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[Shredhead]

verybad, on 26 April 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I think there are a number of people in the community that will ***** about any changes in anything from the original design in the Capellan Confederation Handbook (3028). They don't even need to have liked the original design, they're just whining complainers about any changes at all. The design is simply better artwork than the original, it looks more stealthy, it looks more military, and looks functional as well as cool.

The people complaining that it "doesn't look like a Raven" are the same that would complain about getting a $20 dollar bill when you owed them $19.00.

That's simply unfair. You Sir, are a troll. And now go back under your bridge.

[Adridos]

verybad, on 26 April 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I think there are a number of people in the community that will ***** about any changes in anything from the original design in the Capellan Confederation Handbook (3028). They don't even need to have liked the original design, they're just whining complainers about any changes at all.

Tell me the name of your favourite mech.

[Der Basilisk]

I don´t know, but for me, it looks like the proportions aren´t right. The legs look bigger than the torso. But maybe, it´s just the pose.
And that nose really reminds me of an anteater.

[BL00D RAVEN]

Which is it?

I see a fox and I think it is more because of the size and location of the weapons giving it ears.

[Monky]

I think people are honestly being pretty open and direct about what they don't like about it rather than just 'complaining' to rephrase what verybad said. In fact, this is a good thing because it means we are capable of criticizing things we actually disagree with rather than becoming fanboys who can't see past their nose.

From what I've seen - lack of pointed nose and right arm lasers being retro looking rather than more consistent with the 'new' more practical style are the main ones. I also see some complaints about overly resembling a bushwhacker, but the only thing that is reminescent of that is the NARC launcher being elevated above the center torso, but it's always been that way on the Raven anyhow afaik.

[Adridos]

Nah, it lookes more like anteater, or better yet, the dog I do not know the name of. Black, agressive, mid height, very fast, musculous, but slim you get the picture by now.

[verybad]

Shredhead, on 26 April 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

That's simply unfair. You Sir, are a troll. And now go back under your bridge.

How is it unfair? I've been part of the Battletech Community for over 20 years. People complained about every single chainge made along the way. They complained about the 4th succession war, they complained about the clans, they complained about the FedCom civil war, they complained about the Jihad, now they're complaining about the upcoming Dark Age. Not everyone complains, but there's a large enough portion of the community that simply whines about every single change.

You're free to believe what you want, but I've seen this behavior for a very long time, and you can go take a walk back to your bridge. If you take what I said personally, then it probably hit on a bit of truth.

Don't call me a troll when your'e the one making it personal.

Edited by verybad, 26 April 2012 - 12:18 PM.

[Grendel408]

I personally love the new redesigns the Devs are coming up with... brings a more militaristic style to the game versus the older designs from the TROs (early work that is... 3060+ artwork improved greatly in details). Anyone who doesn't like the new Raven is smoking some serious crack and will complain about anything different (especially if the Unseen are redesigned... nay to the naysayers!) I've got to agree with the comment below

verybad, on 26 April 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I think there are a number of people in the community that will ***** about any changes in anything from the original design in the Capellan Confederation Handbook (3028). They don't even need to have liked the original design, they're just whining complainers about any changes at all. The design is simply better artwork than the original, it looks more stealthy, it looks more military, and looks functional as well as cool.

The people complaining that it "doesn't look like a Raven" are the same that would complain about getting a $20 dollar bill when you owed them $19.00.

[Motionless]

verybad, on 26 April 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I think there are a number of people in the community that will ***** about any changes in anything from the original design in the Capellan Confederation Handbook (3028). They don't even need to have liked the original design, they're just whining complainers about any changes at all. The design is simply better artwork than the original, it looks more stealthy, it looks more military, and looks functional as well as cool.

The people complaining that it "doesn't look like a Raven" are the same that would complain about getting a $20 dollar bill when you owed them $19.00.

You might want to get that butthurt checked out by a doctor.

I think most if not all of the people who have actually said anything about their dislike did so in a reasonable way and I think calling saying that they would complain over any changes at all is a leap that you can not justify.

And stating that any piece of art is 'simply better' than any other is not a can of worms I don't think you'll find many are actually willing to follow you into.

[Monky]

I think he is simply complaining about people. Troll detected, evading incoming e-bitterness.

[Motionless]

verybad, on 26 April 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

How is it unfair?

I'm pretty sure he's saying it's unfair because your response to criticism of the redesign doesn't actually defend the design or invalidate the criticism, it's an attempt to invalidate the PEOPLE who make the criticism. It's an intellectually dishonest way to argue about something.

