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[B0oN]

reiGngehoWn, on 11 June 2013 - 05:31 AM, said:

Ehm, am I that stupid?

Where is the lobby?

"Where is the lobby ?" as in : is it implemented ? No, UI 2.0 is still some time away, Lobby mockups can be found in the UI2.0 thread quite at the bottom of it.

[Windies]

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

I was here, let me repeat what I've said like 40 times.

In no way, shape or form....combined or separate is the two threads total voting members (5,000 give or take a few hundred) an accurate representation of 480,000 members.

In fact, 5,000 members out of 480,000 members means the total population that cast a vote is AT BEST (if no 1 person used a different account to cast multiple votes) is approximately 1.04% of the entire registered population.

How is it that the 1.04% of the population claims they are the "majority" of players and are so certain of that.

I am a proud owner of 4 legendary founder accounts and I am a proud owner of 6 different mechwarrior games and select tabletop miniatures. Third person perspective has been apart of nearly EVERY pc mechwarrior game to date. There is no reason it should be omitted now.

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

I could log onto my other 3 founders accounts whos posts are less than 10 and explain the above. Would that not be the same?

Never has anyone nullified their own point of view so succinctly as you have. You take the 480,000 account count as a strict player count yet in the same posting you admit to having multiple accounts which literally nullifies that viewpoint. I have like 5 accounts I've created, mostly for testing different mech options without having to grind them all out. Lets not even factor in all of the spam bot accounts that have been created or troll accounts.

[Pando]

Pihoqahiak, on 17 June 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

Why would anyone want to buy them? Founders's mechs have long since been obsoleted and you don't get much else from a Founder's account really, so I can't see a market for them.

I've had a few offers upward of 300$, because each account has approximately 20 battlemechs, all mechs have engines upgrades weapons the whole lot (and 4 founder mechs)....has the full premium time and MC that came with the package deal. Additionally each individually received a $50 injection during the last MC sale way back when that happened totaling 35,000 MC sitting on the 3 alt accounts

The plan actually is to give them to friends/family as a gift. So they can start in the game with tons of battlemechs, without the painful grind....and if they ever don't want or get tired of playing them...i get them back

[Pando]

Windies, on 17 June 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Never has anyone nullified their own point of view so succinctly as you have. You take the 480,000 account count as a strict player count yet in the same posting you admit to having multiple accounts which literally nullifies that viewpoint. I have like 5 accounts I've created, mostly for testing different mech options without having to grind them all out. Lets not even factor in all of the spam bot accounts that have been created or troll accounts.

It does not nullify the viewpoint, otherwise you're saying there is only 5,000 unique players playing this game. I'm saying the people QQ'ing about 3rd person are in fact a very small minority.

Even if you inflated the voting polls to reflect 5x the value...at 25,000 members voted NO, thats still only 5.2% of 480,000

Even if you inflated the voting polls to reflect 10x the value....at 50,000 members voted NO, thats still only 10.4% of 480,000

[Pihoqahiak]

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

I've had a few offers upward of 300$, because each account has approximately 20 battlemechs, all mechs have engines upgrades weapons the whole lot (and 4 founder mechs)....has the full premium time and MC that came with the package deal. Additionally each individually received a $50 injection during the last MC sale way back when that happened totaling 35,000 MC sitting on the 3 alt accounts

The plan actually is to give them to friends/family as a gift. So they can start in the game with tons of battlemechs, without the painful grind....and if they ever don't want or get tired of playing them...i get them back

Then they are mainly paying for the money you already put into the accounts, combined with the time you spent building them up as well. MUCH different then paying much of anything for a run of the mill Founder account with nothing extra added to it.

[Pando]

Randalf Yorgen, on 17 June 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

4 accounts huh, going to throw them up on E-Bay once the game launches?

Probably not, but that was what they were purchased for IMO in the beginning.

Pihoqahiak, on 17 June 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Then they are mainly paying for the money you already put into the accounts, combined with the time you spent building them up as well. MUCH different then paying much of anything for a run of the mill Founder account with nothing extra added to it.

Yes, I did take advantage of the glitched R&R system way back when.

[Pando]

For those of you who mention "Well we had this 3rd person view poll with 3,000 votes for NO"...

I'll leave this here for you to think about.

If we take the total registered accounts set approximately at 480,000.
Account for if every 1 player creates 1 real and 7 "troll" or "personal" accounts meaning 60,000 unique players
Take those 60,000 unique players and take into consideration only 3,000 members voted in that 3rd person view poll.
That means the "majority" comprises a total of 5% of the total population.
5% is a long shot from majority.

