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[Kraven Kor]

Ed Steele, on 05 July 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

When PGI gives us a video showing exactly how 3PV will work in MWO, then we will either see that it is not so bad and stay, or many of us will just quit.

Pretty much this (though I hate tossing around "I'll quit!" threats, no offense to any that do.)

[Grimmnyr]

Kraven Kor, on 05 July 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Pretty much this (though I hate tossing around "I'll quit!" threats, no offense to any that do.)

I did not specifically say that I, nor anyone else would definitely quit. I was just stating the obvious that we would either deal with 3PV, or quit.

Edited by Ed Steele, 05 July 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[xxREVxx]

Ed Steele, on 05 July 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

When PGI gives us a video showing exactly how 3PV will work in MWO, then we will either see that it is not so bad and stay, or many of us will just quit.

think ya hit the nail right om the head. probably why it hasnt been demonstrated

[SJ SCP Wolf]

Well that's stupid. PGI already said that there is separate 1PV vs 1PV and mixed Q's. If you don't like it you dont have to play against people using. it. Quitting over an optional feature is ******* dumb.

[Gremlich Johns]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 05 July 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Well that's stupid. PGI already said that there is separate 1PV vs 1PV and mixed Q's. If you don't like it you dont have to play against people using. it. Quitting over an optional feature is ******* dumb.

The ability to choose between 1PV and 3PV makes them BOTH optional modes. I do not prefer 3PV and will not play a match that way. If there comes a point where that - 3PV, is the ONLY option to play in, I'll find another game to play.

That makes the decision to depart not dumb, but a preference, a choice.

[RyanLongbow]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 05 July 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Well that's stupid. PGI already said that there is separate 1PV vs 1PV and mixed Q's. If you don't like it you dont have to play against people using. it. Quitting over an optional feature is ******* dumb.

Have you stopped and thought carefully? That option will separate the community, its consequence is too much for many to grasp.

I hope you realize "separation" is the antonym of "community"

[Hotthedd]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 05 July 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Well that's stupid. PGI already said that there is separate 1PV vs 1PV and mixed Q's. If you don't like it you dont have to play against people using. it. Quitting over an optional feature is ******* dumb.

Well, 1PV will have its own queue "out of the gate".

I can read the writing on the wall. I will not spend another dime on this game unless and until I am satisfied that 1PV is NEVER forced to play vs 3PV.

[SJ SCP Wolf]

RyanLongbow, on 05 July 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Have you stopped and thought carefully? That option will separate the community, its consequence is too much for many to grasp.

I hope you realize "separation" is the antonym of "community"

I am aware of that, just as the mode (Assault/lolcapwarrior) selection splits the 'community' deal with it. So in your mind though, it's ok to force people who (i dont even know why) prefer 3PV to play 1PV as long as you have them to shoot at it. Pretty selfish.

Hotthedd, on 05 July 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

Well, 1PV will have its own queue "out of the gate".

I can read the writing on the wall. I will not spend another dime on this game unless and until I am satisfied that 1PV is NEVER forced to play vs 3PV.

Bryan Ekman, on 28 June 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

[color=#959595]Of course as promised out of the gates players will be able to choose 1PV and 3PV mixed or just 1PV.[/color]

You obviously read that. I am not saying anything about spending money. My point was quitting over an optional mode.

Gremlich Johns, on 05 July 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

The ability to choose between 1PV and 3PV makes them BOTH optional modes. I do not prefer 3PV and will not play a match that way. If there comes a point where that - 3PV, is the ONLY option to play in, I'll find another game to play.

That makes the decision to depart not dumb, but a preference, a choice.

Oh cool so since it's a choice, let me go choose to smoke some crack. That's not dumb at all. Your logic is terrible. People make dumb choices all the time. Quitting over a feature you don't have to deal with is dumb.

[shotokan5]

When you sell this game on the fact it will be a first person game and then backtrack. That is why the thread does not die. They have looked and tested a number of 3rd person views trying to keep the balance between the two types. A course of action has been chosen, which I think will make most not jump off a roof. Well, most of you. I am a first person only and feel that they broke the first agreement.

[DeaconW]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 05 July 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Quitting over a feature you don't have to deal with is dumb.

And the point you keep purposely ignoring is that, given the company statements at hand, it is pretty obvious that the "different ques" will, most likely, last a very short time and those who don't want to play 3PV will be forced to play it anyway as PGI combines the ques to "reduce wait times" or whatever else they use as the excuse. It is a "camel's nose in the tent" strategy by PGI. As far as your false equivalence of "I am forced to play 1PV". Um...this game was marketed and sold as a 1PV only game. You signed up knowing this. Therefore it is your issue and you are the interloper, not the rest of us who want it to remain 1PV.