He can correct me if he meant something different.

[Toothman]

Looks good. Everyone knew what it was on sight. We can't make our high tech armor curve now and we are ahead of the mechwarrior universe in terms of armor,ballistic weapons and rockets/missiles. Yes I understand its a game but I like this slight tweak of realism.

[verybad]

Motionless, on 26 April 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

You might want to get that butthurt checked out by a doctor.

I think most if not all of the people who have actually said anything about their dislike did so in a reasonable way and I think calling saying that they would complain over any changes at all is a leap that you can not justify.

And stating that any piece of art is 'simply better' than any other is not a can of worms I don't think you'll find many are actually willing to follow you into.

I'm not the one complaining about the (rather minor) changes...If your feel threatened by me calling out complainers don't take it personally please.

There are many of the posts in the Raven release thread that aren't reasonable at all. I suppose you're simply ignoring them to make yourself seem reasonable. Talking about my butthurt without me even saying anything to you before this does not strengthen your argument. It might make you feel better for a short period of time I suppose, but it's rude.

My impressions of the updated Raven, it looks more military, stealthy, more functional. It's a modernized design taking ideas from unit's like th F117 and B1. It's sleek and mean looking.

Edited by verybad, 26 April 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[BL00D RAVEN]

I'm starting to not care after all this. At least we have the Raven and my name is not pointless.

Getting $20 when someone owes you $19 is not fair, either you cheated them out of a dollar or now you owe them.

Edited by BL00D RAVEN, 26 April 2012 - 12:36 PM.

[Aelos03]

verybad, on 26 April 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I think there are a number of people in the community that will ***** about any changes in anything from the original design in the Capellan Confederation Handbook (3028). They don't even need to have liked the original design, they're just whining complainers about any changes at all. The design is simply better artwork than the original, it looks more stealthy, it looks more military, and looks functional as well as cool.

The people complaining that it "doesn't look like a Raven" are the same that would complain about getting a $20 dollar bill when you owed them $19.00.

Well sir i think you are [wordfilter evasion] i don't need to like everything, i cant just change my mind. In this case why some of us don't like it is because detail that defines raven is not there.We are not complaining just saying what we think keep that in mind, we will love this mech one way or another so stop trolling its not going to work here.

Edited by Ghost, 26 April 2012 - 01:14 PM.
Language.

[Hayashi]

monky, on 26 April 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

In fact, this is a good thing because it means we are capable of criticizing things we actually disagree with rather than becoming fanboys who can't see past their nose.

I can see past my nose, but I'm having difficult seeing past the Raven's.

[Arnie1808]

BL00D RAVEN, on 26 April 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Which is it?

I see a fox and I think it is more because of the size and location of the weapons giving it ears.

totally agree with you I think it comes down to the "nose" part and the location/style of the cockpit to me but that does not look like a Raven

[barcode]

Overall it's the most deviant of the designs (other than maybe the Centurion, but nobody liked the old Centurion so there were no complaints ) and this obviously causes a conflict for most people. It could use a more blatant downward slant on the nose, I say, but overall it's a good design.

(EDIT: As noted, perhaps it will look better when the entire thing is shrunken down in scale with the other 'Mechs. The nose will seem more pointy thanks to the decreased overall size, which may help.)

Edited by barcode, 26 April 2012 - 12:35 PM.

[zzzuk]

Absolutely yes. I think it´s a good idea to make IS Mechs different ("industrial" or "military" looking) from the Clan ones more than is usual in other Battletech products. It speaks about the differences in technological level (Clans have the skill to make their Mechs look more how they want to, IS designs are dependent on technology that is used in them) and philosophy (Clan Mechs are representing their pilots´ code - Zellbringen, IS ones are little bit more only warhorses).

About the nose: it´s a fact that most of the Raven variants are stuffed with electronics, including Beagle Active Probe (BAP) - it´s the logical reason for the nose to look like that. It reminds me little bit of the american RAH-66 Comanche helicopter, that has a long-range sensor in it´s nose too.

[verybad]

Aelos03, on 26 April 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Well sir i think you are a [wordfilter evasion] i don't need to like everything, i cant just change my mind. In this case why some of us don't like it is because detail that defines raven is not there.We are not complaining just saying what we think keep that in mind, we will love this mech one way or another so stop trolling its not going to work here.

Reported

You're way out of line.

Just becaus I don't agree with you does not call for that behavior.