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Rejarial Galatan, on 30 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

actually, from a business standpoint, it is a BAD idea to consider adding in 3rd person.

1. This game was and still is advertised as a 1st Person Only game. mwomercs.com/game section: How Does Game Play Work? First freaking sentence: MechWarrior Online puts Mechwarriors into a First Person, Team-based, tactical.... IF that is not enough, you have the game's lead designer Paul Inouye, speaking from his PGI account which makes it an Official PGI Post where not only is an EMPLOYEE making a claim, but, it is the LEAD DESIGNER speaking with the authority of PGI backing him in the post:

MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions.

We will investigate 3rd person in the far off distance for special game settings, but this is very far off in the distance.

[color=#959595]While we appreciate those who enjoy 3rd person, MWO will be 1st person out of the gate and in the near future.

-Paul
Lead Designer
link: http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

2. As stated in point one, this makes it ADVERTISED as 1st person, which means, the truth in advertising law, specifically mandates that any company that advertises a product may not conceal, omit details or mislead consumers. If this is done, which, is exactly what would happen if 3rd person suddenly was added, PGI/IGP could face fines and forced returns of monies taken from customers based on false and or misleading information. This would bankrupt PGI as a huge portion of the Founders would instantly demand a refund, which, would hurt the bottom line.

3. They are a business sure enough, but, they also know that the ship has sailed, a huge portion of the Founders are staunchly against this, and we are the ones who are most likely if happy with the product the ones who will continue to throw money at PGI hand over fist.

edit: removed color codes from copy/paste

Yep we all know what they said originally. They also said it was going to use UE3 set in 3015 but that changed. What they bill it as has changed and could change again. I personally do not want to see 3rd in any form except maybe spectator mode. They could very well change the game drastically by adding 3^rd for business reasons but they have to weigh the impact on the players. Would it cause mass defections from the game like, say, Sony did when it changed SW Galaxies (the standard by which all epic screw ups are measured when it comes to management changing the game and miscalculating community back lash). You have a valid point that it would certainly tick off FFP fans. The facts are that what they announce could change, 3^rd is being considered probably driven by a business decision to appeal to a wider player base, and past mw titles did have 3^rd. My guess is that they already decided and they are trying to ease it into the community conversation so its not a big shock when it shows up.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 31 January 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[MWHawke]

Sajuk Kar, on 31 January 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

No you're not! Why can't you understand this? When you play this game, you take the role of a mech pilot that's sitting at the controls of his/her mech, and you're looking out his/her eyes. Thats like saying there is no such thing as a first person game, because "we're all controlling the character remotely".



Ya, just like the battlegrid that we already have in game, which is probably information that comes from a satellite and put into visual form by your computer. There's nothing wrong with that. The point that you don't seem to understand is if there is a view in the game that doesn't come from the pilot, that's fine as long as it has some in-game explanation. Like it's coming from a probe, or a satellite feed, or an externally mounted camera. But if the view doesn't have an explanation, such as a disembodied eye, that's not ok. The reason being it opens the door for everything else that makes no sense in game but is just put there as a crutch. Like collectable powerups, regenerating health, and respawns during a match with the same mech. I really wish you would acknowledge this argument, even if you disagree with it.

Don't waste your time dude. He is not interested in any other world than the one he is living in. If you read his posts (which are utter waste of times) you will realize he is just trolling in these forums.

[Runenstahl]

Hi CSJ Ranger,
don't get me wrong. I don't have to have 3rd person view. But I think people are going crazy over nothing. The devs said they would like to experiment with it and try it out. So why not ? Thats what a beta is for.

Someone pointed out that there might even be pure 1st person view matches for those who prefer it that way. If that would be the case nobody would loose anything. So why get mad about it ?

Actually there are not many good reasons for 3rd person view. The controls are simple enough as they are. It would certainly help sometimes to see your feet while moving around... happens often enough that you "bump" into a low obstacle. But then again the only real reason for 1st person view would be the "feeling". Which is important enough of course, but still doesn't seem an overwhelming reason to be nearly "hateful" to 3rd person.

