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[JollyAmerican]

original mech warrior games had the 3rd person option i dont see what the big deal is about it really

[Gremlich Johns]

Rejarial Galatan, on 19 January 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Well, firstly, there is the fact that the majority do not want 3rd person and want absolutely nothing to do with it, so, that means we will constantly fight in FFP, which splits us off from the gutter snipes who want 3rd PP.

yes, but do not think of it as a split, view it as keeping us separate.

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Then, there is the fact that, this will affect community warfare, and that further splits us.

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And if they want to make it so that 1st person never fights a 3rd person then, that by common sense means 2 servers or a set of codes that make the 2 catastrophically incompatible, which again is a split.

specious arguments and "catastrophically"? Please. they will not combine so each can play the way they want. Polls indicate more prefer FFP anyway.

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Also, there is the matter of the law that covers false advertising, and the whole thing that there is documented proof that they said they would NOT do this to this game, and the game tab above these posts you are reading. Click it, scroll down, bottom box, first paragraph. FIRST PERSON PERSPECTIVE. Also, there is the fact that, this game is broken right now, and adding in what could end up to be several million more lines of code <potentially> could further fracture an already unstable game. This is NOT viable any way you shake it.

they did not enter into a covenant with us so there is nothing legally binding between us and them about what they put into or keep out of the game

I understand your rather fervent point of view, but there will be FFP and there MIGHT be a 3PV option that will not cross paths with the FFP - that is what PGI has indicated in prior interviews since they first said FFP only.

JollyAmerican, on 20 January 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

original mech warrior games had the 3rd person option i dont see what the big deal is about it really

because 3rd person view sucks for a game such as MW, that's why it's a problem. It has its place in Mario Cart, but not in a MW game.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Gremlich Johns, on 20 January 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

yes, but do not think of it as a split, view it as keeping us separate.

split = separate = what they CLAIM to NOT want to do.

Gremlich Johns, on 20 January 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

specious arguments and "catastrophically"? Please. they will not combine so each can play the way they want. Polls indicate more prefer FFP anyway.

there are players, founders for the most part <of the group who, WILL leave the instant they cross the streams <if PGI is foolish enough to ignore the backlash they are getting and the amount of decrying this that is already going on> and allow a 3PP to play a 1PP player. They MUST split the players and make it so that each view is exclusive to it's own kind. It will harm them, they have already lost a lot of faith from even the most hardened of us for a lot of what is going on. This is the straw that may KILL the camel let alone break its back.

Gremlich Johns, on 20 January 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

they did not enter into a covenant with us so there is nothing legally binding between us and them about what they put into or keep out of the game

the moment they place the statement of features and style of play, it is legally an advertisement and as such, must be adhered to lest legal backlashes ensue. Also, they have gone on record with the LEAD DESIGN PROGRAMMER Paul Inouye specifically stating this game is designed to be 100% FIRST PERSON ONLY.
http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1
this is not some veiled statement, this is a PGI Employee assumed to be in good standing with the company, posting in such a capacity declaring implicitly the intent to keep it 100% first person. This is in fact legally binding.

Gremlich Johns, on 20 January 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

I understand your rather fervent point of view, but there will be FFP and there MIGHT be a 3PV option that will not cross paths with the FFP - that is what PGI has indicated in prior interviews since they first said FFP only.


because 3rd person view sucks for a game such as MW, that's why it's a problem. It has its place in Mario Cart, but not in a MW game.

In order to keep each view type separate, it requires separating players into each view, rendering them incompatible with the opposing view, which, circles right back into their declared desire to NOT split the player base in the first place. This game is broken in so many ways right now, that they would cripple the game if they did such a foolish thing like this. We are not talking 1 or even 100 lines of code, but potentially millions if not MORE lines of code, which would essentially rewrite this into a SECOND game with 100% THIRD person views. IF this game was on its 3rd or 4th YEAR and functionally stable, I could see adding in an arcade server with 3rd person, but, coming off a lightning fast alpha phase <friends and family 'beta'> then an equally fast CLOSED BETA into FULL if BROKEN launch, yes, this title IS launched, period, they would basically dump lethal doses of anesthetic into the patient and kill it off to even TRY to add in third person views right now.

[Muckie Bernd]

Just an information for those, who are arguing against a 3rd person view, because they think MWO is a "simulation".
A simulation simulates something that is really existing.
This is not the case for mechs.

So, please use more relevant arguments ;-)

[kf envy]

3ed person view should only be usable for players that are dead.

[Johnny Rico]

the only way i would be okay with 3rd person is A there wont be a advantage(like seeing around corners without being seen) and on power down or overheat it makes you go back to first person like your therms.i hate 3rd person games because of the hiding around corners using the camera to your advantage.

Muckie Bernd, on 21 January 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

Just an information for those, who are arguing against a 3rd person view, because they think MWO is a "simulation".
A simulation simulates something that is really existing.
This is not the case for mechs.

So, please use more relevant arguments ;-)

i mean in 3050 im sure we will have way better then this,and mechs exist btw in japan,forgot whats its called but its real. it aslo could mean a little hovering puck with a camera in it to see 3rd person on said mech...not too far fetched for 3050

Edited by Reiko 1337, 21 January 2013 - 05:05 PM.

[Neogodhobo]

Muckie Bernd, on 21 January 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

Just an information for those, who are arguing against a 3rd person view, because they think MWO is a "simulation".
A simulation simulates something that is really existing.
This is not the case for mechs.

