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[Percival Hasek]

It's like Kenny Rogers sings

"You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run."

Your team is outnumbered. Your weapons are gone. Ammo is expended. 4+ enemies versus one or two defenders..and your best weapon is an AC/2.

Why are you still fighting? Embrace reality. Your assault mech with two medium lasers left, or your weaponless Commando, isn't going to save the day. For most matches, the moment the enemy outnumbers you by 3 or more 'Mechs, the match is almost certainly not going in your favor. So, embrace defeat. Be a smart mercenary, and start thinking about your wallet, not your pride.

Run! Hide. Announce to all that your base is open for the taking, that you won't defend it, and no one need any more repair costs. if your fellow survivors don't agree, too bad for them. Leave them to their fate, and take care of yourself. if they are with you, group up in a good position as far from your base as possible, tell your enemy they can have an unresisted capture, or risk damage by coming after you.

End the game, save your repair costs, free up the already dead players 'Mechs so they can get them into another game quicker instead of them waiting futily.

No need to drag out a boring circle chase or hide and go seek hunt. Capping gives a better reward, so let the enemy enjoy that. Your dead teamamtes aren't going to be hurt by it. Getting one more mech kill, if you are lucky, isn't worth the risk. and your near certain destruction.

And by the way, if you are on the lucky winning team in a 6-0 curbstomping. why are you running around looking for the last two opponents? Go capture the base already, and end the game. If a defender is crazy enough to defend his base, he'll pay the price. Otherwise, go cap, end the match, and enjoy the benefits.

Profit is the goal, and no one profits from pointless defenses.

[00dlez]

When a match is all but won, I always broadcast over chat that if they power down and let us cap they can live... they NEVER have.

Then probably come on MWO Forums to write a perectly articulated post about how they lose c-bills and the game is unplayable without premium.

Edited by 00dlez, 13 November 2012 - 07:00 AM.

[Penance]

for a second i thought this was going to be an "I quit thread"

[Cole Allard]

did he say something against the AC2?

Did you say anything against the AC2?

I thought I heard so. 1 AC2 is 1 AC1 more then needed to finish a handfull pug'ers!

Have a nice day

[River McCain]

I will always go down fighting, I will never surrender as long I have the ability to inflict damage, and perhaps destroy an enemy.

Just Saying.

[potatoparrot]

Generally if the fight is most assuredly lost I will go through a checklist to determine what to do:

1) Am I nearly dead? Internals damaged, armour gone?
If not, I'm gonna keep fighting. So long as I have armour and a weapon I can and will try and kill someone. If I'm not likely to survive another hit, then...

2) Anyone at their base?
If not, might as well contest it to see if I can cap it and win. If they can cap faster, so be it. If they are sat on their base... I'll just go find a comfy corner to sit in while they cap and win. If it's a 1v1 final encounter, I'll fight to the death.

[Taryys]

I have no probs with people saying "Powering down. Cap please." when the game is all but over.

I also have no problem with elite pilots saying. "You shall win over my molten chassis!!" too.
Either way. The choice is yours.

[Jello2142]

"Life is cheap, Battlemechs are expensive" -On the back of the compendium

For the most part I will fight to the death, however if the game is just so bad that there isn't a hope in hell I will some times power down and hope the opposing team has some honor but I never expect any. Powering down or tactically falling back to a safe area was/are valid tactics of battletech so normally if someone announces that they are powering down I won't go out of my way to core them but rather let them be.

BUT! In a world full of cowadoody babies I don't see much respect in the people giving up gracefully side of things

Edited by Jello2142, 13 November 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[Stickjock]

To the OP... had a battle a few weeks back...

Was on River City in my Founders Cat (2xLRM15's/w 6tons ammo, 3xML, TAG)... team started on the north cap area... after a hard, tough fight and everyone around the enemies cap, the end of the battle came with me in my Cat with no LRM's left and only 3xML versus an enemy Awesome with a Catapult lobbing LRM's at me...

Did I "surrender" and quit the match?? Nope... charged that Awesome using buildings to help cover me from some of the LRM fire and took him down... then flanked around where I had seen LRM fire coming from, caught the enemy Cat in the side then outmanueverd him and took him down as well...

You never know when you'll win the match... even if I had been killed... I darn sure was going to make the enemy team earn a win if they took me out...

[Tastian]

I was the last man standing. I had the only 3 kills in our pug group. I ran and hid as the other 5 enemies capped our base. Then one of our dead spectators told me to fight and die like a real warrior. Really?

