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[Gimpy Warpig]

OMG, will you guys SHUT THE HELL UP with the Whining!!!

I can GUARRANTEE that the majority of you who are ******** and crying the most HAVENT EVEN LISTENED TO RUSS'S INTERVIEW! HERE, I've helped you out. The part you are freaking crying about is at 28:40 thru 31:00.

GO TO THE PODCAST, if you have horrible attention span - fast forward to 28:40 - and F'ing LISTEN.

http://nogutsnogalax...2-russ-bullock/

Then, come back here and apologize for freaking whining so much about so little.

[Zynk]

I'm a Legendary Founder, I have the 4 founders mech's, I own YLW also have the PCGamer skin and bobble head, even have Nvidia Dawn in my Hunchback.

How much more will I spend when the store hits?

If 3rd person is added I'm gone, 90% of the players do not want or support this option.

Are you really going to kowtow the minority?

[Felicitatem Parco]

JAFO, on 17 November 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Listen to the community,
http://mwomercs.com/...son-its-coming/
This poll should speak for itself.

3rd person will alienate a major portion of the dedicated Player base who donated money to this game.

End the debate!

The debate is ended, thankfully, with not only Garth's post but Bryan's upcoming post.

Sounds pretty clear that 3rd person will not infringe upon 1st person combat...

(edit: we ALL know that 3rd person is not welcom in 1st person combat, the poll is like asking if the sky is blue)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 17 November 2012 - 08:40 AM.

[Talinthis]

This will affect the people that dont use it and dont think it should be in the game since all 3rd person games you can look around a corner without actually being in danger. For this reason it should not be considered in a game like this. Just doesnt suit it.

[Razorwire]

Gimpy Warpig, on 17 November 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

OMG, will you guys SHUT THE HELL UP with the Whining!!!

I can GUARRANTEE that the majority of you who are ******** and crying the most HAVENT EVEN LISTENED TO RUSS'S INTERVIEW! HERE, I've helped you out. The part you are freaking crying about is at 28:40 thru 31:00.

GO TO THE PODCAST, if you have horrible attention span - fast forward to 28:40 - and F'ing LISTEN.

http://nogutsnogalax...2-russ-bullock/

Then, come back here and apologize for freaking whining so much about so little.

I listened to it.
I'm still leaving if 3rd person allows you to see behind your mech, or see around corners.

*edit* Unless it's restricted to newbie training grounds

Edited by Razorwire, 17 November 2012 - 08:45 AM.

[Stickjock]

Zynk, on 17 November 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

I'm a Legendary Founder, I have the 4 founders mech's, I own YLW also have the PCGamer skin and bobble head, even have Nvidia Dawn in my Hunchback.

How much more will I spend when the store hits?

If 3rd person is added I'm gone, 90% of the players do not want or support this option.

Are you really going to kowtow the minority?

Again... that 90% number... those that voted on that poll are NOT 90% of the players... they represent less than 1% of the total registered player base... but either way... it's as Prosperity said...

Tho' no one seems to want to read and comprehend what Garth posted...

Honestly this thread should be locked down as well... far too many disrespectful, flame filled comments by far too many posters...

[Joachim Viltry]

Huh, a vague responce, that does nothing to assuage the legitimate concerns voiced by the playerbase... yup sounds like buisness as ussual arround here. try this, try actually listening to the players, who have poked holes in your reasoning. otherwise you end up with statements that basically come off as "suck it".

and yet none of the devs has learned, STILL they persist in crafting these non-responces, that actually inflame those who put forth effort to explain their concerns and point out the flaws in their reasoning. ignorance, apathy, arrogance, or stupidity? i'd love to know which it is. because 3rd person is a stupid immersion breaking idea, and you should feel bad for suggesting it.

It's not like there arent huge problems with the game engine to fix or anything like that- naw just add a new feature for BS reasons, to do BS things so people without spacial reasoning can have their little cake...

[KBob]

Kaijin, on 16 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

How huge is "huge"?

2,777 2844 2880 2,915 over the course of 57 hours huge?

Edit: Poll link, just in case you missed it:
http://mwomercs.com/...son-its-coming/

you mean 3k+ already and counting ?

Seriously - some beacons for 3rd person view are ok ... but actually having this view is primary ... meeh

[Synra]

I am coming into this a bit late. Normally I would write a long detailed post about how I feel about this. But this time I believe it has all been said a hundred times over. So the sort of it is; I am not happy. Something like this shouldn't even be up for consideration.

[Gunny McDuck]

Dai San, on 17 November 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

Deja vu or what?

I remember not to long ago someone let slip about 4 player teams... Then came the denials and an "It was just something we were thinking about" statement. The lo and behold it was announced that was exactly what was happening.

Personally I say all this discussion is mute, basically bend over and grab your ankles because 3rd person is coming wether we want it or not.

As much as I want say that we have some influence on what will happen with 3rd person view, this statement is likely correct.

[KBob]

Stickjock, on 17 November 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Again... that 90% number... those that voted on that poll are NOT 90% of the players... they represent less than 1% of the total registered player base

but surprisingly - each time when 1% of voters about us elections are questioned - the result is extremely close to the full fledged vote .. strange huh ?

