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[Broad5ide]

I for one am done trying to teach you people basic math. I'm glad to see you go.

[Psikez]

Strelitzia, on 04 March 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

Just like how democracy is inefficient, just let whoever is in control do whatever they want.

This just in: video game development is now a democracy, voting on whether small lasers need a range buff at 11

[Tigerchen]

Eric darkstar Marr, on 04 March 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Its not P2W you whiny lot of children, in fact the cbill versions are much better as you get 2 uses per one in a match compared to a one time dump from MC.

Seriously stupid people make me sad and angry the vast ignorance is to damn high.

LoL... Just think out of the box for a second..... WHY they made the cbill Version better? So People can't cry its P2W...and the next time they change it to the MC Version and nobody complains about it.

Edited by Tigerchen, 04 March 2013 - 05:02 PM.

[AztecD]

NO

[Karr285]

you all seem to be forgetting that coolant flush wont be the only module... they are adding Airstrike (module) Uav (module)

so if you have only 3 module slots I cant get all 3 and you cannot or you will only get the 20% version and thats assuming there wont be "MC" version of each of them that are smaller ie Airstrike takes 2 modules where the MC version is 1 or some retardation.

[Sigifrid]

Quick note: while the MC consumables are more powerful, the CB ones can be used twice (if you have space), albeit for lesser effects. There are advantages to doing this (especially with airstrikes and the like...)

[Broad5ide]

Fate 6, on 04 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

CBill version is 2 uses because it's two separate modules. 1 use is 15% other use is 20%. It's worse.

read the post again, EACH C-BILL MODULE IS TWO USES

Edited by Broad5ide, 04 March 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[Bolide]

Not worried about coolant flush. Will be interesting to see how little it costs, as I tend to believe the only reason to spend my MC is for additional mech bays.

If a newb wants to have a coolant pod to save his butt from overheating once during a match, great, let him spend real money.

This is still a Beta, and I'm pleased with the changes we've seen so far this year. Wait and see.

[eblackthorn]

I dont think this is a good alternative, this would just ensure that EVERY match people would be calling in airstrikes and artillery used by everyone.... no thanks.

I would much rather have consumables.

Edited by eblackthorn, 04 March 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[KharnZor]

Johnny Morgan, on 04 March 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

just buy the cbill version, if they are not selling for real cash they will change them.

If they get the sales, it will stay.

personally I don' have a problem with it, if you want to spend real cash on a consumable go for it. Most people will go with the cbill version. You have access to the same gear, you just have to make less choices if you want to spend real money.

I agree that if they get the sales it'll stay but does that make it ok?

[FupDup]

Kunae, on 04 March 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Most of the players of this game do not want "WoT, now with Robots!"

If you enjoy that business model, so much, I suggest you go play it, and not pollute Mechwarrior with that tripe.

That's not what I meant. When I said that, I was under the assumption that you didn't mind WoT-style items (maybe even favored them) and my "So?" comment essentially meant that "I don't care what WoT does". It appears I misinterpreted your post.

I've actually never played WoT (because of the things I've heard about it). Some things are better off not being experienced.

Edited by FupDup, 04 March 2013 - 05:04 PM.

[Kurshuk]

Meh,

The fact is that the C-Bill version will require twice the slots of the MC version. That gives the MC version an advantage as there is no 35% cooling on 1 slot without paying for it. It may not give someone a win, but it does give advantage for cash. That's something I won't abide and emailed PGI to the same effect. They said early on they weren't doing this. Now they are, that's called lying.

The fact that this module may not be OP or may not give someone enough to straight up win doesn't matter. The facts are that there are now 2 tiers of consumable items. Those that can be purchased with cbills at a disadvantage and those that can be purchased with MC without such disadvantage. This caused me to leave WoT and a lot of other F2P games. It's the prinicpal that F2P should operate as a level playing ground similar to buying a real game (read as single-player with multiplayer). With this nonsense competition requires investment. I'm not that group and I don't like being at a disadvantage. So to me this is like PGI sending me an email asking me to kindly move along. This isn't the game I was looking for.

Kurshuk

[Lazydrones541]

Perhaps if they enable a global cooldown across all teammates using said artilery strikes. Not necessarily CF.

Teammate A uses Artillery strike. Team A cannot use Arty again for 5 minutes.

[WolvesX]

Sadly.

[Fate 6]

RiceyFighter, on 04 March 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

It is P2W because C-BIll version takes up 2 module slots while MC version takes up 1 module slot.

Example:

F2P: Coolant (1), Coolant (2), Airstrike (1), AirStrike (2)

P2W: Coolant (3), Airstrike (3), Module 1, Module 2

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This is what people are mad about. The model that this mechanic is completely over powered. PGI promised it will never turn into a P2W game, but it keeps towing the line little by little.

That, and those numbers were also based of 10 heat sinks, which is like the lowest possible. It only gets more stupid with more heat sinks.

[Vividos]

Josef Nader, on 04 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

How, praytell, is the C-Bill version better? How many times do you need to emergency cool in a match? How many times will you be able to take advantage of an Arty or Air Strike, especially in a game that only has one life per round. If my T3 Airstrike + T3 Arty wrecks half your team, and your T1 + T2 Arty only does half of what those two combined pull off, how is that -not- P2W?

1) How many times do you need to emergency cool in a match?
A) well, right now the answer is almost never. because i use things like momentum and positioning to my advantage. if you find yourself constantly wishing you had a coolant flush available to you then im afraid to tell you that you're a bad player. on top of that, even if this is implemented you will only be able to flush 1-2 times per match. and that's only if you're completely loaded with both real money to spend AND c-bills. which i highly doubt you, or anyone else for that matter, is going to do.

2) How many times will you be able to take advantage of an Arty or Air Strike, especially in a game that only has one life per round
A) once. same as everyone else. IF they had real money or c-bills to spend on it. which not everyone will, all of the time.

3) If my T3 Airstrike + T3 Arty wrecks half your team, and your T1 + T2 Arty only does half of what those two combined pull off, how is that -not- P2W?
A) well first off, it wont wreck half my team unless my team is full of complete morons in which case it would have been destroyed anyways and you just saved me wasted time. but honestly, that's just not going to happen.
and second, it's not P2W because you're not going to pay it.

[WerewolfX]

Eric darkstar Marr, on 04 March 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Its not P2W you whiny lot of children, in fact the cbill versions are much better as you get 2 uses per one in a match compared to a one time dump from MC.

Seriously stupid people make me sad and angry the vast ignorance is to damn high.

So when your on here "whining" about this in a month or two I get to call you "ignorant"?

[AMC Eagle]

Looks good.

[Gallowglas]

Remind me never, ever to develop a mass market game without first developing a punch-player-in-the-face-over-IP option. It's the only way I'd stay sane.

[Hekalite]

Vividos, on 04 March 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

dont care.
it's not game breaking.
and the c-bill version is better.

so really you have no point.





the proposed numbers say the c-bill version is better.
are you saying you want the MC version to be better?

Which is better is a matter of both opinion and cirumstance. Not to mention as others have pointed out if air strikes and other consumables follow a similar pattern the difference in slots quickly adds up.

What I want is for the MC version to be exactly the same as the c-bill version. Why would you want anything else?