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[JackRabbtT]

MUst....say somting.....TOFueLFlamEs....Must Make....100pAgE....Thrednought!

Ok to all of you (MWO is a sim NO 3RD PERSON RWAR!!!!) mwo is not a sim (o nos he didnt) All because you have a throttle and a torso twist does not mean it’s a simulator. Full throttle up hills rough terrain and ******* lakes with no slowing and tripping. Hell no real damage when you run full speed into a building. (AHHAHAH BUT OMGZORS YOU TAKE LEG DAMMAGE WHEN YOU FALL) **** not a sim…hopefully in the near future.

To all of you (THE DEvS R ***** THEY DON’T LISTEN ME, MEMEMEMEMEME) **** thats a good thing. I'm hoping the devs for war thunder wont listen to people when sea and ground is released. And **** again the devs are doing fine, the game is in open beta and the only thing that has made you grab your witch burning kit is for the camera view. (wow get a life yo)

To all of you (3 PERSON HAXXXXORZ OVER HILLS AND ****) **** the mental retardation in game is worse then hawken and wot put together (o snap

AND, if they put the view in i'm not gonna use it for combat more for moving around and ****, but i will give them $100 for doing it becouse "everyone" is ((((((((leaving the game))))))), **** no your not. (buncha damn fibs up in dis topic)

[SteelJaws]

If it needs to go in, I say with a UAV. But I'd say make it a trade off.

Do it like an AMS attachment, give it weight, have it take a critical slot, and have it require ammo, expensive ammo.

Say 1 ton for the launcher, and 4 rounds per ton of ammo have it last 1-2 minutes, but give no reticle, you can target, but not send locations to your team unless you have Command Console to be able to send it. So if you don't have the Command Console in your mech you can use it to spot around you, but until you have the Command Console you will be unable to relay positions to your team.

Put a slot on every mech, so if you want it, you can have it. But give it weight so its a trade off, and without a reticle they cannot use it to attack another mech.

Secondly, it should be expensive, we don't have to pay for rearming so the ammo should be pricey, which is why I also went for a low shot count.

Just my 2 bits.

[BAD WD40]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Hi Mechwarriors,

So Russ let slip in an interview with No Guts No Galaxy we are looking into a 3rd person view option. It seems a lot of people are unhappy with this, so we’d like to explain our thought process here.

For reference, we also strongly recommend listening to Russ’s comments, as he provides a clear case for our approach.

Over the course of development, we’ve had a huge number of requests for a 3^rd person camera option. At this early stage, it’s something we feel that warrants further analysis, understanding and exploration.

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

If we find that there is a relevant role for an optional 3^rd person camera mode, then then would simply be an additional option that, if you don’t want it, won’t affect you. Bryan will be writing a detailed Command Chair post on this (he's currently at 40,000 feet, and not by Jump Jetting) with more details. For now, be assured we're acutely aware of past problems with 3rd person view, and will make sure those same issues are thoroughly addressed. We wouldn’t settle for anything less.

Cheers,
The MechWarrior Online Team

Ok, I don't want anyone having 3rd party view in game as it has advantages and its not the Mech way. But!!!

Id love to be able to watch the battle when dead in 3rd party view and see more of a view!!!

that would be nice to see and very welcome. The battles cant be seen in the cockpit so why not have a much wider, more distant view foe only dead players!!

Vote for this every one.

[CyBerkut]

Bad Wind UK, on 16 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, I don't want anyone having 3rd party view in game as it has advantages and its not the Mech way. But!!!

Id love to be able to watch the battle when dead in 3rd party view and see more of a view!!!

that would be nice to see and very welcome. The battles cant be seen in the cockpit so why not have a much wider, more distant view foe only dead players!!

Vote for this every one.

Ermmm... This has been addressed numerous times in this thread...

Teamspeak
Ventrillo
Mumble
Skype
etc.

There is nothing feasible that the devs could do to prevent dead players from talking to their live team mates. If dead players have 3PV or some god's eye view of the battle while it is still playing out, they could pass along intelligence to team mates that would not be available to one of the live players. Spectator mode needs to remain 1PV in 1PV games.

