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[WolvesX]

Vapor Trail, on 29 December 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

You do realize that liking your own posts leads to blindness and hairy palms... right?

I realize that the LIKE system needs a fix =)

[Sean von Steinike]

It might be a bit over powered but hardly game ruining, and no, I don't own any ECM mechs.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Honestly, missiles need to be set back to TT or near TT damage values and then ECM turned into a soft counter. Hard counter's don't belong in skill based games. It takes like what, 3 seconds, to lock onto a mech with LRMs if he isn't under the blanket of ECM? Well, with ECM, make that 6 seconds.

To reiterate. ECM is a hard counter. Hard counters don't belong in skill based games. Look at all successful shooters, none have hard counters.

[Martini Henrie]

I really don't have a problem with ECM, it could use tweaking, but problem no. Self tagging or having other TAG users on your team can come as a real shock to those ECM users, as can the proper use of long range weapons to blow out enemy mechs.

Yeah, it sucks if you brought a streakapult or an LRM boat without TAG, but that's the price you pay for not coordinating or building redundancy in.

As to what I would change? I would get rid of the hidden factor, just leave a red cross hair on the target without data. You could then adjust BAP to give it some more use for its tonnage.

I can cope with it as it is, a deal breaker it surely is not.

[Bigamo]

I will tell you guys one thing... The game is BAD. And most of the bad part is cause of ECM.


Oh yes, i am the proud owner of 3 centurions, and 2 of then have LRM equiped the other dont! Thats the one i have been using.

I love to see in the assault mode in the new night map when both teams just go for a base trade cause no team EVER detected the other.

And i love when i see a centurion alone in my map and get close to it to have 5 assault poping out from the ground in a magical way cause no one can detect then.

This game is just BAD and not even the MASSIVE PROMOTION that is being made (90% of the sites that i acess all around the globe have a MWO banner) will not made it suceed with those STUPID design decisions.

And the worst part is the vocal minory defending this crap.

[Vassago Rain]

Bigamo, on 29 December 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

I will tell you guys one thing... The game is BAD. And most of the bad part is cause of ECM.


Oh yes, i am the proud owner of 3 centurions, and 2 of then have LRM equiped the other dont! Thats the one i have been using.

I love to see in the assault mode in the new night map when both teams just go for a base trade cause no team EVER detected the other.

And i love when i see a centurion alone in my map and get close to it to have 5 assault poping out from the ground in a magical way cause no one can detect then.

This game is just BAD and not even the MASSIVE PROMOTION that is being made (90% of the sites that i acess all around the globe have a MWO banner) will not made it suceed with those STUPID design decisions.

And the worst part is the vocal minory defending this crap.

Wow, you can't use your LRMs all on their own to inflict almost twice the damage of its tube number! THIS IS TERRIBLE! So you either take them off, kill the ECM mechs, or put a TAG in your laser slots.

Problem solved.

[Bigamo]

Vassago Rain, on 29 December 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Wow, you can't use your LRMs all on their own to inflict almost twice the damage of its tube number! THIS IS TERRIBLE! So you either take them off, kill the ECM mechs, or put a TAG in your laser slots.

Problem solved.

i think you dont get the part where i say i am playing a centurion brawler at moment, with SRM (cause of ECM) And ECM still broke the game... i think i will even uninstal my AMS since i dont need it, just need to get close to the ECM guy and abuse his crap. And then i get out of his unbrella and almost instagib that catapult. lol

[Fate 6]

Jalak Bali, on 28 December 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

What's cute is that you thought without ECM, a PUG group would be more organized.

The only thing ECM does to a PUG group is making LRMs and Streaks, the easiest weapons in the game, useless. Virtually all complains about ECM are from people who used those a lot before. I'm pretty sure PGI could data mine that.

You realize the OP is someone who originally wanted ECM as it is right? And that he wasn't spamming LRMs/SSRMs?

There are a huge amount of base variants that have a single LRM10 or LRM15 on them. Assuming they were playable before, they sure do suck now.

Missile boats exist in the game and are supposed to *cough*Catapult is a mech*cough*. Whether or not they were balanced, introducing ECM as it is certainly is not the way to fix them.

Edited by Fate 6, 29 December 2012 - 11:21 AM.

[Mancu]

I think its pretty obvious that ECM in its current form is a skilless weapon and a crutch for those that don't want to learn tactics. In fact I would say that it is THE skilless weapon of choice. It requires no thought and has a disproportionitly large affect on the match. I can't see how anyone that wants a true skill based game can defend it.

[Ghogiel]

Mancu, on 29 December 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

I think its pretty obvious that ECM in its current form is a skilless weapon and a crutch for those that don't want to learn tactics. In fact I would say that it is THE skilless weapon of choice. It requires no thought and has a disproportionitly large affect on the match. I can't see how anyone that wants a true skill based game can defend it.

