198 replies to this topic

[Nightcrept]

Sevaradan, on 05 December 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

it would def help and as an added benefit reduce your volume of QQ.

I would rather choke on my own vomit.

I've ran clans in various games and been in tons of others and I would prefer to play this game in peace and quiet. And it is ignorant to expect the normal casual player to join in to chat or a team environment. It's just not going to happen and building a game around the assumption that you can make players play as a team is not healthy to the game.

Wingbreaker, on 05 December 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

Found the problem.

Your not bright are you?

That is the point. It's like making your brawler ineffective and saying brawlers are the problem.

[Wingbreaker]

Nightcrept, on 05 December 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Your not bright are you?

That is the point. It's like making your brawler ineffective and saying brawlers are the problem.

My not bright, no.

Hey. Maybe you shouldn't boat.

[wanderer]

Wingbreaker, on 05 December 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

My not bright, no.

Hey. Maybe you shouldn't boat.

Unless it's lasers or ballistics or standard SRM- oh, wait. People boat all the time.

Now, when you find a 1.5T solution to ballistics, let me know. Or an anti-laser shield.

What, that'd be OP?

[Nightcrept]

Wingbreaker, on 05 December 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

My not bright, no.

Hey. Maybe you shouldn't boat.

I use a d-dc brawler so try again.

2xml
3xSRM6's
1xAC-20

I have however taken the time to try my lrm boat. And the lrm boat is unusable and my d-dc is god like.

i.e. unbalance.

If your just a lrm hater then go troll elsewhere. If your actually interested in making a good game with proper balance then bring up something relevant.

Edited by Nightcrept, 05 December 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[Codejack]

wanderer, on 05 December 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Unless it's lasers or ballistics or standard SRM- oh, wait. People boat all the time.

Now, when you find a 1.5T solution to ballistics, let me know. Or an anti-laser shield.

What, that'd be OP?

No! You can't have a counter to THEIR weapons! Only weapons that can kill them!

[Kaelin]

I'm sorry but the bottom line with ECM is this:

Stop LRM spamming and grow a pair.

[Sevaradan]

that build on a D-DC atlas has been amazing since long before they added ECM.

[Wingbreaker]

wanderer, on 05 December 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Unless it's lasers or ballistics or standard SRM- oh, wait. People boat all the time.

Now, when you find a 1.5T solution to ballistics, let me know. Or an anti-laser shield.

What, that'd be OP?

Or, you know, boating is highly detrimental to single players due to inflexibility.

Counters gonna counter. Haters gonna hate.

[Felix]

Kaelin, on 05 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

I'm sorry but the bottom line with ECM is this:

Stop LRM spamming and grow a pair.

Oh look another fool

wanderer, on 05 December 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Unless it's lasers or ballistics or standard SRM- oh, wait. People boat all the time.

Now, when you find a 1.5T solution to ballistics, let me know. Or an anti-laser shield.

What, that'd be OP?

Just gonna leave this here

[Codejack]

Kaelin, on 05 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

I'm sorry but the bottom line with ECM is this:

Stop LRM spamming and grow a pair.

Yea! Just magically make the game work better so that you can hit fast lights with direct fire weapons! What's wrong with you people?

/sarcasm

[Wingbreaker]

Nightcrept, on 05 December 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

I use a d-dc brawler so try again.

2xml
3xSRM6's
1xAC-20

I have however taken the time to try my lrm boat. And the lrm boat is unusable and my d-dc is god like.

i.e. unbalance.

If your just a lrm hater then go troll elsewhere. If your actually interested in making a good game with proper balance then bring up something relevant.

Looks like I can counter you by staying out of 270m. I guess that's OP.

[Sevaradan]

Codejack, on 05 December 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Yea! Just magically make the game work better so that you can hit fast lights with direct fire weapons! What's wrong with you people?

/sarcasm

even my units aussies have no problem hitting targets even with ballistics.

lag shield is way over rated.

and no I don't run a jenner, I run assaults exclusively

[Nightcrept]

Kaelin, on 05 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

I'm sorry but the bottom line with ECM is this:

Stop LRM spamming and grow a pair.

