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[Teralitha]

JPsi, on 30 November 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Iff I get more C-Bills for prolonging a fight instead of an early win, what should I do?

You still can win early. Cbill reward will be entirely dependant on your performance, not how long the match lasts.

Anything else?

Edited by Teralitha, 30 November 2012 - 05:24 AM.

[Chrithu]

A solution to the problem of killing 7 then capping being the most effective way CBillwise could be this:

The reward for capping is multiplied with the number of mechs in the enemy team that still live to reflect that your team used better tactics than them. If I did nothing wrong this should result in capping being nearly as desireable as killing the whole opposing team and then cap.

Edited by Jason Parker, 30 November 2012 - 05:33 AM.

[JPsi]

Teralitha, on 30 November 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

You still can win early. Cbill reward will be entirely dependant on your performance, not how long the match lasts.

Anything else?

No, as iff an early win via capping means less kills, it rewards me delaying/forgoing a win to secure extra kills/assists.

The most important factor should be the team performance, not the individual performance. Its a team game and should be treated as such.

Under the current proposal, any behaviour that is sacrificial to an individuals score, yet would contribute towards winning is discouraged. There is more to the game than just simply kills/assists, damage and a cap score. They are often inaccurate measures of performance, relying on them to generate the income is not a great idea.

Edited by JPsi, 30 November 2012 - 05:45 AM.

[Teralitha]

Jason Parker, on 30 November 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

A solution to the problem of killing 7 then capping being the most effective way CBillwise could be this:

The reward for capping is multiplied with the number of mechs in the enemy team that still live to reflect that your team used better tactics than them. If I did nothing wrong this should result in capping being nearly as desireable as killing the whole opposing team and then cap.

Thats a whole different issue sir... in a different topic. http://mwomercs.com/...62#entry1508762

[AndyHill]

WoT isn't completely devoid of griefers and botters, but their method of giving a score multiplier instead of a flat bonus for win / loss makes botting less effective. Many times zero is still zero. Otherwise, consistent suiciding or afking should be so simple to extract from match stats that PGI could quite easily just autodetect and ban them en masse.

[JPsi]

AndyHill, on 30 November 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

WoT isn't completely devoid of griefers and botters, but their method of giving a score multiplier instead of a flat bonus for win / loss makes botting less effective. Many times zero is still zero. Otherwise, consistent suiciding or afking should be so simple to extract from match stats that PGI could quite easily just autodetect and ban them en masse.

Kinda my point exactly, there is just no need for this oversimplistic and counterproductive proposal. Yes the economy could do with tweaks. This however? no.

[ciller]

If anyone finds this game to be a "grind" then maybe they shouldn't play, especially if they need to resort to cheating to get ahead. The game is fun and awesome and shouldn't be a grind for anyone. I want to play match after match!

Anyways, my solution!!
I really hope they make matches based on your stats. That way, the exploiters that have a 0.05 KDR (from all the suicide farming) would have to fight only each other all day. If all the exploiters only fought each other it would leave the rest of us in peace to play like adults. Even the worst normal player would have a much better KDR and should be in the normal pool.


Also, Teralitha, I get what your saying despite having a trollish air about your first post. It just doesn't help anyone being so negative. Constructive criticism without accusations would be more helpful and would actually pull more people to your point of view.
As far as I see it both sides are right. PGI could tweak their system a bit so it seems like you are always rewarded (mask the grind) but we really should not tolerate people who exploit the system despite the system not being perfect. If this was starving people taking food from the system to survive maybe not but this is a game and people shouldn't ruin it just because they feel entitled.

Edited by ciller, 30 November 2012 - 06:01 AM.

[Teralitha]

JPsi, on 30 November 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Kinda my point exactly, there is just no need for this oversimplistic and counterproductive proposal.
Yes the economy could do with tweaks. This however? no.

Your starting to annoy me JPsi with your deliberate trolling. You are just arguing me for the sake of arguing and contributing nothing to discussion. If you have an actual explaination of why my solution is counterproductivem lets hear it. However my money is on you just being a troll trying to aggravate me on purpose.

