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Would you play a clan character if you were given the chance?

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#61 Jaroth Corbett

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:31 PM

View PostCoffiNail, on 03 November 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:


EVERYONE who thinks this NEEDS to go read the part where Phelan convinces Ulric to not use the same sort of tactic by bidding away the Direwolf.

Ulric thought it was a waste due to the resources and such for taking out Edo. HE DID NOT THINK IT WAS A HORRIBLE THING. IlKhan Lincon Osis Stripped the Star Captain (iirc S. Cap) of his rank, and also thought it was extremly wasteful and should not have happened.

THIS WAS ONE COMMANDER who got over whelmed because you get Dark Caste raids but not rioting, civillian bombing, and other dezgra terrorism actions. He also found out the population did not give the heir of the Combine over to them. Clan Society you are encourage to rat out your co-workers if he is slacking, stealing, whatever. You go to your superior, if you are found to be harboring information good chance you will get a public flogging or something of the like, get knocked down a few grades which means less work credits and standard of living. This Commander found Hohiro escaped, and he was furious. HOW do you think a commander would feel if he found out that the heir of the realm you are trying to conquer slipped through your fingers... that you had him in your prison faciilty and he escaped. You would be mad too, even more when you guess how ****** your CO is going to be at you.

The Clan trueborns are RAISED to not think twice about the death. OF ANYONE... aside from Ghost Bear, we honor and remember our fallen. But even then it is not sobbing tears, it is ahh ****, he is gone. Really liked arguing battle tactics over a drink, he was a good bro, I will make sure these surats pay! All Clansmen, be it Warrior of lower caste are there for The Clan, The Clan is life. Read Jade Phoenix 3. The one tech caste would rather die then have his commander work with the honorless scum holding him hostage.


(sorry for the length, i tried to use a spoiler tag)
Khan Ulric and Phelan about Edo

"Aff, Khan Ulric." Phelan saw by Ulric's reaction that he had expected a negative response. I can't let happen to Rasalhague what happened on Turtle Bay. "I know of something that will guarantee you win the bidding." For the first time, Phelan saw uncertainty on the older man's face, and it worried him. Have I overplayed my hand? Have I made myself a danger to him and the Clans?
Ulric's features settled into an impassive mask. "What is it?"
Now or never. "Bid away the Dire Wolf."
The mercenary's answer brought a momentary look of shock to the Khan's face, but it faded quickly. "You do not know what you are suggesting." Even as Ulric spoke, his gaze flicked over Phelan, seeming to reassess what the bondsman had become.
Phelan straightened up. "I believe I do, Khan Ulric." The Kell Hound suddenly found his mouth going dry. "I saw the holovid of the Sabre Cat, the Smoke Jaguar flagship, lasing Edo to put an end to the riots there. I watched as missiles leveled buildings and lasers stabbed down from high orbit to melt the streets. The Sawagashii River boiled away to nothing! In a matter of minutes, a city of over a million was reduced to a charred, glassy scar on the face of the planet. How can you say I don't know what I'm asking?"
"Even the ilKhan believed that a prison break and six weeks of riots were not enough to justify that sort of retaliation." The Khan's eyes focused beyond the holotank. "I give you my word that I will never so level a world."



Clans dishing out justice Clan style, yes it is harsh, but their homeworlds are mostly harsh inhospitable enviroments.