All I'm saying is: give the devs a chance. Are there still issues that need to be fixed ? Sure. But overall they did a great job in bringing the BT universe to life. And I trust them to continue like that.

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German translation:

Hallo CSJ Ranger,
versteh mich nicht falsch. Ich muß nicht auf Krampf die 3rd Person View haben. Aber ich denke hier wird aus einer Mücke ein Elefant gemacht. Die Entwickler haben gesagt sie würde die 3PV gerne mal ausprobieren. Also warum nicht ? Zum ausprobieren ist eine Beta ja schließlich da.

Irgendjemand hat die Möglichkeit erwähnt das es ja auch durchaus reine 1PV matches geben könnte, für diejenigen die 3PV nicht mögen. Falls das eintritt hätte damit niemand irgendetwas verloren. Also warum aufregen ?

Tatsächlich gibt es gar nicht mal soviele gute Gründe für 3PV. Die Kontrollen sind einfach genug. Es würde sicherlich manchmal dabei helfen einen Überblick üder die Füße zu behalten... es passier oft genug das man in kleine Hindernisse hineinläuft. Andererseits ist der einzige gute Grund für 1PV nur das "Spielgefühl". Das ist natürlich wichtig genug, aber es sieht mir nicht nach einem überwältigendem Grund dafür aus die 3PV mit nahezu "haßgefühlen" zu begegnen.

Alles was ich sagen will: gib den Entwicklern doch eine Chance. Gibt es immer noch Probleme im Spiel die ausgebessert werden sollten ? Sicherlich. Aber alles in allem haben sie ein großartiges Spiel geschaffen das das BT Universum zum Leben erweckt. Und ich vertraue ihnen das sie das so fortführen werden.

[StORmTrAin]

Sajuk Kar, on 31 January 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

Stormtrain: Excuse me, but the antagonists claim was that 3rd person was a form of remote control and I stated that the reality of the matter is that we are all playing remotely.

'Sajuk Kar': No you're not! Why can't you understand this? When you play this game, you take the role of a mech pilot that's sitting at the controls of his/her mech, and you're looking out his/her eyes. Thats like saying there is no such thing as a first person game, because "we're all controlling the character remotely".

Me again: Please close your eyes and think about this for a few minutes until you can actually wrap your mind around it. You are controlling your mech remotely, the "view" is first person, but the controls are in your home and the mech is in MWO land. It is remote manipulation. YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF A PILOT IN MWO LAND REMOTELY.





Ya, just like the battlegrid that we already have in game, which is probably information that comes from a satellite and put into visual form by your computer. There's nothing wrong with that. The point that you don't seem to understand is if there is a view in the game that doesn't come from the pilot, that's fine as long as it has some in-game explanation. Like it's coming from a probe, or a satellite feed, or an externally mounted camera. But if the view doesn't have an explanation, such as a disembodied eye, that's not ok. The reason being it opens the door for everything else that makes no sense in game but is just put there as a crutch. Like collectable powerups, regenerating health, and respawns during a match with the same mech. I really wish you would acknowledge this argument, even if you disagree with it.

StORmTrAin: Just give me a satellite downlink as good as google maps and i'll be happy, make it clear and legible and call it something like "un-third person" or "first person 3.0". To fix the 3rd person "advantage" (yawn, like an advantage makes a difference against 1st person players) make the mech unable to target while in satellite view. Still suxs, but should keep the 1st person whiners happy.

As I've stated before, the game play is different than MW4 was, firstly, it's not 30 minutes long anymore (wish it was) the "peeking advantage" would not be a factor any more. Tin can alley and pop tarts are a thing of the past, the players who try this now usually get squashed very quickly by lights or the opposing team usually over runs them. This game keeps players moving, the 3rd person advantage would only be negligible. Think about it.

