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[Rejarial Galatan]

Garth Erlam, on 04 May 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Not if Paul is still here.

why the hate on the TIMBER WOLF? it IS available in 3049 and is seen on The Rock in that year, so, id imagine a wonderful mech like that would be available, and should be such, even if it IS pricey

[Arbalister]

Orzorn, on 04 May 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Oh YEAH?!



All of those are well within the timeline. It might be a little hard to get, but rare? Not so sure about that.

I was going to point the same thing out - people forget that a lot of "new" Clan tech is just old Star League tech that the Clans retained while the Successor States tore themselves apart.

[pursang]

Rejarial Galatan, on 04 May 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

why the hate on the TIMBER WOLF? it IS available in 3049 and is seen on The Rock in that year, so, id imagine a wonderful mech like that would be available, and should be such, even if it IS pricey

Not in the InnerSphere it isn't.

[Rejarial Galatan]

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Timber_Wolf I will copy the VERY FIRST LINE, for those who dont click links: The Timber Wolf is a fast heavy OmniMech. A signature design of the Clans' military might, it was arguably the first Clan OmniMech encountered by Inner Sphere forces (as opposed to periphery forces) on The Rock in 3049 by Phelan Kell.^[2][4][5]

so, yes, seen in the InnerSphere in 3049 by none other than Phelan Kell himself.

this would make it A: exceedingly RARE for IS forces to field, OR B: EXCEEDINGLY EXPENSIVE for IS forces to field in 3049

[pursang]

Rejarial Galatan, on 04 May 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Timber_Wolf I will copy the VERY FIRST LINE, for those who dont click links: The Timber Wolf is a fast heavy OmniMech. A signature design of the Clans' military might, it was arguably the first Clan OmniMech encountered by Inner Sphere forces (as opposed to periphery forces) on The Rock in 3049 by Phelan Kell.^[2][4][5]

so, yes, seen in the InnerSphere in 3049 by none other than Phelan Kell himself.

Yeah? I saw a naval destroyer in person a couple of years a go. Does that mean I should have been able to buy it then use it immediately?

[Rejarial Galatan]

IF you have the money and can commision a Northrop Grumman Shipyard to make you one, then uh YES.

As I said in a Minds Eye Theater Live Action Role Playing Game: There is absolutely NOTHING that you cannot do OR buy with out the right amount of money. All it takes is finding the persons personal price tag, and then, have at it.

Edited by Rejarial Galatan, 04 May 2012 - 08:30 PM.

[Haakon Valravn]

So if you can spare the coin and have a factory build you one, you should have a Timber Wolf?

How are you going to pull that off? All the Inner Sphere's 'Mechs and all the Inner Sphere's men couldn't build you one. There isn't the tech.

Oh, and Phelan Kell was captured shortly after seeing the Timber Wolf. No Inner Sphere force will have defeated any of the Clans by the close of 3049. At least not for long enough to escape with any ClanTech.

While there may have been some Clan 'Mechs aboard the DropShip used by the PC to escape Clan Wolf in MW2Mercs, it would have all been turned over to the FRR or ComStar or the Dracs or the FedCom governments, who would be tearing them apart to figure out how they tick, not fielding them. Anyone fielding a Clan 'Mech outside Clan space or the Deep Periphery in 3049 is just asking to be disappeared by ROM.

Edited by Haakon Valravn, 04 May 2012 - 08:37 PM.

[pursang]

Rejarial Galatan, on 04 May 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

IF you have the money and can commision a Northrop Grumman Shipyard to make you one, then uh YES.

And how many people have the money and can commission a Northrop Grumman Shipyard to make them one in under a year? How many people in the world even know what a destroyer is?

Here's a better example: A brand new, never before seen sports car concept is rolled out for the first time to the public at a local car show. It stands to reason that most people in the world have never seen this sports car before. Should it then become widely produced and available all over the world overnight?

Is this starting to sink in, yet? The Timber Wolf is that concept sports car that only a very few people even know about, much less have seen themselves.

Edited by pursang, 04 May 2012 - 08:40 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Haakon Valravn, on 04 May 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

So if you can spare the coin and have a factory build you one, you should have a Timber Wolf?

