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[Gristle]

Adridos, on 05 December 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

There is only one medium mech in the game right now and that is Dragon... and the advnaced Centurion variant, which I've seen none of.

Hmmm - I always thought the Dragon was a 60 ton HEAVY class mech.

[Enigmos]

Gristle, on 05 December 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Hmmm - I always thought the Dragon was a 60 ton HEAVY class mech.

My recollection as well. I didn't mention it because I feel the role of the medium as close support for the Assaults is being displaced by heavies like the Dragon and Cataphract.

I think there is another role for the medium evolving as skirmishers/strikers.

[Garth Erlam]

LordBraxton, on 05 December 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

2 teams of similar skill, one 2\2\2\2 vs one with 2 lights\6 assaults Id put all the money I'll ever make on the assault team (given they both have equal number of ECM)

I'll take that bet. Though how about: You win, I give you 10 million C-Bills. You lose, you delete all your Mechs and buy a Centurion-AL, and then buy/sell items over and over until you're 10 million C-Bills less.

Deal?

[Agent of Change]

Garth Erlam, on 05 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I'll take that bet. Though how about: You win, I give you 10 million C-Bills. You lose, you delete all your Mechs and buy a Centurion-AL, and then buy/sell items over and over until you're 10 million C-Bills less.

Deal?

I wanna see this, can you record it?

Can I sell tickets?

Are you taking side bets?

Edited by Agent of Change, 05 December 2012 - 10:27 AM.

[shabowie]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 December 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

I ran an Atlas for a few matches last night. I died every match. I accidentally dropped in my Centurion and not only did I live but I wracked up a Kill and 2 assists! Its funny too cause I dealt over 800 damage total in 2 matches in the Atlas with zero kills/assists, I did 127 points of damage in the Centurion and I got 1 Kill and 2 assists!

Something is wrong with this picture.

So you got lucky and stole someone's kill in the cent? Good story!

Also how did you manage to do that much damage in an Atlas and not get any assists?

Also, we rolled 8 mans for a few hours yesterday. Our mech composition didn't seem critical, our comms and teamwork decided most matches as usual. We saw lots of different attempts at solutions to the new environment too. One team with four lights and four LRM boats, some teams coming out setup almost entirely for direct fire with gausscats, one team had a ton of Jenners and ravens with one atlas and cat, you name it.

Edited by shabowie, 05 December 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[Garth Erlam]

I think that would be illegal

But I'd put money on Jenner/Raven/Cicada/any medium/Catapult/Cataphract over Jenner/Raven/any six assaults. Good luck scouting for your assaults when you have two other scouts AND a fast medium/other medium gunning for you

[Broceratops]

Garth Erlam, on 05 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I'll take that bet. Though how about: You win, I give you 10 million C-Bills. You lose, you delete all your Mechs and buy a Centurion-AL, and then buy/sell items over and over until you're 10 million C-Bills less.

Deal?

once there is a way to determine similar skill i'd looooove to see this go down

[3rdworld]

Garth Erlam, on 05 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

I think that would be illegal

But I'd put money on Jenner/Raven/Cicada/any medium/Catapult/Cataphract over Jenner/Raven/any six assaults. Good luck scouting for your assaults when you have two other scouts AND a fast medium/other medium gunning for you

You pretend I wouldn't be scouting with 6 ecm D-DCs.

[LordBraxton]

Garth Erlam, on 05 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I'll take that bet. Though how about: You win, I give you 10 million C-Bills. You lose, you delete all your Mechs and buy a Centurion-AL, and then buy/sell items over and over until you're 10 million C-Bills less.

Deal?

Cute.

Id LOVE to accept this deal but 2 teams of equal skill only exist in a hypothetical world. Sadly.

In fact if the 2/2/2/2 team won It would immediately mean they were more skilled, as with less speed\armor\firepower they managed to beat a superior team. Unless of course you fill both medium slots with ECM toting cicadas, though ID STILL bet on the heavier team.

Also 10million cbills wouldnt even pay for half of my AWS-9m. No wonder new players make money so slowly if Garth thinks 10mil is anything at all.

Find a way to implement tonnage or BV balancing, they made it work in team matches back with mechcommander 1 so I see no reason we can't implement it for MWO.