[Rejarial Galatan]

LakeDaemon, on 31 January 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Yep we all know what they said originally. They also said it was going to use UE3 set in 3015 but that changed. What they bill it as has changed and could change again. I personally do not want to see 3rd in any form except maybe spectator mode. They could very well change the game drastically by adding 3^rd for business reasons but they have to weigh the impact on the players. Would it cause mass defections from the game like, say, Sony did when it changed SW Galaxies (the standard by which all epic screw ups are measured when it comes to management changing the game and miscalculating community back lash). You have a valid point that it would certainly tick off FFP fans. The facts are that what they announce could change, 3^rd is being considered probably driven by a business decision to appeal to a wider player base, and past mw titles did have 3^rd. My guess is that they already decided and they are trying to ease it into the community conversation so its not a big shock when it shows up.

they have it officially advertised as 3050 in the game tab. but the thing they MUST consider is the fact that they STILL advertise it as 1st person, and to do any less is false advertising, something that very well could if not WILL end up in a court for litigation. Worse yet is, that in the prior poll before the one I started up again, 3Rd Person View Poll Revived, a significant portion of not only Elite but LEGENDARY founders stated that they would demand refunds of all monies spent on this game thus far and then leave. See, they MAY attract the console brats with 3rd person, but, they classically have next to NO attention span, and the pure evil that is the learning curve in this game will cause them to leave in the same mass they staggered in with. Top that off that the fact the founders would bail as well <not all of us perhaps, but a goodly portion of us, myself included> will leave and demand refunds if they shatter a key design pillar in the name of a money grab, and that is all it WILL be, a MONEY grab. See, it is those of us who want 1st person only one because it was advertised as such, and two, we refuse to see more pop tart cookie cutter matches which are cookie cutter enough with the BS xp system and the lack of any real content or story arc to follow <yes even a story arc is possible with PvP people> that well, it would be bad.

The killer is, if they are willing to break a key design pillar for money what other pillars will fall for money? the other MW titles had 3rd yes, but also, they had the same BS of pop tarting and literally 1 way to fight. This game proposed to be better than that. Do not let the arcade easy button brats kill this title.

[PlzDie]

Rejarial Galatan, on 31 January 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

they have it officially advertised as 3050 in the game tab. but the thing they MUST consider is the fact that they STILL advertise it as 1st person, and to do any less is false advertising, something that very well could if not WILL end up in a court for litigation. Worse yet is, that in the prior poll before the one I started up again, 3Rd Person View Poll Revived, a significant portion of not only Elite but LEGENDARY founders stated that they would demand refunds of all monies spent on this game thus far and then leave. See, they MAY attract the console brats with 3rd person, but, they classically have next to NO attention span, and the pure evil that is the learning curve in this game will cause them to leave in the same mass they staggered in with. Top that off that the fact the founders would bail as well <not all of us perhaps, but a goodly portion of us, myself included> will leave and demand refunds if they shatter a key design pillar in the name of a money grab, and that is all it WILL be, a MONEY grab. See, it is those of us who want 1st person only one because it was advertised as such, and two, we refuse to see more pop tart cookie cutter matches which are cookie cutter enough with the BS xp system and the lack of any real content or story arc to follow <yes even a story arc is possible with PvP people> that well, it would be bad.

The killer is, if they are willing to break a key design pillar for money what other pillars will fall for money? the other MW titles had 3rd yes, but also, they had the same BS of pop tarting and literally 1 way to fight. This game proposed to be better than that. Do not let the arcade easy button brats kill this title.

+1 Now this is exactly how I feel about this 3rd person crap, nice going.

[Like a Sir]

Rejarial Galatan, on 31 January 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

they have it officially advertised as 3050 in the game tab. but the thing they MUST consider is the fact that they STILL advertise it as 1st person, and to do any less is false advertising, something that very well could if not WILL end up in a court for litigation. Worse yet is, that in the prior poll before the one I started up again, 3Rd Person View Poll Revived, a significant portion of not only Elite but LEGENDARY founders stated that they would demand refunds of all monies spent on this game thus far and then leave. See, they MAY attract the console brats with 3rd person, but, they classically have next to NO attention span, and the pure evil that is the learning curve in this game will cause them to leave in the same mass they staggered in with. Top that off that the fact the founders would bail as well <not all of us perhaps, but a goodly portion of us, myself included> will leave and demand refunds if they shatter a key design pillar in the name of a money grab, and that is all it WILL be, a MONEY grab. See, it is those of us who want 1st person only one because it was advertised as such, and two, we refuse to see more pop tart cookie cutter matches which are cookie cutter enough with the BS xp system and the lack of any real content or story arc to follow <yes even a story arc is possible with PvP people> that well, it would be bad.