How are you going to pull that off? All the Inner Sphere's 'Mechs and all the Inner Sphere's men couldn't build you one. There isn't the tech.

Oh, and Phelan Kell was captured shortly after seeing the Timber Wolf. No Inner Sphere force will have defeated any of the Clans by the close of 3049. At least not for long enough to escape with any ClanTech.

While there may have been some Clan 'Mechs aboard the DropShip used by the PC to escape Clan Wolf in MW2Mercs, it would have all been turned over to the FRR or ComStar or the Dracs or the FedCom governments, who would be tearing them apart to figure out how they tick, not fielding them. Anyone fielding a Clan 'Mech outside Clan space or the Deep Periphery in 3049 is just asking to be disappeared by ROM.

Considering I am Draconis Combine UNTIL i can play AS Clan Wolf, it would stand to reason that if the Combine has access to said tech, they can start fielding it.

[pursang]

Rejarial Galatan, on 04 May 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Considering I am Draconis Combine UNTIL i can play AS Clan Wolf, it would stand to reason that if the Combine has access to said tech, they can start fielding it.

No, it does not stand to reason that DCMS forces can suddenly field Clan 'Mechs. Modern military organizations do no immediately disseminate new and unknown technology that has been captured from their enemy. Reality doesn't work that way.

Edited by pursang, 04 May 2012 - 08:45 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

never gonna convince me that the CHANCE to get my hands on a timber wolf before we hit 2013 is 0% even if its a 1% chance, I will live and die by that hope. Everyone else is getting the mechs they want. IS mechs are beyond limited, style wise and well, loadout wise. I want clan omnimechs and you will never stomp that hope from me.

pursang, on 04 May 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

No, it does not stand to reason that DCMS forces can suddenly field Clan 'Mechs. Military organizations do no immediately disseminate new and unknown technology that has been captured from their enemy. Reality doesn't work that way.

this game aint reality, its bloody fiction. so, reality works how ever PAUL says it does, but considering the vast hate for such a POWERFUL and EXCELLENT warmachine, its gonna be boring until clan play can be accessed or until clan tech can be fielded, in terms of mechs. My hope will never die, you shall never kill the flame of hope that burns in me.

[Dmitri Valenov]

Goldhawk, on 04 May 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Fact check incomplete

Not to rebuff your entire tirade, but I'm pretty sure a lot of lostech was recovered around 3039 with the Helm memory core. Sure, we probably won't get Artemis IV, ER Lasers, or Streak SRMs, but we won't be stuck with just vanilla gear either.... just sayin.

[pursang]

Rejarial Galatan, on 04 May 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

never gonna convince me that the CHANCE to get my hands on a timber wolf before we hit 2013 is 0% even if its a 1% chance, I will live and die by that hope. Everyone else is getting the mechs they want. IS mechs are beyond limited, style wise and well, loadout wise. I want clan omnimechs and you will never stomp that hope from me.


this game aint reality, its bloody fiction. so, reality works how ever PAUL says it does, but considering the vast hate for such a POWERFUL and EXCELLENT warmachine, its gonna be boring until clan play can be accessed or until clan tech can be fielded, in terms of mechs. My hope will never die, you shall never kill the flame of hope that burns in me.

Ugh. There is just no hope for you.



Next thing you're going to tell me is that you believe that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny exists.

[Ramble]

Which is more logical to the game -

To start with basic 3025 technologies but able to earn and unlock the advanced weapons straight away.
OR
To have everyone stuck on the basic weapons and equipment till Jan 1 2013/3050 when suddenly every factory opens its doors and everyone can buy from this range of new toys with no shipping costs or faction dependance.

The answer for me is neither, but it is a game, its logic has to follow game logic.

People have claimed the Developers have stated that the game will try to be true to the TT game, and that the designs and weapon/equipment will not be faction dependant.

IF that is true, then like the TT game, we can expect they will not bow to every peice of flavor text in every novel or even the backstory in TROs. IIRC the Warhammer in the 3050TRO claims a production rate of about 12 per year. The random deployment tables could roll that model for TT matches easily more than 12 times in 3050. The game is not served by adherance to fluff and even logic at the expense of balance and fun play.