[Oy of MidWorld]

Oh, the original feedback thread was closed at 99 pages.

I think this reaction from the forum using playerbase has made very clear what kind of a game most of us want. A simulation style game was promised, and delivered so far. It lacks content, but has great potetial. True, not every player is active on the forums, but it is the most representative vote you can get.

Please don't polish off the edges that have always been the strong point of this game (franchise). Instead refine and build upon the simulation experience that we like (and you promised).

Oh, and inspired by Cato the Elder, I shall add the following sentence to all of my future posts from now on:

Furthermore I think collisions must be back in the game.

[luckyhobbit]

3rd person view? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Please dont kill this game by putting in an "optional" 3rd person view, because we all would have no other option than to use it because of its obvious advantages over 1st person view. I cant believe the devs are even considering it. Actually they have come up with some pretty silly ideas lately...

[Alois Hammer]

CabooseJr, on 16 November 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

I think third person should enable someone to view the back of their mech with no vision outside said rear of mech. This way it won't affect those of us who want a true simulation as opposed to an arcade game.

Easily done: Third-person camera in Mechlab, simluator-only cockpit view when playing. Problem solved, the players can play and the ones who want to play dress-up dolls can do so without interfering with actual players.

[Damocles69]

third person is bad and you should feel bad for wanting it...and for lying to us at the begging of this game's development saying that it would never be part of this game. i have listened to all the reasons yet there is no explanation on the complete 180 of your stance on this. i don't like being lied to

[AvatarofWhat]

Gimpy Warpig, on 17 November 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

OMG, will you guys SHUT THE HELL UP with the Whining!!!

I can GUARRANTEE that the majority of you who are ******** and crying the most HAVENT EVEN LISTENED TO RUSS'S INTERVIEW! HERE, I've helped you out. The part you are freaking crying about is at 28:40 thru 31:00.

GO TO THE PODCAST, if you have horrible attention span - fast forward to 28:40 - and F'ing LISTEN.

http://nogutsnogalax...2-russ-bullock/

Then, come back here and apologize for freaking whining so much about so little.

Yes, I've listened. They clearly would rather implement 3rd person view then implement an actual tutorial. They would like to split the playerbase between 3rd person and 1st person. They want to spend a lot of time and effort to make sure that 3rd person does not grant clear advantages.

They should be focusing on something that most of the community cares about instead like, the crappy netcode, the ctd issues, the memory leaks, the lack of maps, game modes, an in-game tutorial or community warfare. Almost no one cares about 3rd person and most people simply do not want it in the game period. So instead of improving their game they are adding a random feature to try and appeal to 4% of the current playerbase who wants this? Do they seriously think that 3rd person is what mech sim fans are looking for? If this was a twitch FPS I would understand but they are catering to a demographic of which most will never play the game anyway.

Do you realize how much time and effort it would take to implement this feature perfectly? Think of how buggy the current game is and then think of how many new bugs making mechs invisible and then visible just for 3rd person is going to make. This is one of the worst ideas PGI has had to date and the current community has a duty to tell them, NO! this is not for us!

[Reno Blade]

I know there are games where you could "spectate" your char.
The cam is circling around you to show how awesome you look. It's not a part of the gameplay, it was more for enjoying the grafics while your not activiely playing in the world.

For 3rd person view to be usefull and not advanteous (spelling?) I can think of training maps, "drop sequence cutszenes" and such that isnt related to the PvP gaming.

[Gunny McDuck]

OK, still feel the same way after listening to the podcast.

Why would you split the playerbase?
Why would you fragment the community?

Theoretically, the hardcore players that have been here since the beginning (or some reasonable facsimile) will keep to 1st person perspective, and new players to BT and MW will start with 3rd person, stay with 3rd person......and keep playing that way.


So fast forward some period of time, and you have two distinct groups of players, one group absolutely and categorically refusing to play with the other group.



So yeah, I still don't see the benefit of this.


Again, make a tutorial or some sort of an acclimation period so that new folks learn how to drive their giant stompy robot without a crutch or training wheels.....

[pencilboom]

lol to all the babies crying. some said hardcore fans are more likely mature people..instead these cry babies just crying again and again and again oh my god you hardcore babies are disgusting. have some faith ffs. they're testing this whether if this is viable or not. we as the beta testers should just give them feedback once we test them out. whats the big deal?

[Gunny McDuck]

pencilboom, on 17 November 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

lol to all the babies crying. some said hardcore fans are more likely mature people..instead these cry babies just crying again and again and again oh my god you hardcore babies are disgusting. have some faith ffs. they're testing this whether if this is viable or not. we as the beta testers should just give them feedback once we test them out. whats the big deal?

People are reacting like this because as stated before in this thread, the last time the devs said "hey, we're looking into maybe doing something" it turned out to be the 4 man drop, and they ended up doing it, and while I can't speak for everyone, the LRM/Artemis + 4 man drop thing basically pushed me to play another game for the past 2 some odd weeks, and I know I'm not the only one.

The reaction you're seeing is one of deep frustration, as there seems to be a fundamental disconnect somewhere.