Edited by Pando, 17 June 2013 - 09:17 AM.

[Khanahar]

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

For those of you who mention "Well we had this 3rd person view poll with 3,000 votes for NO"...

I'll leave this here for you to think about.

If we take the total registered accounts set approximately at 480,000.
Account for if every 1 player creates 1 real and 7 "troll" or "personal" accounts meaning 60,000 unique players
Take those 60,000 unique players and take into consideration only 3,000 members voted in that 3rd person view poll.
That means the "majority" comprises a total of 5% of the total population.
5% is a long shot from majority.

In US national opinion polls, around 1,000 people are considered statistically significant in saying things about 300,000,000.

[Xx Albain xX]

Just saying.

I have two friends who are USUALLY the calm ones, but both said if 3rd person is implemented they are done with MWO.

I am not for it either, but was not going to quit because of it. If my friends stop playing then it becomes a much harder decision.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

I've had a few offers upward of 300$, because each account has approximately 20 battlemechs, all mechs have engines upgrades weapons the whole lot (and 4 founder mechs)....has the full premium time and MC that came with the package deal. Additionally each individually received a $50 injection during the last MC sale way back when that happened totaling 35,000 MC sitting on the 3 alt accounts

The plan actually is to give them to friends/family as a gift. So they can start in the game with tons of battlemechs, without the painful grind....and if they ever don't want or get tired of playing them...i get them back

Mind if I call BS on that? 80 mechs all pimped out and fully opened. You are either 1. a farmer, 2. have several buddies helping you or, 3 haven't left your mothers basement in a year. Reguardless, selling or giving the accounts away, is that not inviolation if the user agreements, I'll have to look at the fine print again but I believe it is.

[Pando]

Khanahar, on 17 June 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

In US national opinion polls, around 1,000 people are considered statistically significant in saying things about 300,000,000.

Those 1,000 people are also pre-selected and required to provide feedback.
Our 3,000 are not pre-selected and are providing feedback of their own volition.

Completely different circumstances..lack there of "control" group.

[Pando]

Randalf Yorgen, on 17 June 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

Mind if I call BS on that? 80 mechs all pimped out and fully opened. You are either 1. a farmer, 2. have several buddies helping you or, 3 haven't left your mothers basement in a year. Reguardless, selling or giving the accounts away, is that not inviolation if the user agreements, I'll have to look at the fine print again but I believe it is.

Sure. I played hardcore before R&R was removed on all 4 of the accounts. I have my main account that I've played hardcore on ever since the cbills were reset for the final time. I've spent more than I care to mention for premium time on my main account. Which is why it has 40+ battlemechs all with the above goodies. I've even purchased 2 Misery, 2 Firebrand, Ilya, Yenlo, and 2 heavymetal total between mine and my wifes main accounts.

My wife helped me grind up the 3 alt founder ones.

On my main account, I believe I just hit 7 or 8,000 drops since the last hard reset. The alt accounts probably have 25% of that total. But, again all drops on alts were done before R&R was removed...and making 320,000 cbills a match was very common for me

I'm not exactly sure how you figure I could ever be reported for lending accounts to whoever I want. But I'd sure love to see you try. Especially since you don't know the names of the other 4 accounts I have access to.

** OH and I don't live in grandma's basement. I'm a decent player, I make good money.

Edited by Pando, 17 June 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[Pando]

Khanahar, on 17 June 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

In US national opinion polls, around 1,000 people are considered statistically significant in saying things about 300,000,000.

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Those 1,000 people are also pre-selected and required to provide feedback.
Our 3,000 are not pre-selected and are providing feedback of their own volition.

Completely different circumstances..lack there of "control" group.

Back on topic.

Edited by Pando, 17 June 2013 - 10:25 AM.

[Coolant]

KingCobra, on 16 June 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

NO!!! PGI is doing the right thing by introducing 3rd person into the game 3rd person has been part of MechWarrior since MW2 and I see no reason why MWO should not have both options. Now before all the hate trolls get me let me explain why there is a place for both views in MechWarrior this is a known fact since it has been standard in all MechWarrior PC games even the expansions.If PGI makes it a option you can play with 3rd person or not and under no circumstances mix the views like in past MechWarrior games I welcome the change for the good. I played both views in many leagues and both views were fun to play.