That is not welcome. It is unwise.

3PV belongs in 3PV matches, if they ever implement that. 3PV belongs in match replay video, if they ever implement replay capability.

[Alois Hammer]

0X2A, on 11 March 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

They're not that stupid.

They were stupid enough to state there'd be no coolant flush since it broke the heat mechanic...before they added it anyway.

But sure, they won't go back on their pledge to separate 1st and 3rd person players when (if...hah!) they add 3rd person.

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 12 March 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

Im curious as to where that "huge number of requests" is coming from when all the forum polls (the last one was 5000 replies, 95% no) show a "huge" number saying no.

They're all apparently calling on the Devs' secret friends-only hotline. Since, y'know, nobody has seen these overwhelming numbers of requests.

Or maybe (my personal guess) they're pulled out of the developers' colon cavities?

Edited by Alois Hammer, 17 March 2013 - 02:16 PM.

[LackofCertainty]

Alois Hammer, on 17 March 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

They were stupid enough to state there'd be no coolant flush since it broke the heat mechanic...before they added it anyway.

But sure, they won't go back on their pledge to separate 1st and 3rd person players when (if...hah!) they add 3rd person.




They're all apparently calling on the Devs' secret friends-only hotline. Since, y'know, nobody has seen these overwhelming numbers of requests.

Or maybe (my personal guess) they're pulled out of the developers' colon cavities?

I have several friends who desperately want 3rd person view mainly for manuvering. I personally think 3rd person isn't needed and might make the game worse, but there are people who want it.

ForumWarriors are a vocal minority. Just as an example, I have about 5 people I play with who either got founder's packs with me, or have been playing since beta. Of my group, I am the only person who routinely checks the forums. Basically the only thing on the forums they care about is patch notes, which are often relayed through me. Granted, sometimes the vocal minority's ideas line up with what is good for the game, but that's not always true.

For an example of bad ForumWarrioring, take a look at DotA's denial mechanic. It was an exploit that long time players discovered, and abused ruthlessly in order to crush newer players. Devs took it out, because it undermines one of the core ideas of the game. ForumWarriors QQ'ed that they liked abusing the bug, and so it was put back in to the detriment of the game. When LoL first came out, it caught flak from the same ForumWarriors who campaigned for denial in DotA, but, thankfully, the LoL devs ignored them, which lead to LoL being a better game.

[Rejarial Galatan]

3rd person views cannot be added as they fundamentally alter this game in ways that are unacceptable and provide advantages that are undesired by most of us, the chief of which is the no risk-high reward targeting of enemies over and around stuff that keeps YOU out of LOS to your enemies, but lets YOU see them. So, no, no third person views.

[Mordynak]

Why in the world is this thread still active?

I'm sure a dev said they ARE adding third person. But only after match filtering is added so you can filter out 3rd person matches.

[CyBerkut]

Mordynak, on 18 March 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Why in the world is this thread still active?

That's already been asked, and answered.

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I'm sure a dev said they ARE adding third person. But only after match filtering is added so you can filter out 3rd person matches.

Got a link to that?

Even if you do... There are other things that have been said by the devs (in writing, no less), and now are no longer true (as has been pointed out in this thread). Given that, can you understand how some folks are not reassured when it comes to this issue?

[Sadist Cain]

Only reason anyone wants 3rd person is to see their groovey paintjob whilst in battle.

Add a REPLAY THEATRE!

Problem solved and a ton of extra Youtube vids giving you free advertising and good reputation, just look at what movie makers have managed to achieve without a replay function, imagine if they did have one.

Also the safe business option, no one will "dislike" a replay theatre even if they dont want to use it. people will dislike the presence of a third person view even if they arent using it.

[Zeus X]

Why would I want a 3rd person view?

I sure as hell don't talk in the 3rd person so why the hell do I need to see myself in 3rd person?

