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4sp's been fitting well. you can use it to help mop up ravens/cicadas, and when the atlases clash you can do some nice disruption with the srm6's.

[Osiris1975]

Captain Midnight, on 05 December 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

As far as I can tell a dragon > any "fast" medium and a Raven > Cicada for fast ECM. Hard as hell to justify a Hunchback.

Yet I continuously get 1-5 kills per match in my Hunchback 4SP.

[QuantumButler]

the best thing meds have going for 'em in 8v8 is the meta thing where people ignore them in favor of heavier mechs or ECM mechs, they're perfect guards for ECM mechs due to their low targeting priority and good firepower.

[Khobai]

When people say Mediums suck they dont mean ALL Mediums suck. They mean any Medium that isnt a Hunchback-4SP, Centurion CN9-D, or a Cicada-3M sucks. Those are the only good mediums and everyone knows it. Every other medium variant has crippling flaws either in its hardpoints or its speed.

Edited by Khobai, 05 December 2012 - 06:50 AM.

[QuantumButler]

Khobai, on 05 December 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

When people say Mediums suck they dont mean ALL Mediums suck. They mean any Medium that isnt a Hunchback-SP, Centurion CN9-D, or a Cicada-3M sucks.

Hey, the Cent A can carry 3 srm6s, that's a lot of punch.

I like to use a 260 engine, 3 x srm6, and 2 small lasers in the CT because of how hot the srm6s are. Perfect buddy for a DDC Atlas.

[Vlad Ward]

Terry Ward, on 05 December 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

2 ECM cicadas and 6 Atlas D-DC with ECM is all you need. Everything else is inferior.

Matches against teams like these were the easiest ones my corps had yesterday.

The Catapult and Cataphract still crap all over the Atlas in terms of front-loaded mid-range firepower.

[QuantumButler]

Vlad Ward, on 05 December 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Matches against teams like these were the easiest ones my corps had yesterday.

The Catapult and Cataphract still crap all over the Atlas in terms of front-loaded mid-range firepower.

Yeah, we in Kong have been seeing a lot of cataphracts and 6 x srm boomstick catapults.

[Khobai]

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Hey, the Cent A can carry 3 srm6s, that's a lot of punch.

Yeah but its soooo slow. The CN9-D can still carry 2 srm6s and goes 50% faster. Slow mediums for the most part are useless. The Hunchback-4SP is okay though because its hardpoints are spread out which makes it more resilient than the other slow mediums. But a slow medium with all its weapons in one location is just asking for its torso to get blown out.

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The Catapult and Cataphract still crap all over the Atlas in terms of front-loaded mid-range firepower.

Huh? If you build your Atlas right, the six SRM6 cat is the only mech that does more front-loaded damage. The Cataphract doesnt even come close to the Atlas in alphastrike potential. And when it comes to putting all that damage in a single location, theres nothing better than an Atlas, even the SRM6 cat spreads its 90 damage out over a pretty wide area.

Edited by Khobai, 05 December 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[QuantumButler]

Khobai, on 05 December 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Yeah buts its soooo slow. The CN9-D can still carry 2 srm6s and goes 50% faster.

80-90 kph is fast enough if you play it as a Atlas buddy.

[Murzao]

Khobai, on 05 December 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Yeah buts its soooo slow. The CN9-D can still carry 2 srm6s and goes 50% faster.

It goes 90.6 with speed tweak which is more than fast enough. I'd rather have the extra firepower.

YLW goes 97.3 with an AC20 (or double AC2)

Edited by Murzao, 05 December 2012 - 07:02 AM.

[Elizander]

QuantumButler, on 05 December 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

Yeah, we in Kong have been seeing a lot of cataphracts and 6 x srm boomstick catapults.

They had to find some use for all those retired Streak Cats.

[QuantumButler]

Elizander, on 05 December 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

They had to find some use for all those retired Streak Cats.

I used to run one of those before the streakapocalypse, lots of fun.

Gonna try one again later.

[Khobai]

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80-90 kph is fast enough if you play it as a Atlas buddy.

Its not an Atlas though. It has half the armor. There's no reason not to use the CN9-D instead. It goes fast enough to get a lagshield which dramatically improves its survivability. And its hardpoints are great.

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YLW goes 97.3 with an AC20 (or double AC2)

Again thats too slow. If youre not going fast enough to get a lagshield, theres really no advantage to piloting a medium over a heavy. I mean cataphracts can go like 85kph with speed tweak, have more armor and more weapons, so why not just play a catraphract if youre only gonna go 85kph in a centurion anyway? Unless youre gonna go significantly faster than a heavy then a medium mech is pointless.

Edited by Khobai, 05 December 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[QuantumButler]

Khobai, on 05 December 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

Its not an Atlas though. It has half the armor. There is no reason not to use the CN9-D instead. It goes fast enough to get a lagshield which dramatically improves its survivability. And its hardpoints are great.

You use it instead of the D when you're spacepoor [only because I bought an Atlas recently] and can't afford an 8 million Bitcoin Centurion.

[ZonbiBadger]

Captain Midnight, on 05 December 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Anyone running a medium in 8v8 for a competitive reason? no just for kicks? Mediums seem useless these days without a weight limit in 8v8. I tell people to run a heavy or get out of my group.

That is a pretty obtuse thing to do...

[Khobai]

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You use it instead of the D when you're spacepoor [only because I bought an Atlas recently] and can't afford an 8 million Bitcoin Centurion.

Spacehobo.

[ZonbiBadger]

If your teamwork is good, it doesn't really matter if you have mediums instead of heavies.

[Khobai]

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If your teamwork is good, it doesn't really matter if you have mediums instead of heavies.

well sure. even a commando can beat an atlas if the pilot is better. the point is why handicap yourself when you dont have to?

[Vlad Ward]

Weight doesn't mean much. The Cataphract and Catapult are just damn good, though, so they'll usually overwhelm a similar Medium.

Then again, they'll also overwhelm a similar Assault, so.

A lot of the people in our corps like to play the sniper role, so we still use our Gauss K2s and Gauss+AC/20+JJ Cataphracts with nigh-impunity whenever people try to blob D-DCs. I think I was rolling the only ECM on our team the vast majority of our matches and it didn't make much of a difference. It's not like ECM stacks, or really knocks out anything besides guided missiles anyways. Once you have the cloak for your main force, the rest is just redundant.

[Ursh]

I had better luck yesterday in my CN-9D than anything else. I wouldn't use my other centurions though, because they're too slow. Most of my Catapults can go 75kph, so if a medium turns to run they better have a quick corner to find or their back is going to get blown out with srm6 volleys or ac10 pounding.

My cn-9d goes 121.9kph with speed tweak, and packs 2xML, SRM6+artemis, SR4+artemis. I can play hell with the backside of their firing line, or I can pound base capping ninjas.