[SJ SCP Wolf]

DeaconW, on 06 July 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

And the point you keep purposely ignoring is that, given the company statements at hand, it is pretty obvious that the "different ques" will, most likely, last a very short time and those who don't want to play 3PV will be forced to play it anyway as PGI combines the ques to "reduce wait times" or whatever else they use as the excuse. It is a "camel's nose in the tent" strategy by PGI. As far as your false equivalence of "I am forced to play 1PV". Um...this game was marketed and sold as a 1PV only game. You signed up knowing this. Therefore it is your issue and you are the interloper, not the rest of us who want it to remain 1PV.

I have not see those statements. In fact I have seen nothing but statements to the opposite from PGI staff stating the 1PV is their primary view mode. So unless you have some source links, Kiss off.

[DeaconW]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 06 July 2013 - 05:09 AM, said:

I have not see those statements. In fact I have seen nothing but statements to the opposite from PGI staff stating the 1PV is their primary view mode. So unless you have some source links, Kiss off.

Are you an ostrich? nevermind...

"MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience." Garth Erlam http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1437264

sac·ro·sanct

/ˈsakrōˌsaNG(k)t/
Adjective
(esp. of a principle, place, or routine) Regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.
Synonyms
sacred - holy - inviolable

" Expect once the 3PV view mode hits the Test Servers in the next 30 days, players will find it not as powerful as feared or as intrusive into the existing experience, rather accept it as an extension. Of course as promised out of the gates players will be able to choose 1PV and 3PV mixed or just 1PV." Brian Ekman http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2500477

ex·ten·sion

/ikˈstenSHən/
Noun

• A part that is added to something to enlarge or prolong it; a continuation.
  
• A room or set of rooms added to an existing building.

Synonyms



expansion - prolongation - elongation - stretch



You can't "extend" something that is "sacrosanct" and "out of the gates" means "at first" with the reserved implication of "subject to change" later.

Only someone willfully blind would fail to see the contradiction and the writing on the wall in those statements.

Thx for being rude tho'...that gets you an honored spot in my ignore list and makes my forum perusal much more pleasant..

[SJ SCP Wolf]

DeaconW, on 06 July 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Are you an ostrich? nevermind...

"MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience." Garth Erlam http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1437264

sac·ro·sanct

/ˈsakrōˌsaNG(k)t/
Adjective
(esp. of a principle, place, or routine) Regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.
Synonyms
sacred - holy - inviolable

" Expect once the 3PV view mode hits the Test Servers in the next 30 days, players will find it not as powerful as feared or as intrusive into the existing experience, rather accept it as an extension. Of course as promised out of the gates players will be able to choose 1PV and 3PV mixed or just 1PV." Brian Ekman http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2500477

ex·ten·sion

/ikˈstenSHən/
Noun

• A part that is added to something to enlarge or prolong it; a continuation.
  
• A room or set of rooms added to an existing building.

Synonyms




expansion - prolongation - elongation - stretch



You can't "extend" something that is "sacrosanct" and "out of the gates" means "at first" with the reserved implication of "subject to change" later.

Only someone willfully blind would fail to see the contradiction and the writing on the wall in those statements.

Thx for being rude tho'...that gets you an honored spot in my ignore list and makes my forum perusal much more pleasant..

Apparently you cannot read your own text, because you would rather be ignorant and wrong. Don't ever quote me again. You make me look bad.

[Hotthedd]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 06 July 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

Apparently you cannot read your own text, because you would rather be ignorant and wrong. Don't ever quote me again. You make me look bad.

You said you had not seen the statements.
He showed you the statements.
Instead of refuting the evidence, you made a personal attack.

You lose.

[DeaconW]

Hotthedd, on 06 July 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

You said you had not seen the statements.
He showed you the statements.
Instead of refuting the evidence, you made a personal attack.

You lose.

Thx, dude. I appreciate you responding, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to enjoy the delicious unintended irony and humor of this statement by SJ SCP Wolf, "Don't ever quote me again. You make me look bad." ROFL! I should put that in my sig...

[MadSavage]

DeaconW, on 06 July 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Are you an ostrich? nevermind...

"MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience." Garth Erlam http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1437264

sac·ro·sanct

/ˈsakrōˌsaNG(k)t/
Adjective
(esp. of a principle, place, or routine) Regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.
Synonyms
sacred - holy - inviolable

" Expect once the 3PV view mode hits the Test Servers in the next 30 days, players will find it not as powerful as feared or as intrusive into the existing experience, rather accept it as an extension. Of course as promised out of the gates players will be able to choose 1PV and 3PV mixed or just 1PV." Brian Ekman http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2500477

ex·ten·sion

/ikˈstenSHən/
Noun

• A part that is added to something to enlarge or prolong it; a continuation.
  
• A room or set of rooms added to an existing building.

Synonyms




expansion - prolongation - elongation - stretch



You can't "extend" something that is "sacrosanct" and "out of the gates" means "at first" with the reserved implication of "subject to change" later.