Those weapons people have listed from the Techmanual are era available in the tabletop game. After that year, you may field them on mech designs in play. No rule against it.

While it would be nice if the factions could have specific weapons and technologies, the sheer number of factions in BT would make that a juggling act to keep fair and balanced, even had the developers position on following the TT game makes shuffling the technologies by faction impossible.

I personally would have liked to see this start in 3045 and double the pace to 1day=2day and drop the new technologies more slowly. But starting in mid 3049, when the clans were in the periphery facing IS forces in mid 3049, stalling deployment on well established Starleague weapons now before dumping the full clan weapon list into the game next year... not a game design choice I would be comfortable with.

[FireStorm2]

Rejarial Galatan, on 04 May 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Considering I am Draconis Combine UNTIL i can play AS Clan Wolf, it would stand to reason that if the Combine has access to said tech, they can start fielding it.

It took years before the Combine (or anyone else in the IS) was able to produce omni-mechs, and the ones they finally produced were still limited to Inner Sphere technology in terms of important systems.

You can have the cheap knockoff in 3055 or so, but it's not even an omnimech.

Certainly there were a very small number of Clan mechs which were salvaged eventually, although within the first year or two I doubt there were many at all. Even later on I'd expect there to be so few that only heads of state would be piloting them or handing them out personally, and even that would be a waste of resources that would far better be put to use in reverse engineering the tech.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Timber Wolf: First Introduced in 2945. While, yes, in 3049 the mech <Timber Wolf> is exceedingly rare, as the clan invasion was ramping up, so was production. Even if I cant GET one in 3049, I want to SEE one at the very least. IF I gotta wait till the 1yr mark of the game to PILOT one, I will, not quietly, but, I will. And to have such legands as Picard and Riker Face Palm me? You just gave me the highest honor I could hope for today. Thank you.

Fire§torm, on 04 May 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

It took years before the Combine (or anyone else in the IS) was able to produce omni-mechs, and the ones they finally produced were still limited to Inner Sphere technology in terms of important systems.

You can have the cheap knockoff in 3055 or so, but it's not even an omnimech.

Certainly there were a very small number of Clan mechs which were salvaged eventually, although within the first year or two I doubt there were many at all. Even later on I'd expect there to be so few that only heads of state would be piloting them or handing them out personally, and even that would be a waste of resources that would far better be put to use in reverse engineering the tech.

Then lets make the Italians buy cheap knock offs of Enzo's dream child shall we?

[ClockworkJester]

No, what you are asking the community to do is ridiculous. I want to play this game the way I want to play it.

I will be piloting a Daichi with all the bells and whistles straight off the bat, and it will have time travel capabilities, an engine capable of reaching mach 12, an energy shield of some sort, laser swords, 2 GN drives- no, 28 GN drives, the ability to transform into a truck and automatically retracting cup holders and if the devs don't put all this in the game I will sit in the corner and cry with my Gundam toys clutched to my chest.

[Haakon Valravn]

What if we get to 2013 and there is still no Timber Wolf, hmm?

In any case, a single Clan 'Mech is virtually useless in the field compared to the knowledge that can come from dissecting it and having your brightest engineers look at it. A single Clan 'Mech would also be beyond value. There would be no amount of money too much to pay for it. And every single goverment and defense industry corporation would kill to acquire it.

And if you think that IS 'Mechs are boring... Get off my internets.

[Rejarial Galatan]

I cut my teeth as Clan Wolf, NOT as a freebirth. I am blooded to the clans, not the innersphere. My loyalties are to Clan Wolf, till then, I work for the DCMS.

[pursang]

ClockworkJester, on 04 May 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

No, what you are asking the community to do is ridiculous. I want to play this game the way I want to play it.

I will be piloting a Daichi with all the bells and whistles straight off the bat, and it will have time travel capabilities, an engine capable of reaching mach 12, an energy shield of some sort, laser swords, 2 GN drives- no, 28 GN drives, the ability to transform into a truck and automatically retracting cup holders and if the devs don't put all this in the game I will sit in the corner and cry with my Gundam toys clutched to my chest.

I don't know what a "Daichi" is, but it sounds amazing. I now wish to subscribe to your newsletter.