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[Vollstrecker]

MaddMaxx, on 04 May 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

And seriously. Who is going to hire some old psycho farmer from Merc days gone by, who has spent the past "TEN" years on some Martini Barge listening to the sea birds? Seriously...?

I dunno... how long was Morgan Kell on Zaniah?

[Aelos03]

i dont know about you guys but i would like to see that all houses have some unique weaponry and mechs not much but something it will make game a lot better.

Edited by Aelos03, 04 May 2012 - 03:12 PM.

[Thomas Hogarth]

It's worth noting that the prototype Gauss is pre-3040. Which means the 3040 date is the start of production.

Basically, there is a lot of lostech that has been in continual production for a decade or more by the time the game starts. The problem isn't availability, as much as lack of confidence in the new technology. Inner sphere armies would be very skeptical of a new type of PPC that might just have problems(even if it does not) versus the older PPCs that everyone knows how to use and fix. Also, due to lack of penetration of technology, economies of scale are rather low.

Therefore, lostech should be available, but be very expensive to acquire and repair.
"but that's pay to win!" No, it's not. If anyone can buy it with CB, and it adjusts the BV(or matchmaker equivalent), then it's fine.

[Ursus_Spiritus]

Gauss Rifle
Production information
Type: Ballistic (Direct-Fire)
Tech Base
Clan Year - 2590
Inner Sphere Year - 3040
Year Introduced 2590 TH^[1]
Year Extinction 2865^[1]
Year Reintroduced 3040 FWL^[1]

Edited by 8100d 5p4tt3r, 04 May 2012 - 03:38 PM.

[Thomas Hogarth]

And the Gauss rifle prototype is in the War of 3039 Historical as a prototype from the FS. This indicates that the Gauss Prototype was in prototype and limited production before 3040.

[Vollstrecker]

Looking at things politically, you don't see most of these until after the Clan invasion as these are major battlefield advantages one nation has over another. You can bet that the producing facilities have strict contracts preventing them from selling to outside markets, you just don't want your cutting-edge technology in the hands of your enemy.

For example, the Combine jealously guarded its Omnimech technology for years after they started developing their own in 3052. It wasn't until 3067 that all of the Successor States were producing Omnimechs, even though everyone was officially "combining their efforts" against the Clans after the meeting in Outreach (and even after the re-establishment of the Star League).

There are examples of this everywhere, really.

[3Xtr3m3]

Evex, on 04 May 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Well then we both would be reading him wrong. What I'm getting is he's saying that even if the tech is available its only been out for four to sixteen years in the canonical timeline, if you go by the year 3049. I'm not even sure what makes people think were starting in 3049? I either missed some sort of announcement, or something. The only official year I see is on the IS map under media which says its 3048. Either way it takes time to manufacture the technology, and then to refit it onto existent battlemechs. So things like gauss rifle, double heat sinks, BAP, AMS and probably a few other technologies would be rare on battlemechs, since they only started reintroducing the equipment three to four years ago. I'm pretty sure most in use battlemechs out there wouldn't have the equipment.

YOU DID NOT UPDATE THE MAP TO 3049?!?!??
Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm

[Inappropriate359]

I want an Uller.

[Victor Morson]

I personally am looking forward to the idea of action alignment and such determining which rare technologies the top-tier merc units will be able to get.

You Davions can seriously keep your LBX/5. I don't want it.

[Wolf Hreda]

Interesting thing I noted a while back. This game is set to launch right around the time the Clans are first spotted in the Inner Sphere, by Phelan Kell on The Rock. August of 3049, I won't be near The Rock at launch. Screw that place.

[Wolf Hreda]

Vollstrecker, on 04 May 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

I dunno... how long was Morgan Kell on Zaniah?

15 years, I believe.

[-Ramrod-]

I have no idea what tech they will put in the game at launch. There really hasn't been a Mechwarrior game set pre-clan sense Mechwarrior 1. It would be nice to have the various ER lasers, gauss, masc, etc. But I would not be surprised if they didn't put it in at launch. Give me a new clan HAG-40 plx!