The infantryman pointed to the hovel nearest the Daishi. "If the individual responsible is not turned over to us in the next two minutes, everyone in this house will die."
Shin cuffed Motochika roughly. "Fool, see what you have done?"
The younger man looked at Shin as though the Mech Warrior were mad. "You don't expect me to go out there, do you? I struck a blow for our freedom. They're bluffing. They won't destroy that house."
Shin stared hard at the man beside him. "You best hope they don't. If they do, and if you refuse to turn yourself over, I'll shoot you myself and dump your body in the street."
As the deadline neared, faces appeared in the windows and doorways of the street, including the house designated for destruction. The Smoke Jaguar infantryman bowed in the direction of the street, then turned toward the dwelling. At the same time, the Daishi swung its elbows back and locked its weapons down on the wood-scrap and tar-paper hovel.
Motochika turned away, but Shin grabbed a handful of his hair and forced him to look out the window. "Watch!"
At the large laser's hellish touch, the hovel exploded into an instant bonfire. Crackling flames appeared from everywhere at once, rising above the DaishTs head, then dropping down again as a hail of autocannon slugs flattened the building. A woman, her hair and clothing aflame, dashed screaming from the door, but one burst of laser bolts from the invader infantryman silenced her cries forever.
The acrid scent of singed hair and burning flesh made Motochika tear away from Shin's grasp and vomit in the corner. Shin ignored him as the Daishi stepped forward and snuffed the flames beneath its flat metal feet. The infantry spokesman again addressed the street.
"People of Uramachi precinct, we have traced a criminal to this place. He committed the most wasteful and careless act of planting a bomb in a place where civilian and military personnel were present. The explosion caused great loss of life—both to our people and yours. This will not continue."
The soldier pointed to the next hovel. "If the individual responsible is not turned over to us in the next two minutes, everyone in this house will die."
Shin's mouth went sour. "The same words, Motochika, and the same gestures. Are you going to take responsibility for your actions, or are you going to let more people die?"
Motochika, still holding himself on hands and knees, looked weakly over his shoulder at the Kuroi Kiri MechWarrior. "No one else has dared to strike at them as I have. The Old Man authorized expeditions to steal weapons and supplies from them, but we have never hurt them. While he has been content with thievery, they have been kidnapping our people. If I am the only man with true courage, I cannot allow myself to be sacrificed because no one else will actually fight these invaders!"
Shin fought to control the fury Motochika's words aroused. "What courage does it take to plant a bomb and kill innocents as well as the guilty? You are nothing more than a common murderer! And how is it you claim courage when you huddle here like a whipped cur? There must be more than courage. There must be intelligence and honor in your actions. You are a child striking out blindly, then expecting others to take responsibility for your mistakes."
A bright spark of orange caught Shin's eye from the street, and almost instantly he knew what would happen. He leaned over and grabbed Motochika by the collar of his leather jacket. "This is courage. Watch and learn."
A bald-headed, saffron-robed Buddhist monk walked down the rubble-strewn street toward the Smoke Jaguars. He held his hands pressed together just below his chin and bowed to the lead infantryman. "You will forgive me for not appearing sooner. I had sought to deny my fate. I planted the bomb you described. You need punish no one else."
Without hesitation or remorse, the infantryman swung his laser rifle around and triggered it. The bolts stitched their way up the monk's body and knocked him flying. He finally rolled to a stop, smoke rising from the black crater where his face should have been.
The Smoke Jaguars then turned and walked away as though nothing untoward had happened. Shin released Motochika, letting him slump against the window casement, then crept across the floor to the trapdoor. "Were I like you, Motochika, I would shoot you. But it is not my place to challenge the Old Man's authority. I am going to him now to ask for his judgement. If you are the man you claim to be, then follow me."
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I did say it was wasteful CoffiNail. It is right there. They considered it detestable because of the waste. If I did not make that point clear I apologize. I have the books trothkin. I reject your point though that Clan warriors are not thought to think of the death of anyone. In fact it is death that they concerned with, more so what people will think of them when they die. How they will be remembered hence the huge need to have your name in the Remembrance or more importantly have your DNA added to the active gene pool. All warriors are asked to remember great dead heroes e.g. the Jade Falcons have Aidan Pryde.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 04 November 2011 - 01:37 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:31 PM

View Postflessar, on 04 November 2011 - 01:23 PM, said:

If those who are playing Clan's cant/wont be held to their code's that dictate their version of warfare, there is absolutly no point in including them into the timeline. It was those very code's that allowed the IS to win the few victories they did early on and keep their morale from shattering completly in the opening year of the war. After the temporary truce to elect their new head Khan the clan's shifted their warfare away from the code's rigid nature some more then others but the code was still there.

Simply put, you want to play dirty, play in the IS.
You want honor and a code that ties both hands behind your back, with the hottest omni tech/weapons in existance, play clan. If you ignore their code, GTFO.


Most people want to play Clans just because of their guns, they dont care about any lore behind them. When I realized this, (that Im one of those) I was really embarrased, but most people will just go all Timber Wolf and wipe the floor with IS (or at least go to the battle thinking they can do that).

