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[Alois Hammer]

I think the fact that they've unstickied this should serve as something of a message in itself, though not a new one: "We're tired of being nailed for our non-answers on this topic, and hope it'll simply sink to the bottom and fade away."

Y'know, so they can get on with adding it just like that coolant flush that they insisted would never happen.

[Grandmaster Ramrod]

Third person view - do not want.

If it gets put in, ain't gonna use it.

[Mao of DC]

Let go for 100 pages folks.


I can't believe this thread is still going.

[Sean von Steinike]

Mao of DC, on 11 March 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Let go for 100 pages folks.


I can't believe this thread is still going.

It could end if PGI would put this absurdity to rest once and for all.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Sean von Steinike, on 11 March 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

It could end if PGI would put this absurdity to rest once and for all.

Given that PGI can (and HAS) change(d) its mind on things they've stated categorically were decided upon (aka put to rest), this really isn't true. They're entitled to change their minds however, as the Devs. Just as the 800+ on the poll (and potentially the masses out there not to be bothered with forums) can change their minds regarding playing the game.

Edited by Lukoi, 11 March 2013 - 05:05 PM.

[0X2A]

Lukoi, on 11 March 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

Given that PGI can (and HAS) change(d) its mind on things they've stated categorically were decided upon (aka put to rest), this really isn't true. They're entitled to change their minds however, as the Devs. Just as the 800+ on the poll (and potentially the masses out there not to be bothered with forums) can change their minds regarding playing the game.

If there was a 1st person queue and a 3rd person queue why would you quit the game?

Ranked 8v8 or 12v12 matches would almost always be in 1st person view. Logic dictates the 1st person players and 3rd person players are on entirely different skill levels. They KNOW that 3rd person allows you to see around corners and hills. They're not that stupid.

[Jam the Bam]

I just want to see my mech.

Maybe if they enabled it only in a certain game type and removed the targeting reticule so you couldn't fire effectively?

[P5YCO]

Seeing this is a simulation then 3rd person wouldn't be realistic as some phantom camera floating above the head of the mech. If it's got to happen at all how about using it like a module, with a flying drone that perhaps amongst other things gives a 3rd person view of the mech.

I've just jumped on this thread so don't know what's been discussed so far.

[CyBerkut]

0X2A, on 11 March 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

If there was a 1st person queue and a 3rd person queue why would you quit the game?

Well, at this point that "if" is a rather big "if". What if there are not separate queues?

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Ranked 8v8 or 12v12 matches would almost always be in 1st person view. Logic dictates the 1st person players and 3rd person players are on entirely different skill levels. They KNOW that 3rd person allows you to see around corners and hills. They're not that stupid.

Well, more assumptions there. While I might tend to agree with you (and I largely do), it remains to be seen. Lots of questions/specifics remain to be determined. Since they have not been decisively settled, we still have a lot of concern out here in the community, and hence, we are now nearly up to 100 pages in this thread.

[WheatSnackBread]

I didn't read through 90+ pages of nerd rage so this might have been mentioned before, but does anyone remember the 3rd person view from Mechwarrior 3? The camera was down low, and the mech pretty much blocked the entire left side of the screen. If this view was used it would actually put 3rd person at a disadvantage, because the camera would be lower, and makes you vulnerable on the left side. So those that want to see their mech can, and those that want to stick with 1st person aren't put at a disadvantage.

[FerretWithASpork]

0X2A, on 11 March 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

Logic dictates the 1st person players and 3rd person players are on entirely different skill levels. They KNOW that 3rd person allows you to see around corners and hills. They're not that stupid.

I would have to disagree with this. As long as the aiming is just as accurate in 3rd person as it is in 1st.. you have the advantage of more sight in 3rd person.. I play Firefall in 3rd person because it gives more awareness of what's going on around.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Im curious as to where that "huge number of requests" is coming from when all the forum polls (the last one was 5000 replies, 95% no) show a "huge" number saying no.

for instance:
http://mwomercs.com/...s-poll-revived/

Yes, that only has a few hundred replies, but thats because the original 5k reply thread got broken by the mods.

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Mortavore, on 16 November 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I hope they add it in. One of the things that I find hard to do is keep track of where my feet are vs. were i'm looking.