Or you could say it's pretty obvious that people who can't deal with ECM are skilless and don't want to learn tactics. L2P.

[Mancu]

Ghogiel, on 29 December 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Or you could say it's pretty obvious that people who can't deal with ECM are skilless and don't want to learn tactics. L2P.

You could, if you liked being wrong.

[Comocazy]

I am a light mech player. I enjoy the gameplay style of being able to run around the bigs and do my damage in short bursts then run away. This was impossible before the ecm and now with it i find that I can almost go head to head against most mechs.

I wouldn't say that the ecm is overpowered, it was just implemented without being given sufficient counter-measures...other than having an ecm on your own team. I would love to see a countermeasure made available to all mechs, not ecm's for all. the counter could be a 3-4 slot 2-3 ton piece of equipment, that counters the ecm within 150m or so. thus negating the worst of the ecm affects in my opinion but still allowing for the intended bonuses.

[Bigamo]

well, i just gave the game a last chance... and guess what? another match ruined by ECM.

Its funny why my 1.5 ton AMS dont make the same that this 1.5 ton ECM?


Well, just uninstaling this crap.

Dot see you around guys, bye!

Edited by Bigamo, 29 December 2012 - 11:31 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Mancu, on 29 December 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

You could, if you liked being wrong.

or not a whining sore loser

[Chromoid]

"ECM waaah."

Jenners are still best light mech.

"LRM waaah."

ECM, cover, and AMS (yeah, that thing they introduced early on in Closed Beta still works!) all make LRMs tough to use.

"Game mechanics waaah."

The game is in its infancy. Cut them some slack.

The Devs get it by now, people. If they don't, then they never will. This game did just get into Open Beta roughly two months ago. For the amount of time and resources these people have available, I'd say they've given us a pretty doggone good game.

There's a line between constructive criticism and whining and you, gentlemen, seem to have no clue where it is. A good, solid post calmly stating the pros and cons of a certain aspect of the game (say, ECM) will be welcomed and appreciated by those making the game, but a thread like this is just a waste of time that only fellow-whiners are going to read.

Seriously people. Let's act like big boys and girls here and HELP the Devs instead of complaining like 12 year olds whenever your toes get stepped on.

After all, these ARE big stompy internet roberts. Toes tend to get trampled a lot.

[Strucker]

Lag shield + 2-4 grouped up ECM Ravens / Commandos = unfair gameplay

ECM is unbalanced, I'm sure PGI realizes this with its current implementation, its just the holidays so we can't really expect much of a response or fix until the new year, sucks but thats the way it is.

I've run into several matches where its a bunch of grouped up ECM mechs on me, can't do anything about it cause of lagshield + no collision so I just run out of bounds and kill myself, I'm sorry if I don't want to play in a game where it becomes lame blobbing and in my view an exploit of the mechanics.

[DocBach]

Ghogiel, on 29 December 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Or you could say it's pretty obvious that people who can't deal with ECM are skilless and don't want to learn tactics. L2P.

What ECM tactics are there? Group up around an ECM Atlas and walk up the center of the map and brawl? Or load up tons of ECM Ravens and exploit the poor netcode to dance around 'Mechs who have no chance of hitting you except for fleeting bursts of lasers as they try to pinpoint where you actually are by saturating the area surrounding you with laser blasts hoping they might nick you by chance?

[PiemasterXL]

Bigamo, on 29 December 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

well, i just gave the game a last chance... and guess what? another match ruined by ECM.

Its funny why my 1.5 ton AMS dont make the same that this 1.5 ton ECM?


Well, just uninstaling this crap.

Dot see you around guys, bye!

[Mancu]

Ghogiel, on 29 December 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

or not a whining sore loser

Ooooooh, lets trot out some straw men... Really, that's all you've got.

I love how people like you resort to personal attacks and generalisations since you can't defend the equipment itself.

For your information I win far more matches than I lose. I run about 50/50 soloing in pugs and win about 2/3 of the matches I run in a group. Further, I do NOT play missile boats nor did I in the past. I have experimented with LRMs but don't find them terribly fun. While I do have a A1 Cat with SRM6s and SSRM2s it is my only missile mech of the 13 or 14 I currently own. I play brawlers and the occasional sniper and I win with them. So sorry, you'll need to trot out another tired straw man now.

[Ghogiel]

Mancu, on 29 December 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Ooooooh, lets trot out some straw men... Really, that's all you've got.

I love how people like you resort to personal attacks and generalisations since you can't defend the equipment itself.

It's not a strawman. You ARE QQing on the forums about ECM.