Edited by adridos, 04 November 2011 - 01:32 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:35 PM

View Postadridos, on 04 November 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:


Most people want to play Clans just because of their guns, they dont care about any lore behind them. When I realized this, (that Im one of those) I was really embarrased, but most people will just go all Timber Wolf and wipe the floor with IS (or at least go to the battle thinking they can do that).


Those are the ones ill be gunning for, a true clanner with technique and honor will be nearly unstopable on the battlefield. Ill just handicap them by taking out the idiots in their star first leaving them with no support to block any flanking we do, or watch for the surprise cold starts in the bushes/alley ways as they advance to the objective. For those of you with honor, ill be paying really good C-Bills to recover from my fights with you, to the rest, prepare to meet Kerensky in person.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:39 PM

View Postflessar, on 04 November 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:


Those are the ones ill be gunning for, a true clanner with technique and honor will be nearly unstopable on the battlefield. Ill just handicap them by taking out the idiots in their star first leaving them with no support to block any flanking we do, or watch for the surprise cold starts in the bushes/alley ways as they advance to the objective. For those of you with honor, ill be paying really good C-Bills to recover from my fights with you, to the rest, prepare to meet Kerensky in person.


You can be as good as it is virtually possible, but one man cant fight whole army. You will have to stick with those "scums".

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:42 PM

View Postadridos, on 04 November 2011 - 01:39 PM, said:


You can be as good as it is virtually possible, but one man cant fight whole army.


Kinda embarrassing to remind a Spheroid of this, but...
*cough*Kai Allard-Liao *cough*

:)

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:49 PM

View PostIS-Wolf, on 04 November 2011 - 01:42 PM, said:


Kinda embarrassing to remind a Spheroid of this, but...
*cough*Kai Allard-Liao *cough*

:)


What? Kai Allard-Liao (some champion fighting in modified mech).

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:12 PM

As I've stated pretty clearly In another thread I will never, ever fight for the Clans. They represent institutionalized repression based on genetics. Don't think the time won't come when they will want Iron Wombs for everyone regardless of caste, when freeborns will go from being 2nd class citizens to vermin slated for extermination. This is the logical progression of Eugenics based philosophy whether they admit it or not.

I'll take my Freeborn galaxy with all it's problems any day of the week over that and twice on Sundays.

The only thing I want from the Clans is some good salvage.

(That being said I might start a clan alt or two if there is a mechanism for them to become Ex Clanners. I find the story of former Clanners trying to find their way in the Inner Sphere compelling. Has there been any discussion for whether IS can become Clan by being taken as bondsmen or if Clanners can leave or be exiled from the Clans?)

(The only Clanner I'd play as dedicated would be a Clan Goilath Scorpion Seeker. For those who don't know what that is they are focused on recovering artifacts of the Star League Era and not really interested in conquering anything outside of that goal, though they also have a nasty addiciton to a product of Goilath Scorpion venom called Necrosia. For some reason this is the only Clan that has ever seemed interesting to me at all.)

(I might also consider playing a Comstar Mechwarrior.)

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:16 PM

I would want to play clan simply because of the Clan exlusive mechs like Ghost Bears - Stone Rhino. Might not be the most efficient mech, but it was f***ing awesome, and that's what Mechwarrior has been about. Big, awesome mechs tearing each other to non-recycleable scraps!

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:18 PM

View PostRhinehart, on 04 November 2011 - 02:12 PM, said:

As I've stated pretty clearly In another thread I will never, ever fight for the Clans. They represent institutionalized repression based on genetics. Don't think the time won't come when they will want Iron Wombs for everyone regardless of caste, when freeborns will go from being 2nd class citizens to vermin slated for extermination. This is the logical progression of Eugenics based philosophy whether they admit it or not.

I'll take my Freeborn galaxy with all it's problems any day of the week over that and twice on Sundays.

The only thing I want from the Clans is some good salvage.

(That being said I might start a clan alt or two if there is a mechanism for them to become Ex Clanners. I find the story of former Clanners trying to find their way in the Inner Sphere compelling. Has there been any discussion for whether IS can become Clan by being taken as bondsmen or if Clanners can leave or be exiled from the Clans?)

