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[Stoindrae]

Alternative to spending time working in a 3rd Person View:

People could either take the 3-5 rounds to learn how to drive a mech, or find a new game that wont tax their abilities... like Go Fish or something on Facebook.

[Oy of MidWorld]

pencilboom, on 17 November 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

lol to all the babies crying. some said hardcore fans are more likely mature people..instead these cry babies just crying again and again and again oh my god you hardcore babies are disgusting. have some faith ffs. they're testing this whether if this is viable or not. we as the beta testers should just give them feedback once we test them out. whats the big deal?

Your first sentence makes your opinion irrelevant. The second and third ones settle it.

Furthermore I think collisions must be back in the game.

Edited by Oy of MidWorld, 17 November 2012 - 09:44 AM.

[Gunny McDuck]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

This is encouraging, and I can only hope that the vehement reaction of part of the community, coupled with the (assumed?) difficulties in both implementing a 3rd person view, segregating the two view modes from a player perspective, and also not allowing 3rd person view to become a strategic and tactical advantage will result in PGI making the decision to not pursue developing this feature and spending their incredibly important development cycles on other aspects of the game.

[Codex Clavdex]

Third person view has no business what-so-ever in a tatical simulation shooter. It completely breaks the immersion, especially if you have mechs popping into existance based on LOS. Also 3rd person will not help at all with players that have a hard time figuring out where their legs are pointed, this is not a issue with MWO persay it is a issue with the dumbed down games that have been feed to the masses for the last decade so that anything that requires multitasking and actual thinking is beyond most players that play "twitch/spray and pray" shooters.

Like the vast majority of people here have stated please impliment a few trainning missions sans MW2 style to teach new players the basics but provide some kind of reward to intice them to play the missions like a free cockpit item or mech paint job that can only be obtained by doing the trainning missions. Please please please don't impliment third person and break the game.

[Sen]

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lol to all the babies crying. some said hardcore fans are more likely mature people..instead these cry babies just crying again and again and again oh my god you hardcore babies are disgusting. have some faith ffs. they're testing this whether if this is viable or not. we as the beta testers should just give them feedback once we test them out. whats the big deal?

This made me LOL, troll or no troll! &quot;You're all a bunch of babies, QQ, QQ, QQ; Maturity is measured in words and actions and you, sir, [and I use that term VERY loosely] have divulged your lack thereof. The forums may not be the entire player base by a long shot, but how many of the people speaking their minds and voting in the polls shelled out money for a founder's pack? How much money did that raise to help pay developer wages and ensure they could continue to work on the game? Alienating those people is akin to alienating the entire Genre, as those that shelled out money are typically as passionate as the developers CLAIM they are about the universe.


And. . in all fairness. . isn't the mech screen supposed to be a 360 degree view compressed into 160 degrees or something like that?



Multi edits for formatting. . apparently quoting in chrome does not work correctly for me, and the enter key in IE does not function on this forum. . and yet they're more worried about implementing 3rd person mode?

Edited by Sen, 17 November 2012 - 10:13 AM.

[Robdillard]

I was originally against the idea, because I assumed it was the traditional 3rd person view( a la world of tanks). I was against this particular implementation of first person. AFTER listening to the podcast and not just reading forum posts(after I got home). I am still hesisitant though not entirely against the idea as it does not sound like the world of tanks 3rd person view is what they are going for.

I think people would really just get the torso twist thing if they had an animated paper doll(see MW3/ wireframe view of mw2). That combined with polish on the maps would solve this issue IMO. There are so many implementations to 3rd person view. I think people just hoped on the bandwagon of the the implementation of MWOs biggest comparable game WoT and thought they were going with that. However given how little was said they are really in the planning stages now.

This wait and see approach will carry over to my current mc pile though. Until I get more news on this I will most likely will not be purchasing anymore. As I really like the way the game functions now and what is planned to really put you in the "pilot seat" in the future. Something I do not think they will work on as much should 3rd person of any kind be implemented.

[Isotobe]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Hi Mechwarriors,

So Russ let slip in an interview with No Guts No Galaxy we are looking into a 3rd person view option. It seems a lot of people are unhappy with this, so we’d like to explain our thought process here.

For reference, we also strongly recommend listening to Russ’s comments, as he provides a clear case for our approach.

Over the course of development, we’ve had a huge number of requests for a 3^rd person camera option. At this early stage, it’s something we feel that warrants further analysis, understanding and exploration.

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

If we find that there is a relevant role for an optional 3^rd person camera mode, then then would simply be an additional option that, if you don’t want it, won’t affect you. Bryan will be writing a detailed Command Chair post on this (he's currently at 40,000 feet, and not by Jump Jetting) with more details. For now, be assured we're acutely aware of past problems with 3rd person view, and will make sure those same issues are thoroughly addressed. We wouldn’t settle for anything less.