Only someone willfully blind would fail to see the contradiction and the writing on the wall in those statements.

Thx for being rude tho'...that gets you an honored spot in my ignore list and makes my forum perusal much more pleasant..

The main points of those two articles: first person only is not going away (Garth Erlam), and third person isn't as bad as you think it is (Bryan Ekman). We haven't even seen any third person view screenshots yet. You're making assumptions, let me define it for you.

Assumption: make an *** out of you and me

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the "different ques" will, most likely, last a very short time

^^ you pulled that out of thin air.

"Of course as promised out of the gates players will be able to choose 1PV and 3PV mixed or just 1PV."

Please stop speculating and cluttering the forums with your overrated opinions and dictionary definitions. Not only are you stirring the community up, you're making a fool of yourself.

[GumbyC2C]

Belorion, on 05 July 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

So pick fpv only when it gets implemented. Not hard is it?

Calling it now, mixed queues will be the norm because of all the dumbed down gamers. Historically, lots of games have been dumbed down to generate more sales. It makes me sad, but it is true. Idiocracy is on the way. Tribes 2 to Tribes Vengance, Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3, The CoD series is a complete trip down this road. And now we can unproudly add Mechwarrior to that list.
Again, if you want to make a 3rd person Battletech mech game that's great, license the right IP. No one would make a first person Battletech simulator game called MechCommander 3.
I also have a hard time seeing how this does not grant a serious advantage in close combat to the 3rd person players. They won't need their sensors to track the enemy players. No need for a Seismic or a 360 since you can just see them. No need to learn how to look down at the radar and figure out what the mechs around you are doing since you can just see them.

[MadSavage]

The community is already split with ELO ratings. I never see people in Bronze League and they never see me. This game is healthy enough in player count so this is possible. My opinion is that 3PV will simply be an addition to the ELO bracket where lower leagues are able to view outside the cockpit. I'm honestly in favor of this because starting a new account and playing in the lower leagues, you will find that most players there are in stock green mechs having a hard time lockin their LRMs, and in no way are exploiting jump snipers or 4ppc stalkers. This isn't a bad thing, these are simply the circumstances. If 3PV helps these players enjoy the game, they should have the option to play that way. 3PV is not an 'extention to sacrosanct gameplay,' it is a way to simplify the game for people new to the franchise.

Don't put words in my mouth saying I'm a forum elitist. I've made a new account and played for a few games in the lower leagues. Those players are not in the position to exploit a third person feature. Obviously the point of concern is where the 3PV bracket cuts off and the 1PV only mode starts if it is done by ELO. It has been said to be a switchable feature, so it'll be interesting to see how PGI implements this feature.

[DeaconW]

MadSavage, on 06 July 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Assumption: make an *** out of you and me

Actually it's "'Assume' makes an ******* of you and me". You have to use the word "Assume" for that phrase to make sense otherwise you're making yourself look foolish(see what I did there?).

BTW, for those of us who oppose 3PV, we don't CARE about the screenshots because we don't want it in any form. Not sure why you think the fact that there are "no screenshots" has any relevance to this part of the discussion.

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^^ you pulled that out of thin air.

No, I didn't. But I did put a caveat on it. Of course it is speculation! I believe my statements are educated speculation based on previous events. Others agree with me. I would be happy for PGI to prove me wrong

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Please stop speculating and cluttering the forums with your overrated opinions and dictionary definitions. Not only are you stirring the community up, you're making a fool of yourself.

Yeah...the dictionary is the enemy...well, maybe it is to you. Words mean things, ideas have consequences. Sorry me pointing out the words and their definitions which illustrate that there may be some truth to my musings.

Also, posts are free. Which begs the question...why are people like you so intent on wanting to silence my harmless speculation? If I am so wrong, why does it matter? Just say "I think you are wrong" and move on. Makes one wonder....

The truth is that this thread is all about speculation about 3PV. Feel free to put me on your ignore list if you don't like what I have to say.

MadSavage, on 06 July 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

The community is already split with ELO ratings.

You think ELO works...ROFL!

GumbyC2C, on 06 July 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

Calling it now, mixed queues will be the norm because of all the dumbed down gamers. Historically, lots of games have been dumbed down to generate more sales. It makes me sad, but it is true. Idiocracy is on the way.

Yep...and that is why I am passionately trying to prevent this...both economically (I have sunk some change into MWO) and playing forumwarrior...

[MadSavage]

DeaconW, on 06 July 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

The truth is that this thread is all about speculation about 3PV. Feel free to put me on your ignore list if you don't like what I have to say.

I have no problem with opinions. I have a problem with people focused on nitpicking what other people have to say to make themselves look better. That's all you've done since SJ SCP Wolf stated his opinion. Wolf is in fact correct, you can select 1PV or mixed 1PV or 3PV modes, and the evidence you posted supports that.