(The only Clanner I'd play as dedicated would be a Clan Goilath Scorpion Seeker. For those who don't know what that is they are focused on recovering artifacts of the Star League Era and not really interested in conquering anything outside of that goal, though they also have a nasty addiciton to a product of Goilath Scorpion venom called Necrosia. For some reason this is the only Clan that has ever seemed interesting to me at all.)

(I might also consider playing a Comstar Mechwarrior.)


Well, not all Clans as extreme as you describe, Clan Wolf, Ghost Bear and Star Adder for instance have always been rather open towards freeborn warriors (only Vlad Ward dropped the ball on that one).

I've got a feeling that the IS Clans are going to be become far friendlier then the homeworld Clans in this regard (with the possible exception of Clan jade Falcon).

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:19 PM

What the Clan do is just a different side of the same coin. The IS is more good than bad and overall, the caste system in the clans has been proven to be obsolete and outdated. IS stopped them and in fact has wiped out a clan in the process.....by whom you say? VICTOR STEINER DAVION!!!!!

House Davion always!!!!!!

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:30 PM

I have that romantic view that Mechwarriors are akin to knights in shining armor (kinda like the Knights of the Inner Sphere). Clanners are the root of all evil compared to a good company of IS Warriors, I just prefer being on the moral high side and staying a freebirth.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:37 PM

View Postdrogon reuak, on 04 November 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

What the Clan do is just a different side of the same coin. The IS is more good than bad and overall, the caste system in the clans has been proven to be obsolete and outdated. IS stopped them and in fact has wiped out a clan in the process.....by whom you say? VICTOR STEINER DAVION!!!!!

House Davion always!!!!!!


Pffft.. Our Crusaders are no less insane than your Cappies or Wobblies. And those Black Dragon chaps are not exactly sane in the membrane either for that matter. And do not even get me started on that slip of a girl who would glad bomb her own mother in order to get power.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:41 PM

I wouldn't mind piloting for the Warden Wolves or Wolf in Exile, but my main Clan heart are the Ghost Bears. That's assuming we're allowed more then one pilot.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:46 PM

View Postadridos, on 04 November 2011 - 01:39 PM, said:


You can be as good as it is virtually possible, but one man cant fight whole army. You will have to stick with those "scums".


Uh Kai Allard-Liao would disagree with you. Remember Twycross.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:46 PM

I have been playing as a Smoke Jaguar Cadet for the last month in MechWarrior:Living Legends. I have yet to meet a single 12 year old twitch gamer that everyone seems to be afraid of. Time will tell if we will be able to play as Clansmen, but I hope so.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:51 PM

View PostJaroth Winson, on 04 November 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:


Uh Kai Allard-Liao would disagree with you. Remember Twycross.


Im with Liao too, but I disagree with him (like I could speak to him :) ). Teamwork is better than skill and if your mech doesnt equal your skill, you dont stand a chance against fairly coordinated team. Pretty tough speak for someone using modified Centurion. :D

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 03:11 PM

View PostJaroth Winson, on 04 November 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:


Uh Kai Allard-Liao would disagree with you. Remember Twycross.


Then there is the issue of the Kell Brothers, Patrick kept an entire regiment busy during the Silver Eagle incident, and Morgan was not hit even once during the Battle of Luthien, even though a number of Nova Cats took potshots at him.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 03:22 PM

View Postadridos, on 04 November 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:


Im with Liao too, but I disagree with him (like I could speak to him :) ). Teamwork is better than skill and if your mech doesnt equal your skill, you dont stand a chance against fairly coordinated team. Pretty tough speak for someone using modified Centurion. :D


Your Centi and my trash can will curb stomp the unsuspecting *clean room* style fighting the clans use.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 03:49 PM

without the Clans the IS is doomed to go from one dark age to the next till there is nothing left, not all clans are bad though but even bad ones respect their code often enough to count on an honest agreement, which is more than what you can say about IS factions, when they are not fighting somebody else they get busy by backstabbing each other.

I hope the option of affiliating or starting as a clansman is there, it would be Ghostbear for me.

Edited by simon1812, 04 November 2011 - 03:50 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 03:54 PM

What if I like having multiply personalities depending on the mood I'm in, can't I have a clan one, and a IS one also?





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