[Chrithu]

Teralitha, on 30 November 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

Thats a whole different issue sir... in a different topic. http://mwomercs.com/...62#entry1508762

Yeah. Still it is JPsis main argument against your propoasal and I was trying to point out that this could easily be fixed.

[N0MAD]

Frankly sick of hearing about a bad economy and THE GRIND...Farmers in this game is just fail.
Grind what grind? this is not a fantasy MMO where you goto go around collecting wealth, there are no misions.quests or dungeons. You get in a Mech and you go out there and kill Mechs, PvP. Ya you need cash to buy R&R and eventually new mechs but what the hell is the Hurry. Each Drop you get beter in the mech, and will eventually enhance your mech, buy others.
If by grind you mean going out there and fighting your fellow pilots then its not your game, MW is a pvp game where killing other mechs is ALL there is. Your stats bother you? keep playing and not suiciding farming that God mech and your stats will get much beter even without your God mech. Ive played the F2P mechs ive made money on them and im a very ordinary player.
Ok i didnt make enough to by a God mech in the couple days i played them but hey ina week i could of bought a decent Med Mech, ohhh wait a week to long? Grind? geezus get over it.

[JPsi]

Teralitha, on 30 November 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

Your starting to annoy me JPsi with your deliberate trolling. You are just arguing me for the sake of arguing and contributing nothing to discussion. If you have an actual explaination of why my solution is counterproductivem lets hear it. However my money is on you just being a troll trying to aggravate me on purpose.

I already have repeatedly. I'm not trolling, should I quote myself again here? please read my comments (I've edited a few times) in full. I'll refrain from saying any more besides, read my posts in full, think about them and stop accusing me of not reading and trolling. You have yet to respond to several of the points I've raised except with vague responses or insults towards me (accusations of being on drugs etc.). I've yet to insult or imply insult upon you, please do extend the same courtesy.

Iff you'd like further clarification of what I've said, I'll happily attempt to clarify. My interest is in seeing this game grow and improve also. Its also possible I haven't stated it clearly enough and I apologise iff thats also the case.

Edited by JPsi, 30 November 2012 - 06:19 AM.

[Chrithu]

N0MAD, on 30 November 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

Frankly sick of hearing about a bad economy and THE GRIND...Farmers in this game is just fail.
Grind what grind? this is not a fantasy MMO where you goto go around collecting wealth, there are no misions.quests or dungeons. You get in a Mech and you go out there and kill Mechs, PvP. Ya you need cash to buy R&R and eventually new mechs but what the hell is the Hurry. Each Drop you get beter in the mech, and will eventually enhance your mech, buy others.
If by grind you mean going out there and fighting your fellow pilots then its not your game, MW is a pvp game where killing other mechs is ALL there is. Your stats bother you? keep playing and not suiciding farming that God mech and your stats will get much beter even without your God mech. Ive played the F2P mechs ive made money on them and im a very ordinary player.
Ok i didnt make enough to by a God mech in the couple days i played them but hey ina week i could of bought a decent Med Mech, ohhh wait a week to long? Grind? geezus get over it.

Sorry I know this is cheap but still: Having guys on premium time and possibly piloting mainly their founders jenner talking about how there is NO grind involved is almost insulting. Now that the button is there just try earning money in your owned heavy and assault mech while not being in your team (aka while pugging) and then come back here and tell me there's no grind.

[Teralitha]

Jason Parker, on 30 November 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

Yeah. Still it is JPsis main argument against your propoasal and I was trying to point out that this could easily be fixed.

Oh thats cute, arguing with me on 2 accounts both having ZERO points to discuss. I pegged you buddy, your just trying to fight against me because you are one of the exploiters.

Jason Parker... JPsi.. what does that means... Jason Parkers sisters account? how pathetic you are.

Edited by Teralitha, 30 November 2012 - 06:23 AM.

[JPsi]

Teralitha, on 30 November 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

Oh thats cute, arguing with me on 2 accounts both having ZERO points to discuss. I pegged you buddy, your just trying to fight against me because you are one of the exploiters.

Jason Parker... JPsi.. what does that means... Jason Parkers sisters account? how pathetic you are.

