114 replies to this topic

[Krivvan]

Sifright, on 02 December 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

No i mean, we can still engineer 8 man groups to play on the same side vs pugs.

When you sync it up yes, but you're just as likely to end up on opposite teams.

[Armorpiercer M82]

we need this:

option 1
premades 4-8 vs premades 4-8 (the rest is filled with pugs, IF THEY WANT TO)

option 2
pugs vs pugs ONLY.


ill go only option 2. thx

[Zero Neutral]

These threads make me laugh.

WAHHH ONLY NOOBS SHOULD FIGHT NOOBS WAHHH

[Armorpiercer M82]

Zero Neutral, on 02 December 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

These threads make me laugh.

we will eliminate one day stupid premades like you, and then it will be fun again.

Zero Neutral, on 02 December 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

These threads make me laugh.

WAHHH ONLY NOOBS SHOULD FIGHT NOOBS WAHHH

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Edited by Chris K, 03 December 2012 - 09:22 AM.
offensive

[Naeron66]

Tinhead, on 02 December 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

And solo players can mean 8 solo players

omg Fail

Been solo pugging the last 2 days, still maintaing a >1 K/D ratio and a high W/L ratio.

The truth is that solo players do not run into premades that often, and when Phase 2 arrives it will become less common. You are probably facing a 4 man premade maybe 10% of your matches, probably less.

The losses are down to bad players.

[Armorpiercer M82]

Naeron66, on 02 December 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Been solo pugging the last 2 days, still maintaing a >1 K/D ratio and a high W/L ratio.

The truth is that solo players do not run into premades that often, and when Phase 2 arrives it will become less common. You are probably facing a 4 man premade maybe 10% of your matches, probably less.

The losses are down to bad players.

thats completely wrong. 35% of my games are against premades, so you are wrong.

Edited by Armorpiercer M82, 02 December 2012 - 05:17 AM.

[Hekalite]

Zero Neutral, on 02 December 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

These threads make me laugh.

WAHHH ONLY NOOBS SHOULD FIGHT NOOBS WAHHH

Minus the crying, yeah. That's the point of an ELO system like the one (I hope) we will be getting late December/early January.

[Haxburch]

Naeron66, on 02 December 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Been solo pugging the last 2 days, still maintaing a >1 K/D ratio and a high W/L ratio.

The truth is that solo players do not run into premades that often, and when Phase 2 arrives it will become less common. You are probably facing a 4 man premade maybe 10% of your matches, probably less.

The losses are down to bad players.

And waths your [REDACTED]point? Is then a bad thing to do this?



8man premade should ongly fight another 8man premade . Finish !

4man premade should figth like 2x4 premade vs 2x4 premade or 4xpremade+4random vs 4xpremade+4random . Finish!

A solo player should ongly fight vs other solo players. Or if he select in 4xpremade+4random matches . Finish !


This would be fair no other solution possible or u want endless argue and whine tho read?

Edited by Helmer, 02 December 2012 - 09:46 AM.
Bypassing the language filter.

[Zero Neutral]

Armorpiercer M82, on 02 December 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

we will eliminate one day stupid premades like you, and then it will be fun again.



yea we dont need elitist i.d.i.o.t. like you.

HAHAHA!!!

It's almost like you have no idea that matchmaking is still being worked on, and most likely, the game will become more PUG friendly in the future due to the upcoming proposed changes...

[REDACTED]

Haxburch, on 02 December 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

And waths your [REDACTED] point? Is then a bad thing to do this?



8man premade should ongly fight another 8man premade . Finish !

4man premade should figth like 2x4 premade vs 2x4 premade or 4xpremade+4random vs 4xpremade+4random . Finish!

A solo player should ongly fight vs other solo players. Or if he select in 4xpremade+4random matches . Finish !


This would be fair no other solution possible or u want endless argue and whine tho read?

[REDACTED]

Hekalite, on 02 December 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

Minus the crying, yeah. That's the point of an ELO system like the one (I hope) we will be getting late December/early January.

You mean like the one you WILL be getting and have no need to TALK about?

Edited by Helmer, 02 December 2012 - 09:39 AM.
Edited for unnecessary content that adds nothing to the conversation.

[Jelan]

So what will the excuses be when you keep getting wiped in your solo queues?

Statistics have already been produced that showed the 8 man premade wasnt the problem it was just people crying when they lost and claiming it was premades doing it to them.

8 solo people co-ordinating will beat 8 solo people that arent, thats the simple truth. Will you then be demanding that ingame chat function is turned off to stop people co-ordinating against you?

I despair sometimes, i really do. I think there's only one answer frankly.... zip up your mansuit and dry your eyes cupcake!

[Hekalite]

Zero Neutral, on 02 December 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

You mean like the one you WILL be getting and have no need to cry about?

No. I mean like the one I HOPE we will be getting because they have yet to post any details about how it will work or commit to a specific release date.

[Jadel Blade]

Armorpiercer M82, on 02 December 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

thats completely wrong. 35% of my games are against premades, so you are wrong.

lol you make up some stupid stats. If it werent for haxburch stealing the limelight with his short bus routine you would be king.

The pair of you dont have a clue.

The next phase of matchmaking will result in even less premades versus pugs that there is now and theres very little now.
If you are losing all the time its not the fault of matchmaking its because you suck.

I have never been in a 8 or 4 man team and Im running a positive w/l and a 2+:1 k/d.

[Armorpiercer M82]

Haxburch, on 02 December 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

And waths your F uckin g point? Is then a bad thing to do this?



8man premade should ongly fight another 8man premade . Finish !

