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[Solis Obscuri]

B B Wolfe, on 14 January 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

Oh, god. How is this still alive and still full of people screaming about things that won't affect them at all? Jeebus.

I find better ways to amuse myself.

[Pest]

Back in my MW 4 Veng. days, the only times I played much 3rd person was in capture the flag, steal the bacon, and dodge ball. 3rd person is pretty much necessary in those modes.
My hopes are that as the new game matures, these modes will be included especially for clan v clan matches. They were always a hoot. I played with Arura Clan and White Pine Pizza Clan after the demise of Arura.

[Overdrive]

Is it possible to have 3rd person viewing only available on certain modes?

It does seem like it would be advantageous, but I'm really looking forward to playing this as a sim/fps specifically for that reason but wouldn't want to be hindering my own performance because of that.

Saying that, if the option was available I would have a crack at it here or there just for something a bit different.

[Pando]

Alois Hammer, on 14 January 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Want the ignorance level to drop? Stop posting.



The same "they" also said, AND I QUOTE




But you go right ahead cherry-picking which of their statements are mere suggestions, to be altered at will, and which are Holy Gospel Written In Stone™ based on which ones you prefer, while demanding that the ignorance stop.

Alois Hammer, on 14 January 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Want the ignorance level to drop? Stop posting.



The same "they" also said, AND I QUOTE




But you go right ahead cherry-picking which of their statements are mere suggestions, to be altered at will, and which are Holy Gospel Written In Stone™ based on which ones you prefer, while demanding that the ignorance stop.

Here we go. Thanks for posting that quote. I'm glad you don't easily comprehend what you read so let me "break it down" for you.

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

I'll just leave this here for you to ascertain what's going on since clearly you haven't got a clue.

[shotokan5]

I have challenged a great number of times to come on a podcast and explain their purpose and goals for this game. Since my last post having no response then as I questioned that they show now they have no honor. A way to be able to see behind you without spending a fortune would be much more productive than this first person concept. You can't even program in a rear view mirror in 3050? Are there those who want third person yes. Because MW4 had such an impact on persons who played 3rd person for years that is what they want. I spoke to one of the best mech pilots from mech 4 the other day. He said that he had played this game but really like in MW4 wanted 3rd person. While I do not agree with what he says, being one of the best in mw4, I must respect his opinion. I again challenge who is really pulling the strings about the concept of 3rd person come forth and on a podcast find out what your faulty reasoning is behind this Like MS. if this is the case then us founders spent a small fortune for an advertising falsehood.

[Dagonde65]

It will give the advantage of more situational awareness, not having to use the damage con to see where fire comes from, and for smaller mechs, takes away our "ninja" ability to stay on a enemy mechs tail, would be able to "read" our movements

[Lianesch ZA]

My 5c on this topic.

Implement 3rd person in spec mode only.

During battle, no thanks.

This is a Mech Combat simulator right, or suppose to be something like that. I don't see pilots jumping out there mech's to look behind corners. My Gauss rounds would tear there flesh off even if I miss and they would need SPF2000 sunblock to protect them from the intense heat from my Large Lasers

I didn't read the million posts on this topic, so if its been said and argued against, fine but thought I would voice my opinion regardless.

Lian

[smokefield]

3rd person will give some advantages over 1st person, no doubt about it...so in the worst case they should not be mixed.

What i would suggest is :

First and most important - finish the game. adress the bugs, add more maps, just finish the game so we can have a game and not a beta.
If things work well..make a mod for the game where ppl can use 3rd person. In that moment we will see how many will use it. With a mod there will be no interferences between and everyone will get what they want...

[trebormills]

Im all for it in replay mode or spectator mode but dont se the need for actual in game play. However if over 50% of the active player base want this it does make sense

[Fut]

trebormills, on 17 January 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

However if over 50% of the active player base want this it does make sense

Not necessarily. What if 51% of the player base wanted to have the option to exit their Mech to shoot RPGs and Anti-Mech Bazookas? Should the Devs start working on that too?

[sunprice]

I think IGN should change the name of this game to BattleMech : Online cause when they bring the 3rd person view into the game, you are not a mech pilot anymore ( MechWarrior ), just a giant walking robot . LOL

Edited by sunprice, 17 January 2013 - 07:17 AM.

[sunprice]

Fut, on 17 January 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

Not necessarily. What if 51% of the player base wanted to have the option to exit their Mech to shoot RPGs and Anti-Mech Bazookas? Should the Devs start working on that too?

Hey , that's a very good idea , IGN should add tanks , planes , infantry to the game too .
Make them NPC that follow players to support them and we could buy them in the store ....

[Rejarial Galatan]

Pando, on 09 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

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sorry, no matter what Russ THINKS or tries to CLAIM, there is 0 way that 3rd person has ANY disadvantage, UNLESS, and it will NOT happen by gum, the external camera is physically bolted to the mech's shoulder <right or left, does not matter> OR either hip and shows the view from THAT angle ONLY and would go DARK/off the INSTANT you fire the jump jets, other wise, sorry, that external view is too advantageous to the person using it. Seeing above/around obstacles at ZERO risk to you IS the advantage, PERIOD.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Also, there is this little problem of doing somethings they said they will not/do not want to do.