A server browser would help

PS: I Love my centurion AL. Make it viable over my 9-m (same role but does it better)

Speaking of the 9-m, in your team example I would just bring 3 9ms running 86kph with the 3 atlasDDC\ECM, then your hunchback or centurion is completely worthless. The cicada is only good because you have yet to fix the netcode Garth. Fix the netcode.

Edited by LordBraxton, 05 December 2012 - 11:16 AM.

[Sorho]

At the moment I'm still repping my 4SP

With a 250 engine I can outbrawl most heavies and even badly piloted Assaults.

[Lefty Lucy]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 December 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Makes me glad I am not in your group, since Mediums run well can be great. This, the whole "Heavy-Elitist" mentality, is why I wish they had never caved to the Pugly Casuals and made refit and re-arm so cheap. The original model, Assault were pretty much never going to break even and make money (hence limiting their numbers, and frequency of deployment (and coincidentally the exact fluff reasons that Assaults were uncommon in Btech), Heavies were effective but still expensive, and Mediums were the workhorse (easier/cheaper to maintain and repair) units.

Well, I was dropping in Captain Midnight's team for 8 v 8 last night, piloting a CDA 3M with 4 small lasers, AC2, and ECM. Granted the AC2 has received a *massive* stealth nerf, my CDA was simply not nearly as good for actual combat as CM's Raven. I'm messing around with all-laser builds and doing better, but the 3M has a major weakness in that it has a ballistic hard point, but there's no effective ballistic that can fit in the hard point now that the AC2 is trash again.

[Agent of Change]

shabowie, on 05 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

So you got lucky and stole someone's kill in the cent? Good story!

Also how did you manage to do that much damage in an Atlas and not get any assists?

no such thing as kill stealing, as soon as we accept that we can all be happy.

Team game = Team kills
Teammate gets kill = You should have killed him faster.

Think of it as motivation to improve your aim or stop worrying about stats.

[Sean Casey]

I usually run a Cent-A as my primary. Most of the matches I run I am in the top 2 for my team, even when we lose. Currently running with XL engine, endo steel, 1 AC10, 1 MLAS, 1 SRM4 and 1 SRM6 and plenty of ammo. I do best in this mech. Fast enough to use cover and disengage/re-engage and stay with lights long enough to hurt them if they run. It isn't a mech to brawl with, but works great to do hit and run attacks and flank with when the enemy engages the heavier mechs of your team or gets busy chasing your lights. Also works great for LRM boat suppression, would love to try pairing up with an ECM mech to help avoid detection on flanking...

[shabowie]

Agent of Change, on 05 December 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

no such thing as kill stealing, as soon as we accept that we can all be happy.

Him only doing 127 is pretty weak was the point, then claiming he did 800 in an Atlas and got no assists... His whole team died and got no kills on things he had had damaged?

My point was as useless anecdotal stories used to try to convey some point go, ie "something is wrong with this picture" I didn't see what that point was and found this anecdote even less useful than normal.

[PropagandaWar]

I ran phract a few times but went right back into my sp (or raven if its my turn to run the ECM). Ill just deal with the ECM issue like a bunch of others in my team. BTW Gauusapult is still Horrid. Do Phracts and everyone else a favor give it the big gun makeover like the rest of the mechs that carry em. Not afraid of the mech but its still a bit lame that everyone else has that big chest profile in those heavies and it doesnt. We may lose alot but were getting better piloting the mechs we like even if we are outtonend an avg 200-300 tons.

[Voidsinger]

What can I say. I don't really like the rides on Hunchbacks.

Still, I'm working my way on my Founder's G.

Last 4 games since I started:

Game 1 - Controls bugged out (had to go into options to reset after).
Game 2 - 2 Kills, 3 assists, game won, lived, 2nd top damage.
Game 3 - 2 Kills, 1 assist, game lost, died, top damage on team, 4th overall XP.
Game 4 - 0 kills, died, game lost 0-8.

My point is that as a medium, I shouldn't really be dealing top tier damage every time, yet I usually do (unless my tactics fail), as do lights.

