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[Mystere]

Kraven Kor, on 27 June 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

I was quoting someone whose message had more ****'s than words, and who called any of us who do not wish to play in or deal with 3PV morons, whiners, etc.

Plenty on both sides, I'm sure.

Do we have someone willing to make a count, just for kicks?

Kraven Kor, on 27 June 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

And you CAN NOT achieve parity between 1PV / 3PV unless you simply do not render mechs, terrains, and textures "blocked from LoS" which would look ugly as sin.

There are ways to overcome this, some of which I have posted about (but, no, I am not repeating them again).

Kraven Kor, on 27 June 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

They are welcome to prove me wrong. And if they somehow achieve this impossible goal, I will print out every post I have made on the subject (a few...) and film myself eating them (I'll try and ensure I'm using some type of non-toxic method of doing so.)

I expect to be held to this promise if I am, in fact, proven wrong.

I have every intention of holding you to your promise.

[AH Warhawk]

Wow this is just like a wife talking to a deaf husband. its just not going through. People are going to abuse the 3rd person mode so much. here is a decent compromise, make it another game mode option (3rd person only) so the people who want 3rd person can play, but just in another game all together, leaving the 1st person view standard to the rest of us who prefer a more realistic experience. Call of Duty did this why cant MWO? separate the two views from each other as an option in the settings menu. then you will play with people who have the same playing view. no unfair advantage and people still get what they want.

[Kraven Kor]

Andrew Start, on 27 June 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

Wow this is just like a wife talking to a deaf husband. its just not going through. People are going to abuse the 3rd person mode so much. here is a decent compromise, make it another game mode option (3rd person only) so the people who want 3rd person can play, but just in another game all together, leaving the 1st person view standard to the rest of us who prefer a more realistic experience. Call of Duty did this why cant MWO? separate the two views from each other as an option in the settings menu. then you will play with people who have the same playing view. no unfair advantage and people still get what they want.

FYI, that is more or less what some believe is being proposed.

My main concern is they will change their minds on this at a later data and push everyone to 3PV.

I have been assured this will not be the case, but still have my fears, as do many others.

[Mr Blonde]

Kraven Kor, on 27 June 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

FYI, that is more or less what some believe is being proposed.

My main concern is they will change their minds on this at a later data and push everyone to 3PV.

I have been assured this will not be the case, but still have my fears, as do many others.

The push is already on to tell us how great it's working (ATD answer). I won't be surprised when they decide to fully convert it to 3PV "to keep the wait times shorter" in about 18 months.

[pantherzero]

@Mr Blonde im doubtful it will be as long as 18 months

[Mr Blonde]

I was being optimistic...

[Coolant]

Still haven't had anyone get back to me that they took my challenge...if you said u were gonna leave the game if 3rd Person is implemented and now it has indeed been confirmed it is coming, to show proof you left by screenshots of your directories and System Specs...that was at least a week ago...no takers so far..

[Hotthedd]

Coolant, on 30 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Still haven't had anyone get back to me that they took my challenge...if you said u were gonna leave the game if 3rd Person is implemented and now it has indeed been confirmed it is coming, to show proof you left by screenshots of your directories and System Specs...that was at least a week ago...no takers so far..

I have stopped spending money on MW:O. I do not know how to prove that to you though. Why would anyone feel the need to prove to you that they quit the game?

[Coolant]

Blahberry, on 27 June 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

But they stated earlier they were never going to add Third Person.
And it shouldn't be included Mech Warrior games are supposed to be First person, then with this Third person **** you get a player base divide.

Not sure if you are a business owner or not. If you are then you would know that often you make decisions for the benefit of the business and those who work for you. If you don't, here is an example...You sell expensive leather shoes and you are committed to doing that, you love fancy leather shoes, and you make it the staple of your business and even create a logo and incorporate it into your business statement. But, you open a shop near a beach. You get only a few customers, and most of the people that walk by are wearing flip flops. The sandal store next door is doing so well they are expanding. Do you stick to your guns and still sell fancy leather shoes and probably go under or at the most get by, or do you adapt and thrive?

Given this other example before...What if you sold ice cream and tell your customers you will only ever sell ice cream and then during an exceptionally cold winter and only a few loyal customers buying ice cream would you choose to sell hot chocolate too?

Far as splitting the players, there is as much evidence to there being a healthy player base than not, so there is no fear you won't have 1st Person players to shoot at, and in fact, according to those polls most of everyone on the planet wants 1st Person only anyway, so it's a non-issue, right?

Edited by Coolant, 30 June 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[Coolant]

Hotthedd, on 30 June 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

I have stopped spending money on MW:O. I do not know how to prove that to you though. Why would anyone feel the need to prove to you that they quit the game?

