that? I want to read the community's responses to this BS (assuming it's not in a locked post.)

He said it in my thread, post located below. Its obviously a total lie.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1362549