Love that Templar and PPC's...love the ability to revolve camera around mech. Pic is worth a thousand words and hard to refute that that pic doesn't look cool (so would MWO).

pow pow, on 13 June 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

imo mw4 died because it was a heavily outdated and unsupported game. 3pv screwed it? don't think so.

you talking about view advantages again. Does seismic give a higher advantage to veterans (with cbills/gxp to spare) over new players?? very much so. Did seismic ruin the game? not really, or at least I haven't noticed diminishing player numbers since last patch.

can't argue with doom bringers of the apocalypse type comments. I like progress, i want this game to get big and have esports.

Exactly. 3rd Person did not kill MW4. 3rd person was in it from the beginning and for a couple of years there were plenty of players. How could 3rd Person kill it if it went a couple of years? That makes no sense. If this incredibly huge majority of 1st person only players (according to that infamous poll) had 1st Person only servers to play in MW4 then that game should've continued for years...like it did. Or, it could be that it continued for years because there was a 3rd Person. Either way....

Besides, you 1st Person only sim players have a vast majority anyway in MWO right? You keep pointing to that poll. So, don't worry, you will have plenty of 1st Person only players to shoot....right? (Which, btw, totally screws anyone's point that there will be an advantage...uh....because you don't have to play against anyone in 3rd Person).

Die Primate Die, on 16 June 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

For God's sake, don't fix the broken hitboxes that have only become worse....unleashing 5 streaks and 2 AC 20's into a standing mech for 6 total damage is sooooo fun, we now need 3rd person as a resource to devote precious dev time on.

The truth of this is as follows, bookmark this, laugh at me now, but come back in 6 months and see if I'm not right:

PGI figures the WoT people who are tired of P2W will flock here once it's 3rd person, along with some Hawken players.

They also falsely assume the founders and people like me, will have invested so much money and time into this ****, that we wouldn't be able to cut the umbilical cord and depart.

Well I sunk 8 years and well over $1000 in WoW and walked away with no remorse.

Umm...contradictory. You waited 8 years and spent $1000. You still have 7 years to go with MWO and who knows how much money.

Edited by Coolant, 17 June 2013 - 10:37 AM.

[Dude42]

We just have to stop paying when they push this garbage out. It's the only way to send a message that maybe the guy looking at spreadsheets all day making decisions about MWO based off potential CoD kiddies joining can hear. When all you care about is dumbing things down so you can hock it to as many people as possible we end up with games like "Sim City".

I swear I thought people literally gave this company 5 millions dollars so they could make the game... Oh well. Looks like they spent all of that money hiring analysts, PR guys, and the rest is probably a bonus for some CEO somewhere, who figured out that the solution to getting even more money was to dumb it down more. Greed.

Lesson learned about kickstarters, they can literally take the money and use it not to build the game, but to hire a bunch of people who do not want to build a game, but another EA. So glad I didn't find out about this game back then. I would have given them money, but after seeing what companies can do with the money they get from kickstarters and crowd funding, even when such funding is based on statements which will be reversed at the first sign of more money, nope. This has turned me off from crowdfunding and kickstarters in general.

GG

[Pando]

Dude42, on 17 June 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

We just have to stop paying when they push this garbage out. It's the only way to send a message that maybe the guy looking at spreadsheets all day making decisions about MWO based off potential CoD kiddies joining can hear. When all you care about is dumbing things down so you can hock it to as many people as possible we end up with games like "Sim City".

I swear I thought people literally gave this company 5 millions dollars so they could make the game... Oh well. Looks like they spent all of that money hiring analysts, PR guys, and the rest is probably a bonus for some CEO somewhere, who figured out that the solution to getting even more money was to dumb it down more. Greed.

Lesson learned about kickstarters, they can literally take the money and use it not to build the game, but to hire a bunch of people who do not want to build a game, but another EA. So glad I didn't find out about this game back then. I would have given them money, but after seeing what companies can do with the money they get from kickstarters and crowd funding, even when such funding is based on statements which will be reversed at the first sign of more money, nope. This has turned me off from crowdfunding and kickstarters in general.

GG

Please refrain from posting. You're diluting this discussion like you've diluted the human gene pool.

** guess that's a bit harsh. how about, this game is successful at this time...this game is growing, in the right direction. this game is the flavor of mechwarrior...mechwarrior has almost ALWAYS had 3rd person view....i feel sorry you missed out on founders because it was a great program

Edited by Pando, 17 June 2013 - 10:48 AM.