Thats not an alt of mine. My name is a shortening of J/Psi the name of a certain particles excited state. Also assuming any admin is willing and the other person who'm you are accusing do not object, I even have no issue with admins performing an IP check to verify said matter. As you've just now accused me again of deliberately attempting to attack you personally. I still don't have anything personal against you, my issue is with your proposal. Again, you have ignored the points raised and are instead attacking me.

Another note, if I'm one of those exploiters, why would I be arguing for them all to be banned and have stated so already in this thread repeatedly?

Edited by JPsi, 30 November 2012 - 06:36 AM.

[N0MAD]

Beleive what you like, about what i pilot or not, i have and do play F2P mechs mostly to see what the ******** is about. Hate Lag shield Jenners btw. I enjoy the game i pilot most of the mechs and like i said im pretty ordinary, im not in a Clan or unit but i do play with a mate as often as i can we are a premade of 2 otherwise its strictly Pugs. Ive played this game since MW2 so obviously ima fan but grind your kidding me.

[MrPenguin]

Garrand, on 30 November 2012 - 01:43 AM, said:

Considering how easy it is to generate C-bills by actually playing the game, and the valuable piloting experience you get at the same time, no, these players SHOULD be punished. There is nothing wrong with the cbill grind. This is from a 100% F2P player, I had no issues earning C-bills playing the way it was intended for you to play. The only change should be that you can only have one mech launched at a time, this would eliminate most of the incentive currently present.

I'm a 100% free player as well and I approve this.

[Chrithu]

Teralitha, on 30 November 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

Oh thats cute, arguing with me on 2 accounts both having ZERO points to discuss. I pegged you buddy, your just trying to fight against me because you are one of the exploiters.

Jason Parker... JPsi.. what does that means... Jason Parkers sisters account? how pathetic you are.

Dude you're a moron.

Edited by Jason Parker, 30 November 2012 - 06:28 AM.

[Wired]

Sooooo the mods SHOULDN'T Be removing griefers from the game? Ok then.

GTFUNKO, Op.

Edited by Wired, 30 November 2012 - 06:32 AM.

[Teralitha]

JPsi, on 30 November 2012 - 06:24 AM, said:

Thats not an alt of mine. My name is a shortening of J/Psi the name of a certain particles excited state. Also assuming any admin is willing and the other person who'm you are accusing do not object, I even have no issue with admins performing an IP check to verify said matter. As you've just now accused me again of deliberately attempting to attack you personally. I still don't have anything personal against you, my issue is with your proposal. Again, you have ignored the points raised and are instead attacking me.

Another note, iff I'm one of those exploiters, why would I be arguing for them all to be banned and have stated so already in this thread repeatedly?

My proposal is troll proof, griefer proof, suicider proof, team killer proof, afker proof, trial mech grind proof, and makes many many people happy. What you got against that? Seriously what do you have against a positive change to the economic model? You havent posted anything yet resembling an actual argument against it. I answered everyone of stupid your questions without losing my patience. I know you are just trying to troll me. Go back to your caves.

[Chrithu]

N0MAD, on 30 November 2012 - 06:24 AM, said:

Beleive what you like, about what i pilot or not, i have and do play F2P mechs mostly to see what the ******** is about. Hate Lag shield Jenners btw. I enjoy the game i pilot most of the mechs and like i said im pretty ordinary, im not in a Clan or unit but i do play with a mate as often as i can we are a premade of 2 otherwise its strictly Pugs. Ive played this game since MW2 so obviously ima fan but grind your kidding me.

So being forced to get two other cat variants (= 11 mil CBills) in order to get elite on my C1, while making just 20k per match on average in said C1 because I DO actually repair and rearm after each match on those expensive Artemis LRMs and that XL Engine, because I like XL engines, because I want my mechs fast AND deadly, is not a grind?

That's 550 matches. Playing about 10 matches a day that's 55 days until I am done with that. And that's not counting the matches I have to spend piloting mechs I wouldn't want to pilot if I wasn't forced to do so in order to get those elite skills unlocked.

For me this is indeed a grind.

And don't you dare coming around telling me I shouldn't use Artemis or XL or abuse the 75% free rearm. I want to play the mech the way I like it even though it does involve the grind. This way I have at least fun along the way. Still I wouldn't mind if that way was shorter.