The killer is, if they are willing to break a key design pillar for money what other pillars will fall for money? the other MW titles had 3rd yes, but also, they had the same BS of pop tarting and literally 1 way to fight. This game proposed to be better than that. Do not let the arcade easy button brats kill this title.

In addition to that, for PGI it could be worth looking at this thread and the poll, that comes with it http://mwomercs.com/...on-mc-honestly/ I think this poll really shows that hardcore BT fans, like you stated in your post and I have stated in a couple of mine months ago, will blow a lot of money on this game. Most of us have jobs, since we got in MW ages ago, and we don't get a game made for us every 6 months (I am looking at you COD, Black Ops, BF etc)...

If PGI does indeed decide to reach out, and money grab for that majority (which they are), they will lose a lot of cash cows that the BT fans are, and gain a bunch of people, who get a new game every 6 months... Let that sink in, those games do it better then you MWO, the twitch play style, the majority of those people will take a look at you and go buy Modern Warfare Origins instead, because they can have marathon, ghost and some other perk there...

Now here is a thing, like I stated before. If MWO was a polished game, that you had to buy to play. It could maybe work, it sure does for established companies and IP's they practically resell the same damn game to the herd every time. The problem here is: MWO is free to play/try, those guys will come in, demand a bunch of crap, like strafing, crouching, sprint etc. And then bail before they they spend any money, or before you even implement the stuff, because guess what, the new FPS just came out, and it's the hottest thing there ... Who will you be left with? Oh only the BT fans that could be spending the cash on another hero mech, or another camo pattern, but they are too pissed at you and don't care to support your company after this 3PV nonsense.


Now, with all this being said. It is starting to seem that the Devs are doing leaps and bounds in communicating with us, and I won't lie, to me this month was the best one I had since closed beta. But until PGI comes out and shuts this 3PV door, STATING "we were taking crazy pills, this will never happen, feel free to quote us on it" I will consider the matter far from dead, and will keep revisiting this thread. Cheers.

TLDR: stick with the BT fans you have and cater to this niche, most of us have money to spend, reaching out to FPS crowd will not work, since they will try the game for free, then dump you for the next shiny shooter.

[Gulinborsti]

I wonder how long this discussion has to go on until PGI realize that the (vocal) majority (80%++) is against any form of 3rd person view.

It's about time that the DEVs drop the idea and move on or come up with a real good description of how their implementation of 3rd person is not going to break the game (if possible).

[Adrienne Vorton]

Like a Sir, on 31 January 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

In addition to that, for PGI it could be worth looking at this thread and the poll, that comes with it http://mwomercs.com/...on-mc-honestly/ I think this poll really shows that hardcore BT fans, like you stated in your post and I have stated in a couple of mine months ago, will blow a lot of money on this game. Most of us have jobs, since we got in MW ages ago, and we don't get a game made for us every 6 months (I am looking at you COD, Black Ops, BF etc)...

If PGI does indeed decide to reach out, and money grab for that majority (which they are), they will lose a lot of cash cows that the BT fans are, and gain a bunch of people, who get a new game every 6 months... Let that sink in, those games do it better then you MWO, the twitch play style, the majority of those people will take a look at you and go buy Modern Warfare Origins instead, because they can have marathon, ghost and some other perk there...

Now here is a thing, like I stated before. If MWO was a polished game, that you had to buy to play. It could maybe work, it sure does for established companies and IP's they practically resell the same damn game to the herd every time. The problem here is: MWO is free to play/try, those guys will come in, demand a bunch of crap, like strafing, crouching, sprint etc. And then bail before they they spend any money, or before you even implement the stuff, because guess what, the new FPS just came out, and it's the hottest thing there ... Who will you be left with? Oh only the BT fans that could be spending the cash on another hero mech, or another camo pattern, but they are too pissed at you and don't care to support your company after this 3PV nonsense.