First off, there is the little issue of the Lead designer, you know him, Paul Inouye, saying that this game is 100% FIRST PERSON ONLY, as third person violates a key design pillar on MANY levels. Oh heck, read this link: http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

Okay, problem one is listed. This game was sold to us as being first person. Oh, also, there is this: http://mwomercs.com/game down at the bottom, top of the final blurb under the how the game works. They state the implicit FACT of FIRST PERSON quite clearly. So, legally speaking, this game is being blatantly advertised as FIRST PERSON, to do anything other than that, is, well, a violation of LAW, the whole, truth in advertising law, you know, the one that says, if a product is not as described it is considered an illegal marketing practice unless you have a disclaimer saying something else entirely. THAT is problem 2, its a LEGAL issue, flame me all you want, you know I am right.

Next, and this is the thing they say they do NOT want to do. Split the player base. IF things work as Russ is suggesting, then, guess what, they just split the player base, period. 2 separate meta games, 2 separate servers with one for EACH view point only. Also, it makes this game even MORE complicated in terms of coding, because there are already HUGE problems with the game, like no real tutorial that, you know, explains how things ACTUALLY work or how to DO anything, and well, if you want to make certain that if you want ONE style over the other, that they are mutually exclusive, yet more code to add to the mess. Worse yet if they want a server with things able to be mixed, more code, more problems, more chances for things to break more.

No, it is better, easier, SMARTER to stop pandering to the players who just cant understand the torso facing and leg facing are 2 distinctly separate things <like your head and torso and legs being different, just think about walking with a friend/gf/wife/bf/husband and talking to them, just picture that, that or driving, you get the idea>.

[Gray 46rus]

After all, People have said their word.

[Bhael Fire]

I don't care if they have 3rd person...as long as it's not available in 1st person matches. You gotta keep 'em separated.

(cue song)

[Rejarial Galatan]

Bhael Fire, on 18 January 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I don't care if they have 3rd person...as long as it's not available in 1st person matches. You gotta keep 'em separated.

(cue song)

and cue PGI/IGP doing something they refuse to do: separate and split the player base. Best move for them, scrap this 3rd person view garbage and stick to what they advertised from the start. FIRST PERSON.

Edited by Rejarial Galatan, 18 January 2013 - 07:58 PM.

[Sciontis]

If you think about it, 3rd person would not be a good idea, after all who needs third person when one has 2 advanced options already, 1 the map, and 2 360 view when it comes to the ability that you get for your GXP

What would be a REAL improvement is if they implimented something called Track IR movement, That way, one can look up down left, right, up, down inside the cockpit without using the ctrl function.

Edited by Raija, 19 January 2013 - 08:00 AM.

[Gremlich Johns]

Rejarial Galatan, on 18 January 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

and cue PGI/IGP doing something they refuse to do: separate and split the player base. Best move for them, scrap this 3rd person view garbage and stick to what they advertised from the start. FIRST PERSON.

It will not split the player base.

What split the player base during the MW# video game days was the fact that people that played FFP ran out of server options (unless they established FFP only servers themselves) and HAD to play in what was available - 3rd Person view servers. If there are separate servers for FFP only and 3rd person view only, the MW:O player base will stay consistent. If there is no separate accommodation for both AND they do not stay separate, THAT is when your prediction will come true.

And once I have to play a single MW:O game where I cannot play unless I have to play against someone else playing in 3rd person view. I will drop MW:O and play exclusively MW:LL, the much better game.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Gremlich Johns, on 19 January 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

It will not split the player base.

What split the player base during the MW# video game days was the fact that people that played FFP ran out of server options (unless they established FFP only servers themselves) and HAD to play in what was available - 3rd Person view servers. If there are separate servers for FFP only and 3rd person view only, the MW:O player base will stay consistent. If there is no separate accommodation for both AND they do not stay separate, THAT is when your prediction will come true.

And once I have to play a single MW:O game where I cannot play unless I have to play against someone else playing in 3rd person view. I will drop MW:O and play exclusively MW:LL, the much better game.

Well, firstly, there is the fact that the majority do not want 3rd person and want absolutely nothing to do with it, so, that means we will constantly fight in FFP, which splits us off from the gutter snipes who want 3rd PP. Then, there is the fact that, this will affect community warfare, and that further splits us. And if they want to make it so that 1st person never fights a 3rd person then, that by common sense means 2 servers or a set of codes that make the 2 catastrophically incompatible, which again is a split. Also, there is the matter of the law that covers false advertising, and the whole thing that there is documented proof that they said they would NOT do this to this game, and the game tab above these posts you are reading. Click it, scroll down, bottom box, first paragraph. FIRST PERSON PERSPECTIVE. Also, there is the fact that, this game is broken right now, and adding in what could end up to be several million more lines of code <potentially> could further fracture an already unstable game. This is NOT viable any way you shake it.