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[Sifright]

Agent of Change, on 04 December 2012 - 05:56 AM, said:

When i saw the title i was wracking my brain for an inoffensive and politic way to say:

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa ha hahahaha.....*hyperventilate*....HAHAHAHA ha haha

My op was successful then!

Drenzul, on 04 December 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Its a combination of the ERPPC, the lowered heat reduction from the DHS and the sheer fact that noobs alpha strike it too often.

that and the mech is actually mostly heat neutral in table top but because of triple fire rate in mwo it cooks its self.

[Taizan]

Drenzul, on 04 December 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Its a combination of the ERPPC, the lowered heat reduction from the DHS and the sheer fact that noobs alpha strike it too often.

I played one two days ago just to see how it is (planning to buy one soon) and the ER PPCs are really generating a lots of heat. Needs very delicate timing and observation.
Its odd that the new player alpha striking is still so prevalent now that they've added preconfigured weapon grouping to all trial mechs. Tutorial / training grounds needs to be implemented where this stuff gets hammered out of every new player..

[BoomDog]

I didn't fully appreciate how broke the heat system was until I bought and piloted an Awesome for one day.

All those energy hardpoints and all that space for weapons, and your still stuck firing either medium lasers, or slow sniping from the back. Now add in how easy it is to hit the center torso. It didn't take long for me to realize it was broke.

[Lord Ikka]

As long as you balance heat and chain the ERPPCs, it is not too bad. Hotter than I would like, but still a useful sniper. Problem is that newbies don't know enough about heat and constantly fire the ppcs together. That equals instant overheat.

[Erik Jast]

It is sad that the developers killed the stock Awesome with their poor sense of game balance. I know I was excited when I saw that I had an Awesome as a starter map. It quickly changed into disappointment.

[SkyCake]

[DisasterTheory]

[Agent of Change]

BLOODREDSINGLE, on 04 December 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Did you actually read the OP and the poll or did you just post a trolling picture without paying attention because reading is for suckers.

(If you actually did read it I'm so sorry to hear that your sense of humor was removed... my condolences. i hear Ice cream helps with that.)

Edited by Agent of Change, 04 December 2012 - 06:45 AM.

[BluefireMW]

Awesome 9m is as it is a Inners Sphere Mech with 20dbl and XL never overpowered.
Who knows how to play it, it is real dangerous, bad the drawback of the XL and normally no space for AMS and/or Ferro/Endo relativates the advantage of so much Heat Sinks for a 3 ER PPC using BattleMech.

It's a great Mech, from my opinion, but it stays with drawbacks.

Not Overpowered, just a good one.

[Sifright]

Some people haven't caught onto this whole reading thing.

Words are so over powered man.

[Daimonos]

Taizan, on 04 December 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Its odd that the new player alpha striking is still so prevalent now that they've added preconfigured weapon grouping to all trial mechs. Tutorial / training grounds needs to be implemented where this stuff gets hammered out of every new player..

There's a disconnect between PGI and the players here. As players, we know that the heat system is not right. The direct consequence is that most trial mechs overheat far too quickly: they have too many weapons and too few heatsinks. The stock AWS-8M is perhaps the most egregious heat coffin in the game right now. For reasons we've never understood, the PGI spokespeople continue to insist that the trial mechs are good (they are not), and that double heat sinks outside the engine are fine at 1.4 (they are not either). Fixing the heat system will make the HBK-4P very dangeous again. The heavy energy weapons - large pulse laser, ERLL, PPC, ERPPC - and the Awesomes that should be carrying them will remain poor choices until and unless something changes.

[DisasterTheory]

Agent of Change, on 04 December 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

Did you actually read the OP and the poll or did you just post a trolling picture without paying attention because reading is for suckers.

(If you actually did read it I'm so sorry to hear that your sense of humor was removed... my condolences. i hear Ice cream helps with that.)

Oh I read it.... and I have never seen said mech as OP which is why I posted the picture. I found the original posters thread to be a bit silly and it smelled of trollsauce.