4man premade should figth like 2x4 premade vs 2x4 premade or 4xpremade+4random vs 4xpremade+4random . Finish!

A solo player should ongly fight vs other solo players. Or if he select in 4xpremade+4random matches . Finish !


This would be fair no other solution possible or u want endless argue and whine tho read?

+1

but as yo can read answers here, from PREMADEs, they are angry, becuase then dont have stupid KD over 2, and so on.
they have small epeen and must be playing against weeker pugs, otherwise they dont hit a ****.

premade vs premade
and
pugs vs pugs,

is the only solution. dont do it, and 90% of all newcomers will leave within 5 days.... your choice PGI.

[Zero Neutral]

Armorpiercer M82, on 02 December 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

+1

but as yo can read answers here, from PREMADEs, they are angry, becuase then dont have stupid KD over 2, and so on.
they have small epeen and must be playing against weeker pugs, otherwise they dont hit a ****.

premade vs premade
and
pugs vs pugs,

is the only solution. dont do it, and 90% of all newcomers will leave within 5 days.... your choice PGI.

I almost exclusively run in premades, and I don't have this kind of outlook... I love a challenge.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you make up lies and commit them as truths to advance your agenda.

One thing, however, that does irk me, is that we are forced to find 1-4 players or 8 players and there is no in between... I feel like my corps' community would be stronger if there were more variable group sizes in between 4 and 8.

Also, I love how you claim 90% of people will leave... as if you know any thing... cus u don't.

Jelan, on 02 December 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

So what will the excuses be when you keep getting wiped in your solo queues?

Statistics have already been produced that showed the 8 man premade wasnt the problem it was just people crying when they lost and claiming it was premades doing it to them.

8 solo people co-ordinating will beat 8 solo people that arent, thats the simple truth. Will you then be demanding that ingame chat function is turned off to stop people co-ordinating against you?

I despair sometimes, i really do. I think there's only one answer frankly.... zip up your mansuit and dry your eyes cupcake!

My hero.

Edited by Zero Neutral, 02 December 2012 - 05:51 AM.

[Kousagi]

The problem is not pug vs 4 man group, cause its already pretty rare to fight vs a group if you are pugging. I pug quite a bit, and what brings the loss's is bad players. Which is something that is going to get fixed with the ELO system they have planed. So just wait and all the problems you are talking about will be solved...

Oh, and what does K/D ratio have anything to do with groups? Mines sitting over 5 right now and I pug. It was up at 7+ at points, but ya, open beta has not be as nice with all the new people coming in that can't tell left from right.

[Zero Neutral]

Kousagi, on 02 December 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

The problem is not pug vs 4 man group, cause its already pretty rare to fight vs a group if you are pugging. I pug quite a bit, and what brings the loss's is bad players. Which is something that is going to get fixed with the ELO system they have planed. So just wait and all the problems you are talking about will be solved...

Oh, and what does K/D ratio have anything to do with groups? Mines sitting over 5 right now and I pug. It was up at 7+ at points, but ya, open beta has not be as nice with all the new people coming in that can't tell left from right.

I honestly hope they don't use the ELO system, but something more suited for a multi-player team game... NOT a single player chess game.

[Joseph Mallan]

Shiney, on 02 December 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

90% of pre-mades will play with 8 man groups. Moreover I think people 'blame' premades when things go sour more often than is the case. I even find myself assuming so if I lose at times if I'm pugging or whatever. Not sure it's very accurate, sometimes people 'JUST' out do you that game, such is war.

You know... when I get rolled in my Group, I either figure "They were better than us." or "We blew that out our As." I never considered removing challenging players from my path to glory! Thank you OP for asking for mediocrity in the game.

[Zero Neutral]

90% of players agree that 90% of the posts in 90% of the forums are 90% 90% 90%...

Where do you even get these numbers? hehe.

[Warenwolf]

Lykaon, on 02 December 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

The problem is simple.You and many other PUG players are vastly over estimating the numbers of premade players currently in game.

I haven't tried quantifying how many battles pure PUGs teams face off against the premade groups, but it certainly happen often enough that PGI try to rectify the issue. So much for your "overestimation" claim.

Seeing how many clans (not game lore clans, but player clans) has been formed and how many members they claim to have, separating the player groups is entirely possible. Whether it is necessary is another issue - I would be perfectly happy with each team being balanced (for now) with equal number of premade groups.

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Also, interesting to note that guys with clan signatures are opposing 100% this idea - Bit telling isn't it - I suspect lot of you formed your clans to get ahead in boosting your stats and not really to fight against other clans.

Edited by Warenwolf, 02 December 2012 - 06:33 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Warenwolf, on 02 December 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

Also, interesting to note that guys with clan signatures are opposing 100% this idea - Bit telling isn't it - I suspect lot of you formed your clans to get ahead in boosting your stats and not really to fight against other clans.

To correct your assumption, I am not against your present suggestion. I am against what will follow. First it'll be separate PUGs from PreMades. The Vet PUGs from Boots. The Trial Mechs From Owned, Then Lasers from Missiles.

It just appears to me that those who are wanting segregation want to dumb down the game by removing challenging obstacles. When I started testing this game I had a .24 K/D rating. I worked my way up to a .75 before I accepted an invitation from Murphy's Law cause I wanted to be a decent contributing player in my eyes. I have never once wanted Teams to be segregated cause I want to battle against better players. BUT I also want those fights that are rolls. I watched what the teams were doing and compared it to what I was doing to make myself a better player.

I don't know. Maybe people have to high of an opinion of their skills. If you are new, or you are not properly utilizing chat or voice, you are going to lose to those with more experience. That is the nature of competition. And I am one competitive Son of a *itch.