So, please use more relevant arguments ;-)

Of course Mechs do exist in real life...what about the Land Walker....



Oh and the KURATA



There is also other kind of "mech" :




So there you go, Mech warrior is a simulation game.

Edited by Neogodhobo, 21 January 2013 - 08:53 PM.

[smokefield]

i think i said somewhere else on some other topic that was tyangentially related with 3th person...I would prefer PGI to work on the flaws of the game we have now, then add more content - maps, mechs, weapons..in one word..finish the game and make it work. Then - if..a big IF..the community still wants...make a game mod that adds 3th person. A mod..not implement the option in the game. Whoever wants the 3th person just installs the mod and they can play with others who installed the mod also.

[Blastbox]

I would personally go for the 3rd person view. As a fan of the original MW games back on the xbox, I'm used to seeing my entire mech on the battlefield. Of course, that's my opinion. I'm not going to insult whoever disagrees.

[Sealawyer]

Blastbox, on 22 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

I would personally go for the 3rd person view. As a fan of the original MW games back on the xbox, I'm used to seeing my entire mech on the battlefield. Of course, that's my opinion. I'm not going to insult whoever disagrees.

Orginal MW games were on the C64 not the xbox. You just made me feel old.

[Demoned]

Sealawyer, on 22 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Orginal MW games were on the C64 not the xbox. You just made me feel old.

as do I now, remember the days you had to wait hours for a game loads up? now kiddies moan at a black screen that last more than 10seconds

[Blastbox]

Sealawyer, on 22 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Orginal MW games were on the C64 not the xbox. You just made me feel old.

Well, i was only a kid when i got that game.... I didn't even know C64s existed back then.
Interesting.

Also, I hate kids that moan when something doesn't load for more than 10 seconds. i think there is a name for them... impatient immature children, shall I say?

Edited by Blastbox, 22 January 2013 - 06:22 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

smokefield, on 22 January 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

i think i said somewhere else on some other topic that was tyangentially related with 3th person...I would prefer PGI to work on the flaws of the game we have now, then add more content - maps, mechs, weapons..in one word..finish the game and make it work. Then - if..a big IF..the community still wants...make a game mod that adds 3th person. A mod..not implement the option in the game. Whoever wants the 3th person just installs the mod and they can play with others who installed the mod also.

bad idea. period. there is no way to limit the prevalence of such a mod and it would basically force any NON modded player to get said mod to remain competitive. No, simpler to NOT have it. Period.

Blastbox, on 22 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

I would personally go for the 3rd person view. As a fan of the original MW games back on the xbox, I'm used to seeing my entire mech on the battlefield. Of course, that's my opinion. I'm not going to insult whoever disagrees.

the ORIGINAL MechWarrior was on PC LONG before XBOX came around. Sorry, but, you are a MECH PILOT, and NOT a remote drone operator, as such, it is proper and fitting to be IN the mech, not behind it.

[Deathz Jester]

Blastbox, on 22 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

I would personally go for the 3rd person view. As a fan of the original MW games back on the xbox, I'm used to seeing my entire mech on the battlefield. Of course, that's my opinion. I'm not going to insult whoever disagrees.

Rejarial Galatan, on 22 January 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

the ORIGINAL MechWarrior was on PC LONG before XBOX came around. Sorry, but, you are a MECH PILOT, and NOT a remote drone operator, as such, it is proper and fitting to be IN the mech, not behind it.

Makes me feel old when someone says "original mechwarrior on xbox", it also makes me laugh.

[Rejarial Galatan]

I am sitting here holding my GAME DISC for MW2 and wishing I could play it again, OR that they would remake it with TODAYS graphics capabilities!!!

[Deathz Jester]

Rejarial Galatan, on 22 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

I am sitting here holding my GAME DISC for MW2 and wishing I could play it again, OR that they would remake it with TODAYS graphics capabilities!!!

I can hardly remember 2, I played 3 and Pirate's Moon. I remember thinking the 3rd person sucked in that lol.


*totally unrelated, well slightly related note* - they remastered Baldur's Gate and now I feel old looking at my 6 disks in a folder......that wont even run so now I'm buying the remastered version. lol

[Rejarial Galatan]

I remember MW2 as if it was only this morning. It is why I am hell bent on saving my 20,000 MC for when I can FINALLY after nearly 20 YEARS play again as Clan Wolf and drive my Timber Wolf again!

[IG 88]

Iron Harlequin, on 22 January 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

I can hardly remember 2, I played 3 and Pirate's Moon. I remember thinking the 3rd person sucked in that lol.


*totally unrelated, well slightly related note* - they remastered Baldur's Gate and now I feel old looking at my 6 disks in a folder......that wont even run so now I'm buying the remastered version. lol

retail original bg work on all windows
with mod, its better then that EE

Edited by IG 88, 23 January 2013 - 11:13 AM.

[RCJ]

Rejarial Galatan, on 22 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

I am sitting here holding my GAME DISC for MW2 and wishing I could play it again, OR that they would remake it with TODAYS graphics capabilities!!!

Well, you could just run it using dosbox as I do .

[shotokan5]

Rejarial Galatan, on 23 January 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

the ORIGINAL MechWarrior was on PC LONG before XBOX came around. Sorry, but, you are a MECH PILOT, and NOT a remote drone operator, as such, it is proper and fitting to be IN the mech, not behind it.

Most simple but effective argument I have heard in these 79 pages of chicken little's. No the sky is not falling first person will stay. Rejarial Galatan, you have my most common sense statement for the month award.