In another instance, I was the last man. The other team had already announced they were a premade and flashed their name and website. We had 0 kills total including myself. I announced surrender and they told me to power down. I powered down and watched them cap our base. One of their team got trigger happy and shot at me. Another on their team reprimanded them by shooting their mech. It was an honorable battle.

[Lanessar]

I distinctly remember a match where it was down to myself against a hunchback at 35%, a catapult at 43% and an Awesome at 75%, piloting a jenner.

I finished the HBK pretty quickly, but he had stripped a lot of armor. Fighting against the Cata, I lost my right leg to his four med lasers, but managed to finish him off with an SSRM cockpit shot. My max speed was 20kph, no streak missiles left, merely 2 small lasers.

The AWS was left, and with cover and skillful use of JJ, I managed to evade the large lasers arcing out, tearing hungrily at my internals. The others on my team called "good game!" as I saw the twin LL on his arm arc out toward me.

Tapping the jumpjets, I managed to take the brunt of the blow on my left leg, and as I came down, expected the lasers to finish me, so sent out my small lasers hoping to get through the remaining armor on his CT. As the finish screen flashed, I expected the inevitable "defeat" message.

Instead, it said "victory".

The moral of the story is:

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, and glory lasts forever.

[00dlez]

Stickjock, on 13 November 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

To the OP... had a battle a few weeks back...

Was on River City in my Founders Cat (2xLRM15's/w 6tons ammo, 3xML, TAG)... team started on the north cap area... after a hard, tough fight and everyone around the enemies cap, the end of the battle came with me in my Cat with no LRM's left and only 3xML versus an enemy Awesome with a Catapult lobbing LRM's at me...

Did I "surrender" and quit the match?? Nope... charged that Awesome using buildings to help cover me from some of the LRM fire and took him down... then flanked around where I had seen LRM fire coming from, caught the enemy Cat in the side then outmanueverd him and took him down as well...

You never know when you'll win the match... even if I had been killed... I darn sure was going to make the enemy team earn a win if they took me out...

That isn't a "sure win" at least not in my book and I wouldn't blame you for giving that a shot, because as you demostrated, it's possible to pull it out.

But when your armless Yen Lo Wang is up against 5 mechs, give it up bro, its over.

[Ritter Cuda]

is was in a game last night we droped with a team of 3 one got dc. ... this is going bad ok I take my hunch my team mate is in an atlas. we start mixing it up few mins later I'm out we are 0,6 somy team mate is the lone mech he is down to 2 MRL he backs up to a wall. I tell him he has to kill them all (as a joke) ... he did. (we won) the other team was beat to hell but not dead. so lesson learned never give up

[Heeden]

There's no shame in knowing when you are beaten, however my Jenner is dirt-cheap to repair so if I'm the last man standing I usually do my best comet impression over the mechs capping my base, streaking across the sky leaving a trail of debris and hoping to explode before I land.

[xenoglyph]

It's a game. I guess if powering down and cowering in the shadows to save a couple cbills is your idea of fun, keep it up.

As for me, I will fight. And if I have nothing but a weaponless dented hulk to fight with, I'll defiantly limp my way to the enemy cap.

Edited by xenoglyph, 13 November 2012 - 07:22 AM.

[Mu]

when I feel my team deserves it I fight to the end, and occasionally I've pulled out a win by sacrificing myself to run circles around 4 enemies in our base while our last guy capped theirs. When I do all the work and half my team suicided or didn't play at all, it's time to play Hide the Hunchback.

[Mitta]

I've been in the situation where It was 5 against two. I was even limping in my jenner (full fire power available) and the other was a full functioning commando. The enemy was scattered so we managed to kill them all. So no overwhelming enemy numbers ain't a reason to quit

[Kaspirikay]

NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER

VICTORY OR DEATH

RAWRRRRRRRRRRR

[Stickjock]

00dlez, on 13 November 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

But when your armless Yen Lo Wang is up against 5 mechs, give it up bro, its over.

Not that I've even piloted my Yen Lo Wang yet... but even then... "give it up bro"?? Never... again, they want the win, I'm going to make sure they earn it and not roll over... yup, they may annihilate me and give me a huge repair bill... but still... I will always do MY best and go for that win or to take as many of them down as I can before getting cored...

Silly I know... then again, fighting is much more fun IMO than powering down and cowering...

[Mudslinger]

I prefer to fight until the end..."blaze of glory" and all that. But with those games, now and then, where I hit my TAB key and I see 7-8 players versus me alone...I see not point. Sorry, but I just don't.

Even so, if I cycle through the targets and see a red core, I will most likely go for the kill anyway - but that almost never works out while you have 7-8 mechs smackin' on ya all at once poundin' ya from different directions.

See my sig for summary. /sarcasm