[Dude42]

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Please refrain from posting. You're diluting this discussion like you've diluted the human gene pool.

Hard up for 3PV huh? Go. Play. Hawken.

[Pando]

Dude42, on 17 June 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Hard up for 3PV huh? Go. Play. Hawken.

Nah, I'm to good and enjoy it. I dislike hawken, very much so.

You must not be a true mechwarrior fan, other wise you would know better than to say "want 3rd person, go play hawken"....you would instead say "go play any other mechwarrior game created for the PC or Console"...literally ANY other mechwarrior game and guess what IT PROBABLY HAS 3RD PERSON VIEW.

I'm always #winning, you're always #qq'ing about some crap while you probably have NO CLUE what you're crying about. Just crying for the sake of crying.

Please i need more people to tell me how broken the game is with 3rd person when you've yet to see it implemented.

I need more forum user tears to fill my QQ coolant module I use on my 4PPC stalker.

Edited by Pando, 17 June 2013 - 10:56 AM.

[BigMekkUrDakka]

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Love that Templar and PPC's...love the ability to revolve camera around mech. Pic is worth a thousand words and hard to refute that that pic doesn't look cool (so would MWO).

you wont get ability to revolve camera around mech ever in this game, and you still can get whatever amount of "cool" screenshots from cockpit you want, totally unrelated to topic

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Exactly. 3rd Person did not kill MW4. 3rd person was in it from the beginning and for a couple of years there were plenty of
players. How could 3rd Person kill it if it went a couple of years? That makes no sense. If this incredibly huge majority of 1st person only players (according to that infamous poll) had 1st Person only servers to play in MW4 then that game should've continued for years...like it did. Or, it could be that it continued for years because there was a 3rd Person. Either way....

couple of years? don't make me laugh look at quake3 or starcraft compared to those mw4 never was even alive
and it was already pretty much arcade game so 3pv, 1pv its still crap that shouldn't be spoken of

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Besides, you 1st Person only sim players have a vast majority anyway in MWO right? You keep pointing to that poll. So, don't worry, you will have plenty of 1st Person only players to shoot....right? (Which, btw, totally screws anyone's point that there will be an advantage...uh....because you don't have to play against anyone in 3rd Person).

naive so naive, there will be huge load of players who will use 3pv anywhere they want, as soon as its implemented in client, and it will be used to win cw or whatever. and i bet pgi will just "forget" about splitting queue on favor of 3pv/mixed only queue as soon as things will cool off

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Those 1,000 people are also pre-selected and required to provide feedback.
Our 3,000 are not pre-selected and are providing feedback of their own volition.
Completely different circumstances..lack there of "control" group.

elaborate please? what control group? and why those 3.000 players (actually this is more if take cumulative votes on various polls)
cant serve as representatives of majority in playerbase?

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Please refrain from posting. You're diluting this discussion like you've diluted the human gene pool.

** guess that's a bit harsh. how about, this game is successful at this time...this game is growing, in the right direction. this game is the flavor of mechwarrior...mechwarrior has almost ALWAYS had 3rd person view....i feel sorry you missed out on founders because it was a great program

all of those games was designed for singleplayer, with very little to none regard to actual PvP or even mech sim

Edited by BigMekkUrDakka, 17 June 2013 - 11:08 AM.

[Dude42]

Pando, on 17 June 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

Nah, I'm to good at this game to quit for a crap game. You must not be a true mechwarrior fan, other wise you would know better than to say "want 3rd person, go play hawken"....you would instead say "go play any other mechwarrior game created for the PC or Console"...literally ANY other mechwarrior game and guess what IT PROBABLY HAS 3RD PERSON VIEW.

Exactly. And you see what it did for those games right? But this has been beaten to death, just go back a few dozen pages if you're curious about its effect on those games.

Personally, as long as I don't have to actually play with(or against) a 3PV kiddie it's all good. However, considering they now have a history of going back on their word, my hopes are very, very low.

If you don't actually understand the advantages 3PV offers, and why people might not wish to play against people with those advantages, well again, just read through this thread, it's quite thoroughly explained.

I'm not sure exactly why you're so up in arms for 3PV though. That I don't understand. If they left it in the Training Ground only, so you could take your screenshots and see your mech walking around, why is that so bad? They could even be really free with the camera movement as there would be no other players for it to have an impact upon. What is it about 3PV from the robot's view that you think would make combat between pilots using giant robots better?