Cheers,
The MechWarrior Online Team

Garth,

Rather that waste any kind of resource on this nonsense, how about using that effort into making training rooms for us, or even work on the meta game, or fixing the netcode so we can rid the game of the lights lagshield, or so many more things that deserve and need doing prior to wasting time on `new features` which the majority of the player base dont seem to want.

Crazy I know.......

[Derek Icelord]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

I'm sorry, but if you have no plans to add 3rd person, why do you need to know what it would require to do so? The initial post you made screams "damage control" to me. I know I'm a cynical jack***, but this is following a pattern I've seen too many times before and is doing anything but alleviating my concerns.

[R01D5]

Ozzalin, on 16 November 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Very fancy words for trying to sell 3rd person view to us.
But i still say NO. lol sorry man, i came here to sit in my cockpit and smell the smoke and heated metal. Period.

No, brother, you missunderstand my intention. My words were honest and ment to be true.

Btw. a quick suggestion, how about a 3rd person view, with implemented tunnelvision, that way you can still see your mech from behind but the flanks remain hidden. Thoughts on this?

Edited by R01D5, 17 November 2012 - 10:43 AM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

ok ... new players to come and learn the game by 3PV ...
they are becoming more accustomed to, and want to keep 3VP 3VP because so beautifully simple ...
it must now give second server and Wargamingrooms for 3VP fraction ...
more and more new very young players go only to the simpler 3PV servers ... in 2 years, all FPV players only extinct "Mechwarrior Natives"

the famous statistical mass ...
will not pirate movies ... Watch Pirates of the Caribbean
wants nothing to do with the Wild West ... see Red Dead Redemption
wants no Flufgsimulationen ... see Microsoft Flight Simulator
wants simplest strategy games ... see the decline and death of C & C


played Blake`s Word 3PV

Edited by CSJ Ranger, 17 November 2012 - 11:10 AM.

[IceSerpent]

R01D5, on 17 November 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

No, brother, you missunderstand my intention. My words were honest and ment to be true.

Btw. a quick suggestion, how about a 3rd person view, with implemented tunnelvision, that way you can still see your mech from behind but the flanks remain hidden. Thoughts on this?

If you see the terrain around you, you have an advantage. If you don't, what do you expect to be rendered there - just flat white area?

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Stickjock, on 17 November 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

I really wish people would stop saying over 90% of the community are against it... the poll everyone refers to, yes, shows as of this morning 91.55% (even better for you stat spouters...)... but...

3,244 members have cast votes
2,969 voted No... 91.55%
401,128 total registered users on the forums...

So, that 2,969 isn't close to 90% of the community... it's more like .007%, so less than 1% of the community... yes, I know, most of those member that haven't voted probably don't even use the forums, but still...

Oh, who does not vote is thus automatically 3VP, so to win the elections in fas*ist dictatorships

[R01D5]

IceSerpent, on 17 November 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

If you see the terrain around you, you have an advantage. If you don't, what do you expect to be rendered there - just flat white area?

Negative: mech specs, starcom data, battlefield info, ammo, heat, weapons status, shoe size etc. you name it they can cram it in there.

CSJ Ranger, on 17 November 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

ok ... new players to come and learn the game by 3PV ...
they are becoming more accustomed to, and want to keep 3VP 3VP because so beautifully simple ...
it must now give extra server and Wargamingräume for 3VP fraction ...
more and more new very young players go only to the simpler 3PV servers ... in 2 years, all FPV players only extinct "Mechwarrior Natives"

the famous statistical mass ...
will not pirate movies ... Watch Pirates of the Caribbean
wants nothing to do with the Wild West ... see Red Dead Redemption
wants no Flufgsimulationen ... see Microsoft Flight Simulator
wants simplest strategy games ... see the decline and death of C & C


played Blake`s Word 3PV

Its called progress... it may or may not be good, but its still progress. We learn from our mistakes and adapt. Hence the ideas of giving the Effin'new guys 3rd person view, without impacting 1st person view, or giving it an advantage over the latter.

Edited by R01D5, 17 November 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[Hekalite]

Gimpy Warpig, on 17 November 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

OMG, will you guys SHUT THE HELL UP with the Whining!!!

I can GUARRANTEE that the majority of you who are ******** and crying the most HAVENT EVEN LISTENED TO RUSS'S INTERVIEW! HERE, I've helped you out. The part you are freaking crying about is at 28:40 thru 31:00.