Now, with all this being said. It is starting to seem that the Devs are doing leaps and bounds in communicating with us, and I won't lie, to me this month was the best one I had since closed beta. But until PGI comes out and shuts this 3PV door, STATING "we were taking crazy pills, this will never happen, feel free to quote us on it" I will consider the matter far from dead, and will keep revisiting this thread. Cheers.

TLDR: stick with the BT fans you have and cater to this niche, most of us have money to spend, reaching out to FPS crowd will not work, since they will try the game for free, then dump you for the next shiny shooter.

qf wisdom

[WinningOne]

The people posting who are upset about this need to listen to the interview. There's no reason, based on the interview, why anyone should be concerned their opinion is being ignored or that 3rd person will be forced upon them.

[WinningOne]

Sajuk Kar, on 30 January 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

To all the people who want 3rd person:

I genuinely want to know why you want it added to the game. Is it because you have trouble controlling the mech in first person? I don't see how that's a valid reason, because the controls in first person are not hard and can be learned in a few minutes at the maximum. I figured them out in a few seconds in my first match, but I had been playing World of Tanks a little before that and the controls for this are very similar to that, except that's in the third person. But I actually wanted a first person view in that game for the experience of being in a tank during a battle, and was dissapointed when there wasen't one. I think the mouse and keyboard controls for this game as they are now are some of the best I've every seen for a first person vehicle game, alot better then the keyboard controls for the previous Mechwarrior games were. I don't see how controlling the mech in 3rd person would be better, in many ways I think it would be worse.

Is it because you want to see the paint job that you paid alot of ingame or real money currency for?

Or is it because you want a field of view enhancement over 1st person as it is now? Like being able to see mechs around corners that you can't see now in 1st person?

Like I said before, I like the 1st person only now because of the immersion and logical consistancy in game. And I think it's really logically fallacious when people say "if you want immersion then make people requried to use joysticks for controlling their mech, not mouse and keyboard." and



To the first one, my response is, how players control their mechs or whatnot is something that's happening outside of the game not inside. The devs can never control what people do outside of the game just inside it. And to Stormtrain, I have to say you are wrong, you are controlling a pilot that is sitting at the manual controls of a mech when you play this game. You are not playing as a remote mech operator sitting at a terminal and controlling a mech from some distance away, like having 3rd person view would imply.

If we bring 3rd person view into this game and have it not explained by some in game mechanism, and just have it as a floating eyeball in the sky. We open the door for things like regenerating health, respawing during the match, and a bunch of other things that make no sense in the game itself, but are just put there to make it easier or whatever. Not having any of those things and having only things that make sense logically in the game world is how I would define "immersion".

So people who would want 3rd person, please reply to this post, because I would really like to know your reasons for wanting it.

Why should you care? Based on the interview you will have the option to never use 3rd person view and never face anyone who is using it. If people you never encounter in any way are playing in 3rd person while you and all your friends play 1st what's it to you? It will never affect your gameplay and now there will be two groups of people who get to enjoy the game and make it more popular instead of one.

Duppie1974, on 31 January 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

I cannot believe that this thread is still going, as my previous posts in this thread and after much deliberation I would still have to say no to 3PV.

All these "Legions" of players screaming for 3PV using reasons like "I can't see where my legs are pointing" or the controls are too difficult.
My bet is that they are using this as a smoke screen because they suck at FPV and want the advantage of 3PV, this is all about the advantage 3PV will give nothing more.

Did you listen to the interview?

[Athrael Emathors]

WinningOne, on 01 February 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Why should you care? Based on the interview you will have the option to never use 3rd person view and never face anyone who is using it. If people you never encounter in any way are playing in 3rd person while you and all your friends play 1st what's it to you? It will never affect your gameplay and now there will be two groups of people who get to enjoy the game and make it more popular instead of one.


Did you listen to the interview?