Ah, I guess you weren't one of the many that claimed something to the effect of, "If they implement 3rd Person I'm quitting the game!!". Sorry

[IceSerpent]

Coolant, on 30 June 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Ah, I guess you weren't one of the many that claimed something to the effect of, "If they implement 3rd Person I'm quitting the game!!". Sorry

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that someone who decided to quit the game (for whatever reason) would bother telling you about their decision, let alone trying to prove it?

[Ralgas]

Given the recent addition of the reseens as well as the flip on this, the tinfoil hat in me has to wonder if it's an attempt to rope in a bigger player base from the pacific and asian markets.

[DeaconW]

IceSerpent, on 30 June 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that someone who decided to quit the game (for whatever reason) would bother telling you about their decision, let alone trying to prove it?

I think the answer is here: http://www.collinsdi...self-importance

[RG Notch]

Belorion, on 19 June 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

They stated CW is FPV only. So...

Did you read latest ATD? http://mwomercs.com/...vs-41-answered/ The first question says 3rd person will be a choice "out of the gates". So get ready for mixed queues once they can't fill both effectively. They will even use the same language from that first answer as to how people who were against it are now for it. Any polling to the contrary on the forums would only represent a tiny unimportant slice of audience.

[Windies]

Kraven Kor, on 27 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

No, the community did. And, I admit, "the community" wanted No Heat, Unlimited Ammo, Third Person View matches where you were either a 6x Clan ER Large Laser or multiple Clan ER PPC jump sniper, or you were a loser.

Trying to find a "Heat On, Limited Ammo, Forced First Person" server was... next to impossible.

At this point, all I want is to try and ensure we keep the separation between the 1PV only and 1PV/3PV optional queues.




First, I am not "hardcore" - and admit I might be reading too much into the 'name' of the 1PV only queue / mode - and I just want to jump on, and play, and not be in the queue with 3PV available.

Secondly, I'm going to make a prediction.

Within 6 months of Third Person View being introduced, we will get another update about how not enough people are playing "First Person Only" queue, so they will be merging the queues (and, possibly, even removing the 1PV only rule on the merc matches.)

I hope I am wrong. I fear I will be right.

But keep on raging and insulting.

Hell I give them only 3 months until it's just one big mixed queue. I don't honestly think the queue could support a 50/50 split anyways. I wouldn't be surprised in that by the time 3pv is released on the live servers, There won't be a 1pv queue. You can tell by their responses that they are seriously pushing for this for some reason. It seem to be going in the direction of "You will love 3pv, you will never need 1pv again!".

Also to all the people saying that 3pv can be implemented in a way that it negates any inherent advantages, have you asked yourselves why Wargaming.net has the view system in World of Tanks that they do? I mean do you want a system in place where you can't see that Atlas behind a tree because the view system says no, even though the Atlas is 10 times the size of that tree in width and height? There's a reason they did that, and it's simply because it was the only fair way to mix third person in with first person. If there was this easy and simpler way of negating all of the advantages to 3pv, I doubt they would have gone to all the trouble to create such an annoying and unrealistic view system.

[Bootsock]

The more obvious answer for the 3PV, 'simplified' UI 2.0, and a new HUD is that this game is destined for consoles where a simplified interface would work better, as would the 3rd person perspective which nobody wants.

Microsoft still have a finger in the patents, so if MWO really is doing better than expected, big brother will certainly have noticed.

[Blackfire1]

Bootsock, on 30 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Microsoft still have a finger in the patents,

Microsoft doesn't own any patents for video games. They aren't that rich.

[Mystere]

Blackfire1, on 30 June 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Microsoft doesn't own any patents for video games. They aren't that rich.

I think Bootsock meant owning the IP, not patent.

[Kraven Kor]

Windies, on 30 June 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Hell I give them only 3 months until it's just one big mixed queue. I don't honestly think the queue could support a 50/50 split anyways. I wouldn't be surprised in that by the time 3pv is released on the live servers, There won't be a 1pv queue. You can tell by their responses that they are seriously pushing for this for some reason. It seem to be going in the direction of "You will love 3pv, you will never need 1pv again!".

Also to all the people saying that 3pv can be implemented in a way that it negates any inherent advantages, have you asked yourselves why Wargaming.net has the view system in World of Tanks that they do? I mean do you want a system in place where you can't see that Atlas behind a tree because the view system says no, even though the Atlas is 10 times the size of that tree in width and height? There's a reason they did that, and it's simply because it was the only fair way to mix third person in with first person. If there was this easy and simpler way of negating all of the advantages to 3pv, I doubt they would have gone to all the trouble to create such an annoying and unrealistic view system.

Exactly.

I can smell what the chef is cooking, if you know what I mean

[AdamBaines]

Bootsock, on 30 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Microsoft still have a finger in the patents, so if MWO really is doing better than expected, big brother will certainly have noticed.

Is this true? I thought the IP was owned in total now by Topps? Microsoft just owns the right to produce video games. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Edit: Added fact MS owns the right to produce video games.

Edited by AdamBaines, 01 July 2013 - 07:20 AM.