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[PropagandaWar]

Sorry man. Your wrong. Us Premades had fun win or lose. Yeah many of us want tonnage/ and bv. Playing out tonned/outran in some matches was fun and helped us to find holes. Also I would like to note in the 3+ hours I played last night I dont recall dropping against the same group twice. Soooo. With that being said you may have had to do some pug on pugging and may have realized we have never been the problem. So leave us premades to ourselves so we can beat up each other.

[Odins Fist]

Agent of Change, on 05 December 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

So tell me then are you rolling the trial mechs or are you going to step up and play with the Pro leagues?

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LOLZ... I really wish there was a "Coliseum" or "Flavian Amphitheatre" type of Arena to see who has what..
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Coincidentally, I have been "called out" three times during matches from people that either didn't like me because of a forums post, or what happened in a previous round, and "ALL" three times I left their Mech in a pile of smoking newb..
One of those guys is now my friend in MWO, and he is a really decent person as well..

Edited by Odins Fist, 05 December 2012 - 11:16 AM.

[Kobold]

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Ideally I'd like to see game balance be good enough that medium mechs have a place (the oft-touted "role warfare").

This is where tonnage limits are better than straight weight class matching. If you have 150 tons for two players, do you bring an Atlas and a Hunchback, or do you bring an Awesome and a Cataphract? Reasonable minds can disagree, and let the players do what they want. However it still provides some balance, otherwise you will see far too many teams made up of 4 D-DCs, 2 ravens, and 2 Gausscats.

[Dukov Nook]

Considering how many ECM threads there are, if Premades WERE having an issue with 8 man instances, you would be hearing about it.

The reason you aren't?

We like it. Sure, we die more, but not many of us (at least in BWC) give a crap for KDR. Our win column is what is important. And the quality of the matches which has skyrocketed. Sure, I've gotten pwnd a bit, but the matches are closer (8-0 roflstomps not found), survivors are fewer (8v8's finishing as 3v2s, etc), but the overall experience is far better, which is what many pre-mades are looking for, and what many non-premade types don't seem to understand.

[Lefty Lucy]

Kobold, on 05 December 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

This is where tonnage limits are better than straight weight class matching. If you have 150 tons for two players, do you bring an Atlas and a Hunchback, or do you bring an Awesome and a Cataphract? Reasonable minds can disagree, and let the players do what they want. However it still provides some balance, otherwise you will see far too many teams made up of 4 D-DCs, 2 ravens, and 2 Gausscats.

The problem with this is that the medium trooper still doesn't have a proper "role." For example, I'd rather run an Atlas and a Raven than say a Hunchback and Awesome, despite both combinations being around the same overall tonnage.

[Odins Fist]

Yep
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Odins Fist, on 05 December 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:
He's saying, now that they got what they wanted with 8 V 8 drops they are complaining that it's too hard, and that they want their "PUG STOMPING" privilages back...
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bug3at3r, on 05 December 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

This is my prediction, yes.

[PureNO]

I use PUG in all my sentences, I am such a 1337 ins1der.

[Dukov Nook]

PureNO, on 05 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

I use PUG in all my sentences, I am such a 1337 ins1der.

You also post as a clanner, which makes so so 1337 ins1d3r that even the periphery hasn't really heard about you yet.

[Dair Hammond]

This game just became fundamentally better for team play. No weight matching, add an element of unknown, and games have gone from mad Zerg rushes to more carefully executed battles where you see people actually employing different strat and counters.

Why would anyone complain about that? But I'm sure some will... send em to the corner to play with the my little pony dolls. That should be up to their speed... because that's just a taste of what Mechwarrior is really about, and its just begun... larger maps, 3 lances, and different ways to win the battles. C3 command and control, maneuver warfare, information warfare... get ready to earn your C-Bills!

The thing is, alot of MW fans... are older gamers, we grew tired of easy games before the rise of the console and the free Ego boost... this game has just started to shine through again and remind me why I fleshed out money to make sure they could make it great.

[Lootee]

8v8 premades is the way to go.

Sure we lost a few games. But at least when you lose it's because the other team had better strategy, tactics, piloting, or gunnery than your team did. In other words we got outplayed. Those losses don't bother me, and we won plenty of matches too.

What really ticks me off is losing because team imbecile #1 overheat suicided, imbecile #2 rambo'd off to fight 4 atlases alone, moron #3 is afk farming, and full reetard #4 is teamkilling.

8v8 premades won't put up with any of that BS. Pull any of that and any decent leader will boot you out after the first match. That's why I prefer full premade teams.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 05 December 2012 - 11:22 AM.

