Should Ecm Be Available To All Chassis?
#1
Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:49 PM
Personally, I'm going to be hard pressed to justify the three Ravens sitting in my garage if Jenner pilots will also be able to field ECM and be anywhere near as effective. But that's my own bias. What do you think?
#2
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:02 PM
#3
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:03 PM
Yet to see how they'll implement the Spider though.
#4
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:05 PM
but other than that i was really hoping that electronic gear would be limited. why take a raven when you can do the same to a jenner?
#5
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:10 PM
#6
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:13 PM
Kaspirikay, on 15 November 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:
Not certain. The best info I have is from the unofficial MWO wiki:
Electronic Countermeasure (ECM) - a device that jams enemy sensors to a degree.
Beagle Active Probe - a sensor suite that enhances the units onboard detection systems. Essentially it boosts radar coverage, locking and scan strength.
Also there's this from the Command Chair entry by Bryan Ekman (http://mwomercs.com/...0-into-the-lab/):
ECM
We've had several internal playtests. Overall I'm excited to see this hit the battlefield, as it adds a very interesting tactical component. However, in its current state is very overpowered and makes certain mech builds even more useful (Gausspults). There was some general usability feedback from the team. Some found it hard to visualize, others wanted more indication that a friendly unit had an ECM equipped.
We're keeping it in test until some HUD/BattleGrid changes help smooth out communication, along with making sure the ECM is not OP. For those wanting to hide from LRMs, this will be your must have item.
#7
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:15 PM
Make it an option. The Hardpoint system is already limiting variety and that horribly 1.4 DHS nerf killed a ton of otherwie viable builds too.
Don't kill variety please.
#8
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:19 PM
#9
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:20 PM
#10
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:21 PM
Ezrekiel, on 15 November 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:
Make it an option. The Hardpoint system is already limiting variety and that horribly 1.4 DHS nerf killed a ton of otherwie viable builds too.
Don't kill variety please.
I'm not necessarily trying to change your opinion, but since you seem in favor of variety, I'm curious...
Why would you pilot a Raven if a Jenner could field ECM and be just as effective?
#11
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:32 PM
I think its in the game's best interest if great care is taken to preserve mech diversity. I do love customization and seeing different players' loadouts, but at the same time I think you should expect something like a Raven to perfom a certain role and to do it well; to have its own niche on the battlefield.
#12
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:54 PM
ECM should be a few varient and few chassis specific otherwise EVERYONE will roll with it and would negate the TEAM-ROLE playing aspect of MWO.
Restricting it will enable people to play more intelligently and tactially with groups considering what they consist of instead of everyone just going 'PFFFTTT' and all rolling out on it.
#13
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:02 PM
#14
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:02 PM
Simply, NO.
#15
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:05 PM
ECM should be a pretty specialist role, distinct from the support brawler or scout/spotter - there arent a ton of reasons to own ravens otherwise.
#16
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:10 PM
As an example, the Hunchback 4G. Usually considered the weakest of the Hunchbacks, mainly because the 4H is able to do almost everything that the G can do but with more energy slots. Giving the 4G the ability to mount an ECM (along with it's only advantage, 3 ballistic points in the hunch) would help that mech out a lot. Same for the Jenner variant that is overshadowed by the others.
Please note: When I say "weakest variant" I am not saying that those variants are useless, just that they could use *something* to make them stand out a bit more than they currently do, and ECM/BAP might be a way to increase their desirability compared to the other variants available.
#17
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:13 PM
Maybe all mechs could have one or the other (ecm, bap) but only a few chassis could mount both. That limits the OP'ness of it while still allowing some diversity.
#18
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:26 PM
Less than 10% of CBT IS mechs had any variants with ECM.
At our current point only the Raven-3L that's in the game. Eventually ('58 and '60) there's an Hunchback-5P, Atlas and Awesome with one variant each equipped with ECM.
From either a CBT purest (which I'm not) or as a player that wants to keep some variety in the game, I think ECM should be only available for very few mech variants
#19
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:29 PM
A blasphemy!
#20
Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:35 PM
Tickdoff Tank, on 15 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:
As an example, the Hunchback 4G. Usually considered the weakest of the Hunchbacks, mainly because the 4H is able to do almost everything that the G can do but with more energy slots. Giving the 4G the ability to mount an ECM (along with it's only advantage, 3 ballistic points in the hunch) would help that mech out a lot. Same for the Jenner variant that is overshadowed by the others.
Please note: When I say "weakest variant" I am not saying that those variants are useless, just that they could use *something* to make them stand out a bit more than they currently do, and ECM/BAP might be a way to increase their desirability compared to the other variants available.
Problem...
The "weakest" Jenner still overshadows the "strongest" Raven.
It features a lower profile, jumpjets, the same armor capacity, at least as many weapon hardpoints (if not more), and can be fitted with a considerably larger engine.
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