Take that back. Mechwarrior 2 Mercs started pre-clan!

Edited by Ramrod AI, 04 May 2012 - 05:21 PM.

[Maurice]

locust please

[Aelos03]

Maurice, on 04 May 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

locust please

[IIIuminaughty]

Goldhawk, on 04 May 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Okay, maybe this is too much to ask, but since according to my knowledge, we are going to be stuck with Inner Sphere tech, when the game begins at 3049ish. At the time, 98% of the Inner Sphere were using
Large Lasers
Medium Lasers
Small Lasers
AC/20
AC/10
AC/5
AC/2
LRM20
LRM15
LRM10
LRM5

But But Goldhawk where iz my LBX 10 and by Gauss rifle. I needz my gauss rifle.

IT DIDN'T EXIST.
Much of the good stuff, Beagle Active Probe, DECENT ECM, and CASE came online in the two years after the Clanners came back in town.
Seriously, can we stop talking about mechs and technologies that come out in the later years? We know there are going to be MRMs, but there is no point in saying, that you will equip your Catapult mech with them?

MW2: Mercenaries did an excellent job of making whatever technologies available at that time. The regular army does not get Gauss until 3055. Kai Allard Liao got a Gauss rifle in 3052. Why? He was elite! He turned down a Daishi so that Victor Davion and Hohiro Kurita would have equal mech platforms to work with.
When does this game start? 3049ish. When is the 1st gauss rifle seen in the Inner Sphere? Coming at them from the clan side, and the Inner Sphere was like ***.?!!!

Now lets cover it again, Inner Sphere, 3052, Gauss technologies, double heatsinks, LBX10, CASE, and a few other innovations. If you have confusion. Look at the 3050 and the 3055 technical readouts. Those will inform you of the technology of the time.

Also, Clan mechs were EXTREMELY rare to get salvaged until about 3058. Then, Operation Bulldog and Operation Serpent captured many many clan mechs so that seeing them on Inner Sphere battlefields went from 20% rare to 40% rare.

When does the Game start? 3049.

No Devistator, or make it an old varient with auto cannons. Also, that was a prototype. You have to be in good with that planet or that production company just to see it let along pilot it. Short of many of the players on this game "Finding" a Star League depot full of Star League era mechs, there are not going to be any available. Even if you pay out of pocket. All the good tech is gone.

Only Comstar and a few Kurita ELITE regiments got the good Star League mechs.

to me you made this game sound like an MMORPG... I know this game has a lot of history behind it since the first mechwarrior. But you making it seem like they're not going to put some of the popular mechs on this game. from "later" versions of mechwarrior.

That's what I got out of reading this.

[Malkenson]

Well, there IS one faction that has just loads & loads of Star League tech...
Comstar

Which may well be the Dev's faction, lol.
But we can not play as Comstar
*As far as we know*

[IIIuminaughty]

ComStar is Boss nuff said
and ComGuard..if only they was gonna be on game

[Skylarr]

TRO: 3050 is suppose to be released in 3052.

• Introduction - in-character description of the title's contents

Adept XXI-sigma Merle Jimmus, ComStar (8 February, 3052)

Just because a Technology was reintroduced does not mean it was placed in every mech by 3050. There is limited production. The Houses do not have bottomless pockets. Some would go to refit a line coming out of the factory and some would be sent to elite units.

[Vollstrecker]

One point for weapons availability. Sure, the Gauss Rifle had been prototyped and seen limited production earlier than the Clan Invasion, but if you recall from the Blood of Kerensky trilogy, Phelan had to have Natasha explain what a Gauss Rifle was.

One of the most elite units of the time with blood relation to the ruling family had no idea about the weapon. I don't anticipate us "no-names" on the fringes to see that for a long time.

[FinnMcKool]

Garth Erlam, on 04 May 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

I think what he's saying is them existing is not the same as them being usable. People seem to think that every Mechwarrior was rolling in multi-million c-bill beds.

I want that kind of bed.