[Sifright]

BLOODREDSINGLE, on 04 December 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

Oh I read it.... and I have never seen said mech as OP which is why I posted the picture. I found the original posters thread to be a bit silly and it smelled of trollsauce.

I was pointing out how over powered it was over poweringly bad that is.

if you even read the poll instead of the title of the thread you would have noticed.

Or you could even read the first post.

BluefireMW, on 04 December 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Awesome 9m is as it is a Inners Sphere Mech with 20dbl and XL never overpowered.
Who knows how to play it, it is real dangerous, bad the drawback of the XL and normally no space for AMS and/or Ferro/Endo relativates the advantage of so much Heat Sinks for a 3 ER PPC using BattleMech.

It's a great Mech, from my opinion, but it stays with drawbacks.

Not Overpowered, just a good one.

...

I don't know how you came to that conclusion good sir, but it is wrong.

Guass rifles are better in every way *they are supposed to be in TT as well* just not by the crazy amount they are right now.

[KinLuu]

I think I will run a couple of PUG matches to see for myself.

It can not be that bad, can it?

[Sifright]

KinLuu, on 04 December 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

I think I will run a couple of PUG matches to see for myself.

It can not be that bad, can it?

for the love of god don't fire your ppcs in the caldera on caustic.... or do the other team could do with a laugh. i'm sure.

[Sifright]

Thontor, on 04 December 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

In stock form, the 9M is not really effective. Too many weapons, not enough heat sinks.

But it really is a good chassis.. You have to upgrade the engine so you can fit more double heat sinks inside it. Because space is the biggest limitation.

You might be able to get similar weapon configurations with the other Awesome variants, but you can't get the speed.

the 9M
http://mwowiki.org/w...=Awesome_AWS-9M

Already has DHS and XL engine.

It has 3 PPCS which it can fire twice in a row before over heating if you know exactly what you are doing and use every trick for heat management and peak a boo sniping with terrain you can just about make using the mech tolerable.

given that most trial users are newbies or semi new players they are incapable of this.

The worst thing is that the mech uses DHS and XL already so after you buy the variant the only way to optimize is to remove weapons... which if the mech is really being handed out to you by a merc leader or house commander he would have already done if hes giving them out like candy to rookies he's not going to be giving them something they have a good chance of exploding themselves with.

*The above paragraph is me playing pretend that we have CW in, like many of the posters who seem to think trials are balanced by that fact*

[wanderer]

Thontor, on 04 December 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

In stock form, the 9M is not really effective. Too many weapons, not enough heat sinks.

But it really is a good chassis.. You have to upgrade the engine so you can fit more double heat sinks inside it. Because space is the biggest limitation.

You might be able to get similar weapon configurations with the other Awesome variants, but you can't get the speed.

Oh, you can rebuild a -9M just fine.

It's the Trial, stock -9M we're talking about here. Which is hilarious to watch as long as it's on the other team.

[Agent of Change]

KinLuu, on 04 December 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

I think I will run a couple of PUG matches to see for myself.

It can not be that bad, can it?

*trying not to laugh* Sir... Please try not to.... I mean.... ROFL

Seriously, as stock it is a death trap because of the combination brokeness of the heat and er ppcs. You can keep your self from overheating but then you are just being eaten alive by builds with DPS an order of magnitude higher. The 9M is just one of the most glaring example of broken stock mechs.

[Sifright]

wanderer, on 04 December 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

Oh, you can rebuild a -9M just fine.

It's the Trial, stock -9M we're talking about here. Which is hilarious to watch as long as it's on the other team.

This is true,

You can make a rather decent mech out of it if you know what your doing.

The stock variant is laughably bad.

So much so that the first time I actually fought against one I got killed by a different mech on their team because i was laughing so much over how the 9M died......

[AvatarofWhat]

I love seeing a trial 9M on the battlefield. First thought in my head is "free kill". They shoot at me with their all their ppcs twice in short succession, overheat, then I proceeed to core their side torso with 3 Large Lasers and a gauss. I normally finish before they power back up.