Rumplestiltskin, on 11 March 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

The C key is a lifesaver

As is a look on your minimap, or the view to the horizontal bar in the HUD where you can find those tiny triangles ...

Edited by Quax1102, 13 March 2013 - 03:24 AM.

[captaincabbage]

Stormeris, on 11 March 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

I think it should be optional as in SERVER SIDE, so in a server with first person only you couldnt run third person, but in a third person server enabled server you can choose.

I honestly would go for first person, but i wouldnt evade third person view like the plague, why? I want to see my mech >.>

This, a thousand times. I've always loved Third Person views in the Mechwarrior games. Seeing my giant mech stomp around is always a pleasure to behold, however I think a matchmaking system based on what view you have set as default would be perfect, as there are always equal parts people who want pilot's view, and people who don't, and I can totally respect that choice.

Grandmaster Ramrod, on 11 March 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Third person view - do not want.

If it gets put in, ain't gonna use it.

Pretty much read as above. All we'd need is a matchmaking preferencer to only put you in games with 1st person view enabled.
Like I've always said, just because I specifically don't want it, doesn't mean there's nobody out there who does. It doesn't affect me.

[CyBerkut]

It's not that simple though... if they do implement a 3PV option and use the matchmaker to keep the 3PV and 1PV players separated, then they also need to plan on having community warfare separated into 3PV and 1PV universes.

If they limit 3PV to the training map, and to replays (if they ever implement a replay option), it would not necessitate running separate sets of servers / server instances for 1PV match play and 3PV match play... and parallel community warfare setups too.

[FupDup]

WheatSnackBread, on 12 March 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I didn't read through 90+ pages of nerd rage so this might have been mentioned before, but does anyone remember the 3rd person view from Mechwarrior 3? The camera was down low, and the mech pretty much blocked the entire left side of the screen. If this view was used it would actually put 3rd person at a disadvantage, because the camera would be lower, and makes you vulnerable on the left side. So those that want to see their mech can, and those that want to stick with 1st person aren't put at a disadvantage.

Actually, MW3 also had a second 3PV option which put the camera slightly over your shoulders and in the center of your mech. It still wasn't nearly as bad as MW4 (MW4 let you see EVERYTHING pretty much, MW3's version made your mech take up most of your view in the middle), though.

Edited by FupDup, 14 March 2013 - 07:16 PM.

[Mr Andersson]

AirVengeance, on 16 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

It will affect everyone that chooses not to cheat at a sim game. 3rd person get's activated I will drop this game.

I second that. This is a simulator. Or supposed to be, it already feels half-way to a first person shooter. If you implement 3rd person, sorry, but I'm out.

[Viper69]

Like I said I am betting 3rd person will be a drone(module slot) that flies above and behind you for a time duration. Last time I checked people use drones in real life. However I dont like the idea of it ingame and its a complete 180 again on what they said they would not do initially while they were crowdfunding.

Edited by Viper69, 15 March 2013 - 08:57 AM.

[xxREVxx]

Viper69, on 07 March 2013 - 12:42 PM, said:

Third person is going to be a module that launches a drone I bet. It will hover about 10m above and behind your mech. Any takers? Im betting one thin mint girl scout cookie.

that would be fine but;
to maintain the integrity of a mech-simulator, the video-feed from the drone should come up on the HUD (like the zoom module does), not change your view as if you were just magically transported from inside of the cockpit to the other unspeakable view which creates an advantage.

[Rejarial Galatan]

we have had 2 polls that state beyond any shadow of a doubt that those of us who are active in the forums and what not do not want 3rd person. Argue the value of the polls all you want. Say what you want about them and how they are a 'small' portion of the population and so on, but, there is an old saying that is still used in business today: for every SINGLE customer who bothers to voice his opinion, be it positive or negative, there are at the MINIMUM 10,000 others who do not speak up who share this SAME opinion. The math right there says this is a bad move. Also, the fact that Paul Inouye stated 100% first person only, and the page called GAME at the top of the website says the same thing. beyond that? read into the situation what you will, but, this is a very new company taking on a decades old franchise and no offense to IGP/PGI, the franchise is hurting BADLY right now the way this is being handled.