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[anonymous175]

They should use ECM on this forum.

[DrBunji]

Oh what in the name of **** were they thinking here? Well, I guess its just to roll a Jenner or stop playing then?

[aelfkins]

p00k, on 27 November 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

You cannot achieve any missile locks.

It seems to me, that sentence means that YOU, the user of the ECM cannot achieve a missile lock.
IE no spotting for LRMs, or targeting lock for your own LRMs or Streaks.

Not that the user of ECM is impervious to a hostile missile lock.

[Solis Obscuri]

Aegis Kleais, on 27 November 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

Personally, I think moving the weapon's health from 10 to 3 is too far (5/6 will probably be better), but having such a heavy weapon bite the dust too often (especially if getting smacked around by LRMs which delivery their damage fully at long ranges as well as other counter snipers), could be frustrating

inorite? It might be almost as vulnerable as an AC/20 or AC/10 now!

[p00k]

aelfkins, on 27 November 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

It seems to me, that sentence means that YOU, the user of the ECM cannot achieve a missile lock.
IE no spotting for LRMs, or targeting lock for your own LRMs or Streaks.

Not that the user of ECM is impervious to a hostile missile lock.

not quite, if you read a bit above where it says that...

Quote

When your Mech is disrupted by an enemy ECM:

• You cannot achieve any missile locks.

[Alex Wolfe]

p00k, on 27 November 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

it's not the lrm immunity that gets me. it's really not even the ssrm immunity. really, it's the ssrm immunity WITH the the awful netcode.

I'm not even using either of the guided missiles.

What gets me, is that Jenner D is the most powerful config of the most powerful light mech in the game, people complain it obsoletes mechs current and likely future (seriously - what else could you want from a light, combat-wise?)... then PGI announce they want to BUFF it.

It shows total disconnection from the game, which goes in line with some other baffling balancing decisions (guided missile buffs, gauss, Catapults as a whole, Cataphract 4X stealing Jagermech's thunder), and makes me worried for the future .

Seriously, game balance problems of "one to rule them all" aside, it's like they don't even want us to buy/use any future mechs...

Edited by Alex Wolfe, 27 November 2012 - 04:39 PM.

[Solis Obscuri]

aelfkins, on 27 November 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

It seems to me, that sentence means that YOU, the user of the ECM cannot achieve a missile lock.
IE no spotting for LRMs, or targeting lock for your own LRMs or Streaks.

Not that the user of ECM is impervious to a hostile missile lock.

The user of the ECM and any allied 'mech within 180m or the user will be impervious to missile locks.

[hornet331]

aelfkins, on 27 November 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

It seems to me, that sentence means that YOU, the user of the ECM cannot achieve a missile lock.
IE no spotting for LRMs, or targeting lock for your own LRMs or Streaks.

Not that the user of ECM is impervious to a hostile missile lock.

No it means exactly that, any enemy mech that inside the bubble of your ECM cant lock on missiles on you.

[Kobold]

aelfkins, on 27 November 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

It seems to me, that sentence means that YOU, the user of the ECM cannot achieve a missile lock.
IE no spotting for LRMs, or targeting lock for your own LRMs or Streaks.

Not that the user of ECM is impervious to a hostile missile lock.

That section was discussing what happens to you when you are inside enemy ECM (as in, you in your Catapult, and a mean ol' Jenner runs up on you).

[One Medic Army]

Solis Obscuri, on 27 November 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

The user of the ECM and any allied 'mech within 180m or the user will be impervious to missile locks.

Nope.
To be affected a mech must be within 180m.
Meaning you can LRM or SSRM a mech all day that has ECM, so long as you're outside of the 180m ECM bubble it projects.

[Kaijin]

One Medic Army, on 27 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Nope.
To be affected a mech must be within 180m.
Meaning you can LRM or SSRM a mech all day that has ECM, so long as you're outside of the 180m ECM bubble it projects.

Except it'll take twice as long to lock it.

[Solis Obscuri]

One Medic Army, on 27 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Nope.
To be affected a mech must be within 180m.
Meaning you can LRM or SSRM a mech all day that has ECM, so long as you're outside of the 180m ECM bubble it projects.

Except you can't target them at all unless you or an ally are within 200m and outside 180m (except maybe if you or an ally use TAG and are within 450m).

[BL00D RAVEN]

wish that all of the raven variants could get ecm

[DeadlyNerd]

lol jenners, fodder for my ultraAC5/AC5. Can't wait for this to come out, gonna lick that atlases *** if it's required to keep him in my vicinity.

[MayGay]

tag should still work for LRMs as it is not affected by ECM, they are just laser guided missiles

[Alexander Joe Eisenkreuz Steiner]

Yeah, this is really sad. Why did they bother to put the Raven in the game anyway? Taking one pretty pointless now. And if they don't fix the netcode and reintroduce collisions Jenners will be close to unstoppable. And the are pretty broken already.

[p00k]

One Medic Army, on 27 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

To be affected a mech must be within 180m.
Meaning you can LRM or SSRM a mech all day that has ECM, so long as you're outside of the 180m ECM bubble it projects.

with as much cover as most maps offer, no jenner should ever take significant damage from lrm's. i take minimal damage from them in an atlas most matches just by being cognizant of where i'm going
ssrms on the other hand, only work at 270m. which means you have a 90m window to fire them off. against a jenner going 149kph, 90m doesn't last very long; even if you have someone else spotting him so you already have a lock as soon as he hits 270, you'll get 1 alpha strike off before he closes within 180

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

It's also wildly more powerful than the BAP. The BAP looks like a hunk of junk that barely got any attention while they put all their creative power into the ECM. ECM will also soon be the main counter to the OP Streak stackers... which should not be how the game is played. ECM shouldn't stop any close range locking; just nerf the Streaks directly. Why do they insist on breaking one thing to "fix" another?

[Asmosis]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 27 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

Why BAP will not work against ECM?Its supposed to work like that in TT ...

I would say because most streakcats use it now to shoot people who power down.

[hornet331]

Bluten, on 27 November 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

It's also wildly more powerful than the BAP. The BAP looks like a hunk of junk that barely got any attention while they put all their creative power into the ECM. ECM will also soon be the main counter to the OP Streak stackers... which should not be how the game is played. ECM shouldn't stop any close range locking; just nerf the Streaks directly. Why do they insist on breaking one thing to "fix" another?

How about look at the chassis before nerfing streak for every other mech, its the same BS they do with the gauss.. guys, guys we balance gauss we make it ultra fragile, once armor is striped its gona explode.... herp derp... only that on a gauss cat the RT/LT practically never die and you either get CT cored or pitted.

Its the catapult itself not the weapons, the cat has insane torso twist arcs, is quite nimble and in lore its a long range fire support mech, so I wonder why I has to be so agile and such a wide torso arc... guess what would happen if you suddenly have only 180° on the cat+ sluggish movement, suddenly lights have no problems taking on a gauss cat or a streak cat.

But yeah keep nerfing weapons and make them unusable for every other chassis, sure gona enjoy all the exploding gauss rifels on atlases.