[Ghost_19Hz]

I told Honda and Ford that third person was necessary for me to know which way my wheels were pointing and to see my cool kid paint job... and... they laughed at me :*(

[AztecD]

3rd person is against the MW experience and should not be implemented. Hope it counts for something *doubt it

[plodder]

Chiming in, listened to podcast. More viability from 3rd person view is nothing but an advantage to those that use it. This is not a easy game, it has built into it, certain physical subtleties that are enhanced by realities that are particular in this game, and will be even more so when knock down returns.

The game having particular difficulties is what makes it a superior game, 3rd person removes a difficulty that to me, is essential to saving the Battletech fluidity, while bringing modern technical ability.

I would prefer a no-cockpit view, but I do not expect that to be enacted. Having the cockpit hinders my view, but, that is part of the game. 3rd person is more drastic than that, and I am surprised it is being considered.

Now if it were used only as an option in the training grounds, for the noobs to learn how to operate, I could see some advantage to it. Possibly a 25 game option, until the are familiar.
thanks danno

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

soooooooooo about that 3rd person view thing...

http://mwomercs.com/...to-mwo-twitter/

"soon" huh?
Wanna explain that?

[Rejarial Galatan]

we do not want 3rd person, it is as simple as that. they asked us, we said no, they are ignoring us, because clearly our NO is the wrong answer, and they will continue to ignore us and ask themselves after the game crashes and burns what went wrong.

[Adridos]

LackofCertainty, on 18 March 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

For an example of bad ForumWarrioring, take a look at DotA's denial mechanic. It was an exploit that long time players discovered, and abused ruthlessly in order to crush newer players. Devs took it out, because it undermines one of the core ideas of the game. ForumWarriors QQ'ed that they liked abusing the bug, and so it was put back in to the detriment of the game. When LoL first came out, it caught flak from the same ForumWarriors who campaigned for denial in DotA, but, thankfully, the LoL devs ignored them, which lead to LoL being a better game.

Casual filth... yuck.

And may I tell you that same denial mechanic is a more deep game mechanism than anything that cashwhore Guinsoo added to that FarmVille junk of a game called LoL.

And bugs like that are good for the game itself. Just look at Tribes skiing. A bug that defined the game and stayed. Or rocket jumping. Removing such great bugs never did anything to enrich the game at all.

Seeing as you support 3.POV, it's really easy where you're coming from and I think I don't need to say anything more about that topic. It's bad, it sucks, it kills the game for us.

[Mao of DC]

So close to 100 pages keep it up guys!!!

[pencilboom]

I don't get what you guys mean by 3rd person is breaking the immersion blah blah blah. They already said that if you don't want it, then it won't affect you.

Most simulation games ironically do have 3rd person view. Remember the old F-16 Fighting Falcon game? F-22 Lightning? Jane's flight combat simulations? Those were pretty popular back in the days of Simulation games. And they all had 3rd person / free fly camera. Space combat sim, Freespace 2 had 3rd person camera ( and it was one of the best space combat sim by critiques ).

Now for modern games? ARMA series? That title is claimed by numerous of PC hardcore fans as a modern military simulation. And guess what, it has 3rd person. Yup. 3rd person on a military sim. And you know what, ARMA has a wonderful community and it keeps growing until today.

And since "some people" mentioning that they will jump ship to War Thunder once PGI implemented the 3rd person camera, they're just being hypocrites. War Thunder is a 3rd person game.

And in all fairness, Mechwarrior 2, 3 and 4 also had the 3rd person camera. So why go all zealotry 1st person only now?

And even better if 3rd person can bring in some new fresh players. I personally rather have a community which has a player base of 10.000.000 strong rather than 1000 hard core fans. It wont do any good to the developers that already trying their best to revive the franchise. Mechwarrior ( or Battletech if you please ) by the end of the day will still be a little franchise that nobody aware of.

So what's the big deal guys? Pop tarts you say? Heck we already have them in the game right now.
People will be able to peek from corners without exposing themselves? That's goat ****. They still need to expose themselves when they're going to shoot.

Scared to change much? Proooooooooobablyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....................................................

[Tice Daurus]

Scared to change much? YES.

Want 3rd person? NO.

End of story.