Did you thought about it for a second? It would split the community, which is always a bad thing

I still support the Idea of having a tutorial which explains the HUD and the Mechs directional markers to new players.

[PlzDie]

WinningOne, on 01 February 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Why should you care? Based on the interview you will have the option to never use 3rd person view and never face anyone who is using it. If people you never encounter in any way are playing in 3rd person while you and all your friends play 1st what's it to you? It will never affect your gameplay and now there will be two groups of people who get to enjoy the game and make it more popular instead of one.


Did you listen to the interview?

Yes I did, I have also seen the post (Link below) that promised FPV and claimed that 3rd PV will investigated far of into the future, a couple of months later is not far of into the future, so forgive me if I do not believe everything I hear or read, last time I looked in the mirror I did not resemble a sheep.

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

So until a dev comes here and closes the door on 3rd PV I will keep on bitching against it.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Runenstahl, on 31 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Hi CSJ Ranger,
don't get me wrong. I don't have to have 3rd person view. But I think people are going crazy over nothing. The devs said they would like to experiment with it and try it out. So why not ? Thats what a beta is for.

Someone pointed out that there might even be pure 1st person view matches for those who prefer it that way. If that would be the case nobody would loose anything. So why get mad about it ?

Actually there are not many good reasons for 3rd person view. The controls are simple enough as they are. It would certainly help sometimes to see your feet while moving around... happens often enough that you "bump" into a low obstacle. But then again the only real reason for 1st person view would be the "feeling". Which is important enough of course, but still doesn't seem an overwhelming reason to be nearly "hateful" to 3rd person.

All I'm saying is: give the devs a chance. Are there still issues that need to be fixed ? Sure. But overall they did a great job in bringing the BT universe to life. And I trust them to continue like that.

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German translation:

Hallo CSJ Ranger,
versteh mich nicht falsch. Ich muß nicht auf Krampf die 3rd Person View haben. Aber ich denke hier wird aus einer Mücke ein Elefant gemacht. Die Entwickler haben gesagt sie würde die 3PV gerne mal ausprobieren. Also warum nicht ? Zum ausprobieren ist eine Beta ja schließlich da.

Irgendjemand hat die Möglichkeit erwähnt das es ja auch durchaus reine 1PV matches geben könnte, für diejenigen die 3PV nicht mögen. Falls das eintritt hätte damit niemand irgendetwas verloren. Also warum aufregen ?

Tatsächlich gibt es gar nicht mal soviele gute Gründe für 3PV. Die Kontrollen sind einfach genug. Es würde sicherlich manchmal dabei helfen einen Überblick üder die Füße zu behalten... es passier oft genug das man in kleine Hindernisse hineinläuft. Andererseits ist der einzige gute Grund für 1PV nur das "Spielgefühl". Das ist natürlich wichtig genug, aber es sieht mir nicht nach einem überwältigendem Grund dafür aus die 3PV mit nahezu "haßgefühlen" zu begegnen.

Alles was ich sagen will: gib den Entwicklern doch eine Chance. Gibt es immer noch Probleme im Spiel die ausgebessert werden sollten ? Sicherlich. Aber alles in allem haben sie ein großartiges Spiel geschaffen das das BT Universum zum Leben erweckt. Und ich vertraue ihnen das sie das so fortführen werden.

Hello Rune Steel
No problem, I understand your argument, and I'm sorry if you have gotten something out of the atmosphere, which produce some persistent 3PV agitators here In fact, it was advertised as FPV game, all videos and show this ... then now these new ideas of Devs.Wenn I walk into a sushi restaurant, and sushi to order, I want to get set before any paella, on the grounds that they wanted to have more customers, where can I find disgusting seafood ..
If a 3PV in arcade form or in MW4, I and many German players'm gone, and I will do for sure in the future to PGI an equally wide berth, as the ***** that the C & C series based on market strategic ruined just because they wanted to make a game for Kids and Facebook gamers without depth.