GO TO THE PODCAST, if you have horrible attention span - fast forward to 28:40 - and F'ing LISTEN.

http://nogutsnogalax...2-russ-bullock/

Then, come back here and apologize for freaking whining so much about so little.

Because clicking a link and listening might be too hard for people, I have transcribed a portion of Russ' comments (to the best of my ability). This section starts around 29:30 and I have highlighted in bold, a few key phrases.

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...to our fan base there if you ah...we all want the world right, we want Mechwarrior Online to be around for 3 years and to have the biggest deepest richest community warfare feature ever and have huge server populations with hundreds of mercenary units playing the game and competing for the Inner Sphere...we're going to need to bring in a lot more new players. And if for the first few hours someone gets to use a different camera angle that teaches them how their mech functions, but then they pop into 1st person when they want to start taking, you know, start experiencing the more advanced aspects of the game, which would be the mercenary aspects, the community warfare aspects then they start to use first person only when they get into those situations. So you know, think of it more like a training camera. It's like, here's how we teach players to play the game, and after that expert pilots go in first person.

I just don't understand why people are freaking out considering that Russ was speaking off the cuff, and that it's very clear from the way he is talking that no final decisions on exactly how this would work have been made. Make your concerns know, absolutely, so that they can use that feedback to make the best decisions for everyone, but threatening to quit over a potential feature which may or may not have a negative impact on your gaming experience is just crazy and counterproductive.

[R01D5]

Well put. As I stated before, you would be quiting a great community for naught but your own inability to give ideas, adapt, listen, learn and teach that we can be new player, and will be new player friendly. Now then shall we start discussing? Or shall we continue to deal threats and shake wallets to the devs faces? You are free to choose, I believe you will choose wisely.

Edited by R01D5, 17 November 2012 - 11:13 AM.

[Windies]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

Damage control mode initiated, Backpedalling activated!

[Schiz0]

To all those who suggest a 3d model of your mech in the HUD to display your torso position in relation to the legs: we already have the yellow triangles on the directional compas AND the movement arrow with field of vision displayed on the minimap. If some people still have problems with stearing their Mech, a third display probably wouldn't help much.

I guess people are already aware of looking to another direction than they're moving to, when the torso is twisted. The problem they really have is most likely, that they run into stuff like buildings, fences or ditches, because of that. That's why they think 3rd person view would help. But in fact a zoomable and more detailed minimap would do the same job. Without giving anyone any benefits. Without splitting the community. Without confusing new players by "helping them to learn in 3rd person view", and then leave them overextended as soon as they can't use 3rd person view anymore in other game modes.

Yeah I listened to that podcast. And yeah I see it's important to reach new players and make the game more attractive to them. But you shouldn't do it at all costs. Especially if it means that you make it less attractive to the majority of those people who helped by funding this project. Don't do the same mistakes so many other developers did, by turning a challenging game into a dull ripoff, just for the sake of greed.

[R01D5]

Hence the compromise... And I see the interest in my previous post, to a non-advantageous 3rd person view has been but dully noted
http://mwomercs.com/...95#entry1441195
Come on lads put those grey cells to work and sort this mess out.

Edited by R01D5, 17 November 2012 - 12:01 PM.

[BFett]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Hi Mechwarriors,

So Russ let slip in an interview with No Guts No Galaxy we are looking into a 3rd person view option. It seems a lot of people are unhappy with this, so we’d like to explain our thought process here.

For reference, we also strongly recommend listening to Russ’s comments, as he provides a clear case for our approach.

Over the course of development, we’ve had a huge number of requests for a 3^rd person camera option. At this early stage, it’s something we feel that warrants further analysis, understanding and exploration.

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

If we find that there is a relevant role for an optional 3^rd person camera mode, then then would simply be an additional option that, if you don’t want it, won’t affect you. Bryan will be writing a detailed Command Chair post on this (he's currently at 40,000 feet, and not by Jump Jetting) with more details. For now, be assured we're acutely aware of past problems with 3rd person view, and will make sure those same issues are thoroughly addressed. We wouldn’t settle for anything less.

Cheers,
The MechWarrior Online Team

Sorry, but 150 members on this site that want third person is not a huge number of people when compared to the 3000+ people that do not want the feature. If you or Bryan have stats that suggest otherwise please provide them.

Source: http://mwomercs.com/...son-its-coming/

Edited by BFett, 17 November 2012 - 11:58 AM.

[Tonberry]

Well if they do read the forums at all at least they know what their core community wants. TBH i like a couple of the ideas to implement a limited 3rd person (single use drones that can be shot down awesome) but they should probably listen to the community on this one.
You need a tutorial and you need to make it better for new players plain and simple give them some candy to start with not the hard slog we've been saying this for a while now.
Also give all existing players the same bonus that a new player would get ><