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[ROJ]

I dont get it, I am running on 260 STD Engine but I manage to get 84 something KPH, not more... People are claiming 90 KPH or relevant..

As a side note... I went back to the brawler variant for the 4SP:

5x mls
2x srm6

Good deal of fire power..

[Sycis]

ROJ, on 17 May 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

I dont get it, I am running on 260 STD Engine but I manage to get 84 something KPH, not more... People are claiming 90 KPH or relevant..

As a side note... I went back to the brawler variant for the 4SP:

5x mls
2x srm6

Good deal of fire power..

Well that's because people are unlocking their speed tween to boast their mechs speed by about ten percent.

[ROJ]

Sycis, on 17 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Well that's because people are unlocking their speed tween to boast their mechs speed by about ten percent.

I was actually going through that as you were posting but thanks anyways.. I need that speed tweak, even though it is doing great with 84kph... You can catch up with lights and give assaults a difficult time..

I am loving the 4SP, i find it hard to swap to another mech..

Edited by ROJ, 17 May 2013 - 01:07 PM.

[Sycis]

Oh speed tweak is so beautiful. You're absolutly right on that. I can run my 4h with devastating results with all the efficiencies unlocked. On quite a few runs I can do upward to 700 plus damage.

Edited by Sycis, 17 May 2013 - 01:12 PM.

[ROJ]

I want to go for ballistic hunchback as my next step, even though I am waiting for the new blackjack..

Not sure if 4H or 4G

Edited by ROJ, 17 May 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[Dan Baxter]

Go with the 4H, the hunch is smaller and is less likely to get shot off (IIRC).

[Wildstreak]

I am still 50/50 on engine, I like the speed of the 200 engine probably due to my time getting comfortable with my Awesomes' speed and whenever I try fast Mechs like Lights, I just don't like it. I have tried 250 but it still gives me problems running the right speed in fights.

I should never have flipped a coin choosing my third Hunchback between the 4J and 4P, I cannot stand the 4P at all. Once I get to unlock Master, I am dumping it, it has to be the hardest Mech I have owned and my W/L + K/D ratios are the worst. All ML doesn't run well, 3LL no good, 2LL +2ML no good, best is LL + 6ML and still.....

Edited by Merchant, 17 May 2013 - 04:36 PM.

[Spheroid]

Merchant, on 17 May 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

I cannot stand the 4P at all. Once I get to unlock Master, I am dumping it, it has to be the hardest Mech I have owned and my W/L + K/D ratios are the worst. All ML doesn't run well, 3LL no good, 2LL +2ML no good, best is LL + 6ML and still.....

Don't give up on the 4P, it is just a matter of taming the heat. Massed medium lasers destroy anything. Are you running a 250+ engine? http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f9ef49064b9acea

[SchwarzerPeter]

Spheroid, on 17 May 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Don't give up on the 4P, it is just a matter of taming the heat. Massed medium lasers destroy anything. Are you running a 250+ engine? http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f9ef49064b9acea

You have 0.5t left, better drop the BAP and put an 260 plus an addidional ML in there: HBK-4P

Pretty standard, but absolute devasting. If you drop the AMS you can put the 18th DHS in there but you end up with 0.44 unused tonnage.

The only drawback of this build is the limited range, you must engage at least to 400m. But with the fast engine (plus speedtweak its not that hard).

[Spheroid]

SchwarzerPeter, on 18 May 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

You have 0.5t left, better drop the BAP and put an 260 plus an addidional ML in there: HBK-4P

Pretty standard, but absolute devasting. If you drop the AMS you can put the 18th DHS in there but you end up with 0.44 unused tonnage.

The only drawback of this build is the limited range, you must engage at least to 400m. But with the fast engine (plus speedtweak its not that hard).

I keep it exactly .5 underweight so that I can swap equipment in seconds The difference from max armor to max round number armor is almost nothing. Remember they are buffing the BAP soon so the 4P is a good test platform. I do already have a 260 but I am using it more in my Jager right now.

Edited by Spheroid, 18 May 2013 - 09:01 AM.

[ROJ]

You need the speed of the 260 engine in the HBK, as it makes it a very effective mech especially with the default 4SP armaments..

Otherwise, strap some LRMS and ER Laser on that and use it as a support mech, I found it very inefficient doing 60-70 KPH in close range combat, small mechs and assaults with take you down..

When I had the basic 200 engine, I filled my HBK with LRMs and was very useful speeding up the kills for my team but It wont earn you any decent scoring..

Regarding the 4P, double heat sinks, I assume should solve your worries...

This is bro-science, based on my experience..