[Bilbo]

PropagandaWar, on 05 December 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Sorry man. Your wrong. Us Premades had fun win or lose. Yeah many of us want tonnage/ and bv. Playing out tonned/outran in some matches was fun and helped us to find holes. Also I would like to note in the 3+ hours I played last night I dont recall dropping against the same group twice. Soooo. With that being said you may have had to do some pug on pugging and may have realized we have never been the problem. So leave us premades to ourselves so we can beat up each other.

Quoted for truth.

[PureNO]

Dukov Nook, on 05 December 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

You also post as a clanner, which makes so so 1337 ins1d3r that even the periphery hasn't really heard about you yet.

I quess you don't remember us stomping BWC out last night, ask marklee about it.

[bug3at3r]

PropagandaWar, on 05 December 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Sorry man. Your wrong. Us Premades had fun win or lose. Yeah many of us want tonnage/ and bv. Playing out tonned/outran in some matches was fun and helped us to find holes. Also I would like to note in the 3+ hours I played last night I dont recall dropping against the same group twice. Soooo. With that being said you may have had to do some pug on pugging and may have realized we have never been the problem. So leave us premades to ourselves so we can beat up each other.

This wasn't meant as a bash at all premades by any means, I just see a split forming between casual premades and those that play to win.

[Name115734]

I almost always run on public TS, beginning last night my win to loss was about 1 in 4. Am I upset, no way! I am glad to have to really step up my game and use much more teamwork to achieve a win. My whole outlook on this game has changed; for the better! Thank the gods I finally have good challenge EVERY game.

[Agent of Change]

Odins Fist, on 05 December 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

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LOLZ... I really wish there was a "Coliseum" or "Flavian Amphitheatre" type of Arena to see who has what..
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Coincidentally, I have been "called out" three times during matches from people that either didn't like me because of a forums post, or what happened in a previous round, and "ALL" three times I left their Mech in a pile of smoking newb..
One of those guys is now my friend in MWO, and he is a really decent person as well..

I personally don't hold grudges against forumites, however this is further going to prove my point, which also seems to be your point. If running against the pug players is so much easier than running in teams a player that considers himself as good as you are should feel as ashamed playing the lesser challenge as the people this thread is trying to shame.

If you aren't running in an 8 man, why not?
If you aren't going to run in an 8 man for any reason what gives you any place to say anything?

Rocks and glass houses is all i'm saying.

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No Remorse, on 05 December 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

I almost always run on public TS, beginning last night my win to loss was about 1 in 4. Am I upset, no way! I am glad to have to really step up my game and use much more teamwork to achieve a win. My whole outlook on this game has changed; for the better! Thank the gods I finally have good challenge EVERY game.

Right there with you man, all I can think about now is how to get my unit shaped up and better in the 8v8 arena.

Edited by Agent of Change, 05 December 2012 - 11:28 AM.

[197mmCannon]

Agent of Change, on 05 December 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

He thinks premades are just in it for easy wins and cbills and will come running back to 4 mans and pugging. Coincidentally while clearly expressing a desire for 8 man's to fail in his tone he also confirms that he is of the opinion that pug's prove easier opponents.

So you don't agree that a 8 man pug is an easier opponent?

[Valder]

Actually, dropping in 8 man is AWESOME now. The skill ceiling just rose quite a lot. There's way less cheese builds than I expected and ECM has brought the fight closer. I can't get enough and activated my premium time last night because of it!

I do feel bad for all the teams we rolled last night... a bunch of 8-0's and 8-1's. Tho a few got us... Taryys's team for one managed to kill us all and a couple other teams did over the course of the day. But for the most part it was roflstomping as usual.

[Dukov Nook]

PureNO, on 05 December 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

I quess you don't remember us stomping BWC out last night, ask marklee about it.

Even the sun shines on a dogs behind every once in a while.

[Agent of Change]

Daemian, on 05 December 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

So you don't agree that a 8 man pug is an easier opponent?

fully agree, just pointing out the hypocrisy of someone who likely doesn't (doesn't want to) run in a group accusing other people of dropping against the same people they do. Also it's why you will not see me outside of 8v8 unless I absolutely cannot get an 8 man together.

[Viper69]

Anyone who says or said was not fun and or easy to beat a pug with an 8 man premade is only lying. Everyone loved it, now we have to put up or shut up and fight equally organized opponents (potentially). I will admit I had fun rolling over pugs and hell I even felt bad about it, but I still did it. So we started doing coordinated drops with other units and our own to keep up practice. People who didnt do this were behind the 8 ball and got a sharp rude awakening Tuesday. I got my *** beat more times than I won Tuesday, because I have been lazy for months now. Once we get rolling and get our discipline back as will everyone else and hopefully once we have a better drop restriction/matching system we will see even more fun matches. As it stands now its a surprise every drop not knowing what you will be up against, almost like a real battle. The enemy is not going to tell you what he plans on fielding to counter you.

Improvise, adapt and overcome.