This game has become too much about the heavies and the assaults. However, if they put the names of the mechs on the scoreboard, you'd find the mechs doing the heavy lifting in games are the lights due to speed, and the mediums. The heavies have become overspecialised, and very situational in general. The assaults are often just taking too long to engage to make the contribution their mass and firepower suggest,

Forgot to mention I PUG almost exclusively, so have no idea who I play with usually, since most 4 mans don't declare, they just go off and do their own thing.

Edited by Voidsinger, 05 December 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[Lefty Lucy]

PropagandaWar, on 05 December 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I ran phract a few times but went right back into my sp (or raven if its my turn to run the ECM). Ill just deal with the ECM issue like a bunch of others in my team. BTW Gauusapult is still Horrid. Do Phracts and everyone else a favor give it the big gun makeover like the rest of the mechs that carry em. Not afraid of the mech but its still a bit lame that everyone else has that big chest profile in those heavies and it doesnt. We may lose alot but were getting better piloting the mechs we like even if we are outtonend an avg 200-300 tons.

If you like the 4SP (which I do!), try the CTF-2x. It plays similar, but with more weapons and armor. It's been my favorite brawler since the CTF was introduced.

[LordBraxton]

Sean Casey, on 05 December 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

I usually run a Cent-A as my primary. Most of the matches I run I am in the top 2 for my team, even when we lose. Currently running with XL engine, endo steel, 1 AC10, 1 MLAS, 1 SRM4 and 1 SRM6 and plenty of ammo. I do best in this mech. Fast enough to use cover and disengage/re-engage and stay with lights long enough to hurt them if they run. It isn't a mech to brawl with, but works great to do hit and run attacks and flank with when the enemy engages the heavier mechs of your team or gets busy chasing your lights. Also works great for LRM boat suppression, would love to try pairing up with an ECM mech to help avoid detection on flanking...

Sounds like a similar style as I play my Centurion! I applaud your skill and agree centurions can kick major *** in the right hands.

However my AWS9m goes almost as fast as my centurion, packs twice the punch, more armor, and I play it to fulfill the EXACT same role, supporting my atlas buddies and popping up on enemy flanks where an 80 tonner has no business being.

The only advantage the CN9 has is a SLIGHTLY smaller profile, so I have to be about 10% more careful about not silhouetting myself.

In fact my 9m happens to be the ultimate medium counter, as it can maneuver right with them but completely outclass them.

HOWEVER MY 9M USED TO NEVER GET PLAYTIME

Because an atlas tank is more valuable in most situations. And thats the slot I was taking up.

WE WANTED MORE IN DEPTH TEAM BALANCING NOT A COMPLETE REMOVAL OF TEAM BALANCING

Now that tonnage does not matter??

[PropagandaWar]

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

If you like the 4SP (which I do!), try the CTF-2x. It plays similar, but with more weapons and armor. It's been my favorite brawler since the CTF was introduced.

I like the phract but seeing a ton of them on the map when were were doing 4man I would keep my meds to keep it from turning into a Streakfest/tcat/gaussapult fest. I have a phract 70 kph 3 meds 2 streaks and an ac20. The others 2x lbx 3 med pulse lasers. The later actually became my prefered mech. The other thing about that fract is its mobility. Man I wish we had dragon with to ballistic or laser arms.

My other main mech is a C9-A love it and the SP. I play both differently but Yep meds still rule.

[Agent of Change]

shabowie, on 05 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Him only doing 127 is pretty weak was the point, then claiming he did 800 in an Atlas and got no assists... His whole team died and got no kills on things he had had damaged?

My point was as useless anecdotal stories used to try to convey some point go, ie "something is wrong with this picture" I didn't see what that point was and found this anecdote even less useful than normal.

I can see your point, my position is that the 'kill stealing' when not said in obvious jest is a an instant hot button and it needs to go away. As to anecdotes not really being good to convey a point in general i'm inclined to agree. That said i can see a kind of point, in my lighter mechs I can routinely get multiple kills for 300 or less damage because of focusing on specific parts of the mech (mainly lightly armored bits), headshots/xl side torsos/rear armor etc... where as in heavier stuff you are usually grinding away at the heavily armored bits doing up too four times that damage for the same effect.

I believe his point is he may have had an easier time in his centurion but that is just my impression.