translated from german

Hallo Runenstahl
Kein problem ,ich verstehe deinen Einwand, und es tut mir leid,wenn du etwas von der Stimmung abbekommen hast ,die einige hartnäckige 3PV Agitatoren hier erzeugen Tatsache ist ,es wurde als FPV Spiel beworben ,alle Videos zeigen dies ...und dann jetzt solche neuen ideen der Devs.Wenn ich in ein Sushi restaurant gehe,und Sushi bestelle, will ich keine Paella vorgesetzt bekommen ,mit der Begründung ,man wolle mehr Kunden haben , wo ich Meeresfrüchte eklig finde..
Kommt eine 3PV in der Arcade Form oder wie in MW4, bin ich und viele deutsche Spieler weg, und ich werde ganz bestimmt in Zukunft um PGI einen genauso großen Bogen machen ,wie um die idioten ,welche die C&C Reihe aus marktstrategischen gründen genauso ruinierten weil sie ein spiel für Kids und Facebookgamer ohne Tiefgang machen wollten.

Edited by CSJ Ranger, 01 February 2013 - 03:26 AM.

[WinningOne]

Geist Krieger, on 01 February 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

Did you thought about it for a second? It would split the community, which is always a bad thing

I still support the Idea of having a tutorial which explains the HUD and the Mechs directional markers to new players.

Yeah, I can't describe how absolutely unimpressive this argument is. It's obvious what you're really against is change.

Duppie1974, on 01 February 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Yes I did, I have also seen the post (Link below) that promised FPV and claimed that 3rd PV will investigated far of into the future, a couple of months later is not far of into the future, so forgive me if I do not believe everything I hear or read, last time I looked in the mirror I did not resemble a sheep.

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

So until a dev comes here and closes the door on 3rd PV I will keep on bitching against it.

In other words, your problem is with how quickly PGI is moving down their development plan. 'Cause it totally sucks when someone actually gets ahead of their work instead of missing deadlines all the time.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

WinningOne, on 01 February 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

Yeah, I can't describe how absolutely unimpressive this argument is. It's obvious what you're really against is change.


In other words, your problem is with how quickly PGI is moving down their development plan. 'Cause it totally sucks when someone actually gets ahead of their work instead of missing deadlines all the time.

What you Age? ...Maybe you should see me, which is a splitting of the community has brought other MMOs? or MW4?

I can understand, the kids also want time to play adult games, even if they do not have the skills for it, but then to skillen down to their level...syc semper tyrannis

[Athrael Emathors]

WinningOne, on 01 February 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

Yeah, I can't describe how absolutely unimpressive this argument is. It's obvious what you're really against is change.

It is not change that I'm against, it is the split of the community that I'm against. And you've obviously never played any mmo before, otherwise you would know what splitting the community brings to a game.

[WinningOne]

Geist Krieger, on 01 February 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

It is not change that I'm against, it is the split of the community that I'm against. And you've obviously never played any mmo before, otherwise you would know what splitting the community brings to a game.

I have been playing MUD's and MMO's since 1997. The only thing that unifies a community is their love of the game they all play. Beyond that everyone has their favorite way to spend their time within the game. Larger playerbases mean a healthier more dynamic community, increased resources for the developer, and longerterm viability for everyone to enjoy. Adding a feature that will attract people not currently registered will strengthen the community not split it.

[MWHawke]

WinningOne, on 01 February 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

Yeah, I can't describe how absolutely unimpressive this argument is. It's obvious what you're really against is change.

If you stop to think about it, the people who would exploit 3rd person view would always play 3rd person view. And you are dropping new players into that pot. How would this then be considered good for the game? It would kill the game faster no? As we go along, the niche BT players will start to thin out. How then would this help MWO?

[WinningOne]

CSJ Ranger, on 01 February 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

What you Age? ...Maybe you should see me, which is a splitting of the community has brought other MMOs? or MW4?

I can understand, the kids also want time to play adult games, even if they do not have the skills for it, but then to skillen down to their level...syc semper tyrannis

Hmm, it appears you're using a translater to post comments on this forum. WIth that in mind you may want to consider that MWO currently has three gameplay modes which intentionally split the community. It is entirely possible for people to prefer one mode over the other and never compete against players who prefer the other. Would you say this option has harmed the community?