A little off topic, I am seeing a trend of more people getting the Trebuchet lately, which feels like a more nimble mech compared to the Hunchback. Though, I still feel the HBK is more robust..

Edited by ROJ, 18 May 2013 - 12:17 PM.

[Wildstreak]

Well, here is the 4P I run now, it feels better though I am not sure if I rate it as good as my 4H but it 'feels' like one with the large Energy 'Ballistic' weapon. Might move the AMS ammo to the head, dump CASE and a half ton of armor for another DHS but the ML in the head gives 2 if the RT is blown out.

Tried a PPC version for a few matches, I still suck with the PPC and sure enough first match I go into, I get missiled to death.

[Shuyen]

I've just started playing HBK's after a long run with JM6's and SDR's. So far I've got a J and an SP. The SP is really fun, but it's hard as heck to keep them cooled off, even with DHS's. My SP has:

• 14 DHS
  
• Endo
  
• Standard Armor
  
• XL 245 (an engine I kept from a SDR build I sold off to make space, gives a nice top speed to the HBK )
  
• ERPPC
  
• 3 MPL
  
• AMS
  
• TAG
  
• 2 LRM's (I replaced the SRM's as I was just running to hot when the fighting came up close, and the LRM's let me contribute a bit more on the mid to long range stuff).

So far it's been really fun. I've come out of a couple fights wondering how in the world I was still alive...HBK's just somehow absorb damage like a sponge! Except for the rear. Paper. Thin. Rear. Armor. Dang!!

[ROJ]

I am running with the 4H now.. I really dislike this mech, even though it opens doors for training on ballistic weapons.. I really is not a flexible variant like the 4SP.. I find it best suited for mid or long range, which somehow defeats the purpose of a HBK, specially when properly upgraded...

Edited by ROJ, 20 May 2013 - 04:38 AM.

[Shuyen]

ROJ, on 20 May 2013 - 04:38 AM, said:

I am running with the 4H now.. I really dislike this mech, even though it opens doors for training on ballistic weapons.. I really is not a flexible variant like the 4SP.. I find it best suited for mid or long range, which somehow defeats the purpose of a HBK, specially when properly upgraded...

Yeah, I think the reputation of Hunchies as brawlers may be overstated in alot of ways. It's easy to forget that it's just a 50t mech. Sure, the setup everyone knows with the AC/20 is made for up close and personal, but it's still just a 50t ,mech, with moderate armor, in the grand scheme of things. If one enemy heavy or assault decides to punch your ticket, it's going to get punched. So it requires smart play to play to be successful, IMHO, and really needs to be used as part of a team strategy. Cowboying up and charging in with a HBK makes for a short game.

Again, all in my humble opinion.

[Wildstreak]

ROJ, on 20 May 2013 - 04:38 AM, said:

I am running with the 4H now.. I really dislike this mech, even though it opens doors for training on ballistic weapons.. I really is not a flexible variant like the 4SP.. I find it best suited for mid or long range, which somehow defeats the purpose of a HBK, specially when properly upgraded...

HBKs should have 1 long range weapons with the 4SP being an exception by players though it could mount LRMs instead.
This is due to the addition of larger maps.
I find having 1 good mid to long range weapon on HBKs a plus.
I believe the 4H is better for AC/10 or LBX than AC/20.

[NRP]

I picked up the 4H on sale. It's my first Hunchback. So far, I like it. It's very challenging to brawl with a slow 50T mech, but my AC/20 + 5 ML combo can definitely deliver, damage-wise. It's just up to me to use proper positioning and make good decisions. I'll probably pick two other variants to unlock the elite efficiencies.

[ROJ]

NRP, on 20 May 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

I picked up the 4H on sale. It's my first Hunchback. So far, I like it. It's very challenging to brawl with a slow 50T mech, but my AC/20 + 5 ML combo can definitely deliver, damage-wise. It's just up to me to use proper positioning and make good decisions. I'll probably pick two other variants to unlock the elite efficiencies.

The HBK starts to stand out once you unlock its basic inefficiencies, get double heat-sinks and a 260 engine; then it is a very dependable & durable mech..

Though its a 50 ton like some mentioned here and sometimes you get too excited and start piloting it like a very nimble heavy mech, which is not a good idea.

Its a great brawler, wingman and escort mech for assaults.

Edited by ROJ, 20 May 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[Shuyen]

ROJ, on 20 May 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Though its a 50 ton like some mentioned here and sometimes you get too excited and start piloting it like a very nimble heavy mech, which is not a good idea.

Exactly! I get a little too frisky sometimes with my HBK's, since I am so new to them, and am quickly made to pay the price.

[Gremlich Johns]

HBK-4G

HBK-4SP

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 24 May 2013 - 02:30 PM.