Quoted for stupidity.

Sevaradan, on 05 December 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

that build on a D-DC atlas has been amazing since long before they added ECM.

True but now oh lordy. I can literally flank a team almost at will. I no longer even have to add ams. Lrms where the only weapons system I had to work around. The only one that made me have to think about how to move to keep from getting hit while i worked in close to brawl.

Now I can just go anywhere and do anything. It's just not good. Don't get me wrong though being able to be invisible is great fun but not good for the game.

Wingbreaker, on 05 December 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Looks like I can counter you by staying out of 270m. I guess that's OP.

It is op. I am invisible. You cannot lock onto me with anything that can reliably target me and you cannot keep me out of 270 meters.

[Wingbreaker]

Nightcrept, on 05 December 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

I can literally flank a team almost at will.

Visual scanning and situational awareness are OP, nerf overwatch positions.

[wanderer]

Wingbreaker, on 05 December 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

Or, you know, boating is highly detrimental to single players due to inflexibility.

Counters gonna counter. Haters gonna hate.

And laserboats ain't gonna change a bit. Please, tell me how laserboating on such gems as the Jenner and Cicada has left them with gaping weak points easily exploited with something like ECM.

Or for that matter, rendered them incapable of firing. Streaks vs. ECM in TT = Streak becomes normal SRM launcher. In MWO, ECM vs. Streak = weapon disabled utterly.

Not that a 65 ton 'Mech with the equivalent of 2 SRM 6's isn't being hosed when ECM'd, but at least it's not rendered utterly useless.

And please, go take your average LRM carrier and show me how well you hit things with no lock-on whatsoever. Again, MWO put ECM into overkill mode- instead of merely shielding from Artemis/NARC and other missile boosters, it rendered a weapon designed specifically to be so "stupid" in it's guidance system unable to fire with any accuracy against a moving target. Not "more difficult". Unable.

Magic missile camo cloak is overkill.

[Nightcrept]

Wingbreaker, on 05 December 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

Or, you know, boating is highly detrimental to single players due to inflexibility.

Counters gonna counter. Haters gonna hate.

Yeah another poorly thought out comment. If you carry a LRM just one your wasting a slot. So lrms of all sorts in any role is useless.

You must either play in a pre planned team or drop other weapons to carry a tag.

Wingbreaker, on 05 December 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Visual scanning and situational awareness are OP, nerf overwatch positions.

You love making ridiculous comments don't you?

[Kaelin]

Nightcrept, on 05 December 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong though being able to be invisible is great fun but not good for the game.

Quoted for stupidity.

invisible

you show up just fine using the following;
thermal imaging.
Mk1 Eyeball.

<EDIT> oh, I'll agree completely with the SSRM oversight, they should still dumbfire.

Edited by Kaelin, 05 December 2012 - 06:21 PM.

[Zylo]

Teams that know how to focus direct fire weapons on the ECM mechs are the teams that gain the advantage and the win. Even pug teams can be directed to do this if someone on the team takes the time to say something like "Focus fire that Atlas DDC with the ECM".

ECM doesn't need to be countered when the enemy mech running it is destroyed by direct fire weapons as these weapons still function against a mech running ECM.

If the entire team runs missile boats then yes, ECM on the enemy team will really make that match difficult.

[Willem B Cameron]

wander has the right of it. The TT ECM is good, they just took it a bit too far and tried to balance out streak cats and lrm boats with it. Overbalancing the game, you could say.

That said, my gunnery skill as improved immensely since I can't lock on to anything.

[Epathus]

Kobold, on 05 December 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Unsupported assumption is unsupported.

If there was a problem with the functionality of missiles, that should have been addressed directly. Adding a piece of equipment that punishes lone wolves and completely neuters the missiles is not a "fix."

"Unsupported assumption is unsupported." Funny how your statement also applies to you...