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[Darian DelFord]

This post is strictly for opinions. With us being the only light currently not able to equip ECM (Debatable) what is now our role in combat. When I first heard of MW 5 back when it was first announced turning into MWO Jenner popped right into mind with ECM and BAP I could get behind and actually scout. However the few games I have played as the Jenner I feel useless as a scout, other than standing at a normal crossing spot with Thermal Imaging on and saying, yup no one coming this way.

Question, scout wise what can we bring to the table that the Commando and Raven can not do better:?

Just curious

[Impossible Wasabi]

The Space Pope has always viewed the Jenner as a hit/run mech or as some call it a "striker" not a scout mech.

As such he has not and does not use the Jenner for scouting, instead he relies on Commandos or Ravens to do this job when he is not himself using either of those two mechs.

Edited by Merlevade, 04 December 2012 - 03:56 PM.

[Nightcrept]

Let them get the netcode down first. Otherwise as I joked earlier in another thread it would be god's chariot incarnate.

I played a game a few minutes ago against a ecm raven and it was nearly impossible to kill. The jenner would be even worse.

[MouseNo4]

The Jenner is not a true scout mech. It is more of a combat Light. What is referred to as a "guerrilla fighter" on its mech description page.

[shadowrwolf]

go read lore there has never ever been a jenner with ECM

[Darian DelFord]

MouseNo4, on 04 December 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

The Jenner is not a true scout mech. It is more of a combat Light. What is referred to as a "guerrilla fighter" on its mech description page.

LOL I like that one

interesting so far :>

shadowrwolf, on 04 December 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

go read lore there has never ever been a jenner with ECM

And correct me if I am wrong, but did the lore ever see a a Streak Cat or a Gauss a pult?

[EmeraldSongbird]

The Commando has a size advantage, the Jenner has a speed advantage, the Raven has a firepower advantage. Being light mechs speed is obviously the superior trait here due to low health. Without the ECM they will prove mostly inferior to the Jenner in every way so I find it to be fairly balanced. If the Jenner had an ECM we would not only have an extremely obnoxious mech to deal with, but ones who mess with our radar and missile lock systems. I feel it is a bit of a stretch and like it as it is.

[Smeghead87]

I always saw it as a kind of harraser, flanking in, hitting some opportune targets and racing out again.

[Impossible Wasabi]

The Space Pope would actually compare the light mechs as follows:

Commando=
+ Size
+ Speed(Fastest speed but only barely)
+ ECM
- Dies Easily

Raven=

+ Speed
+ Armor
+ ECM Platform
+ Decent Armament

Jenner=
+ Size
+ Speed
+ Armor
+ Best Armament of the Light Mechs

Without ECM the Jenner is the clear light mech of choice, which is what makes this patch so interesting on a balance level. There are reasons to use the other light mechs now.

Edited by Merlevade, 04 December 2012 - 04:16 PM.

[Asakara]

shadowrwolf, on 04 December 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

go read lore there has never ever been a jenner with ECM

Nope, never.. Oh wait...

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jenner

The JR10-X had Angel ECM.

I think you meant that lore wise there has never ever been a Commando or Cicada with ECM, and that would be correct.

[ARCTICF0X]

Darian DelFord, on 04 December 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

And correct me if I am wrong, but did the lore ever see a a Streak Cat or a Gauss a pult?

So... you are wanting a mech variant that will cause as much crying as the Streak Cat or Gausspult?

If you are using those mechs as an example, then you can see why it probably wasn't made possible.

[Ragor]

MouseNo4, on 04 December 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

The Jenner is not a true scout mech. It is more of a combat Light. What is referred to as a "guerrilla fighter" on its mech description page.

QFT - the Jenner is a fast and ultra nimble hit and run mech, scouting via regular sensors, maybe BAP and eyeball Mk I.
It is not supposed to be an e-warfare mech.

[Scatterplot]

Asakara, on 04 December 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Nope, never.. Oh wait...

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jenner

The JR10-X had Angel ECM.

I think you meant that lore wise there has never ever been a Commando or Cicada with ECM, and that would be correct.

JR10-X is out of the timeline.

[Asakara]

Scatterplot, on 04 December 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

JR10-X is out of the timeline.

So are the Atlas K2 and S2 which had ECM, but they still gave ECM to the D-DC which never had it.

Link

Edited by Asakara, 04 December 2012 - 04:42 PM.

[Heeden]

Beginning of a match you should go out scouting - every light should - but don't run too far from your support. When the battle is going fully you should either be nipping around adding extra firepower to fights, harrassing the enemy's long-range support of fighting off other light harrassers.

[Solis Obscuri]

Main issue is, the technology itself should be balanced in such a way that it isn't almost an absolute requirement to carry it on a scout.

Edited by Solis Obscuri, 04 December 2012 - 04:48 PM.

[Darian DelFord]

ARCTICF0X, on 04 December 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

So... you are wanting a mech variant that will cause as much crying as the Streak Cat or Gausspult?

If you are using those mechs as an example, then you can see why it probably wasn't made possible.

I am wanting nothing other than opinions, someone stated the Jenner has no ECM and I merely countered with whats in the game. The point which apparently was missed is simple. This is not TT or Cannon, you can only go by it so much. Balance being the main reason.

[NoFish]

Darian DelFord, on 04 December 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

And correct me if I am wrong, but did the lore ever see a a Streak Cat or a Gauss a pult?

Catapult CPLT-C1 Jenny "Butterbee" - The personal ride of MechWarrior Jenny Templeton, this variant of the Catapult replaces the standard arm-mounted LRM-15s with a quartet of SRM-6 missile launchers, two in each arm. BV (2.0) = 1,242

Not quite a streak cat, but close enough for government work.

Edited by NoFish, 04 December 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[topgun505]

Which wasn't produced until 3072, costs 10.7 million, and is considered an Experimental design NOT a production unit because it also had Null Sig, and a Torso Mounted cockpit (none of which the mechlab will support).

Asakara, on 04 December 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Nope, never.. Oh wait...

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jenner

The JR10-X had Angel ECM.

I think you meant that lore wise there has never ever been a Commando or Cicada with ECM, and that would be correct.

True ... but that was a unique custom built unit. Not a production line mech.

NoFish, on 04 December 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

Catapult CPLT-C1 Jenny "Butterbee" - The personal ride of MechWarrior Jenny Templeton, this variant of the Catapult replaces the standard arm-mounted LRM-15s with a quartet of SRM-6 missile launchers, two in each arm. BV (2.0) = 1,242

Not quite a streak cat, but close enough for government work.

[ReD3y3]

ECM is alot of fun.

It has brought alot of depth to the game.

I like it so far